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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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DT_ELP_Yes ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: December 10 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 33 |
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My dad and I refuse to go to any concert without Steve because he is my dads favorite guitarist and one of my influences
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protos ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 11 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 90 |
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Cool (as my daughter would say)
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"Remember Protos as the best progressive rock act since England (Garden Shed, 1977)" (Marquee Magazine, November 1991)
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Chus ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 16 2006 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 1991 |
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WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T KNOW THEM!!!!!! HUH??!!!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Just kidding, eh ![]() |
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Jesus Gabriel
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Calm, I've already learned that. I'm still discovering Genesis' albums (I'm almost done, only missing the last one and we can't dance) and I have yet to discover live Genesis or dvd genesis... I really didn't know.... ![]() Edited by The T - December 11 2006 at 15:30 |
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protos ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 11 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 90 |
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What do you mean "who the hell are those two?". Darryl Stuermer and Chester Thompson played constantly with Genesis from the time Steve Hackett left (1977) through to the early 1990s. I saw them at Knebworth in 1978 when they were still playing pieces like 'Cinema Show' (in full) and 'One for the Vine'. If anyone can play the 'old' Genesis numbers, it is Stuermer and Thompson. To many people they are more Genesis than Anthony Phillips (albeit only as live performers, rather than writers).
The cynicism in this thread is wonderful :). Is there nobody here who interprets the Genesis reunion as part of the ongoing recovery of prog amongst the youth of today. Just think of the wonderful CD/DVD 'Into the Flesh' (Roger Walters). Last summer he played *all* of Dark Side of the Moon as part of the gig in Hyde Park (London). If we get something like that from Genesis - a 45-minute set from the 1973-1978 period, there are going to be a lot of happy hippies out there, as well as new audience for the back catalogue. If they don't - we can still pack the Albert Hall to see The Musical Box.
Best wishes
Rory
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"Remember Protos as the best progressive rock act since England (Garden Shed, 1977)" (Marquee Magazine, November 1991)
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Frasse ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 22 2004 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 758 |
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No, you didn't, It's good to see that not all Prog-fans are so close-minded (Hehe, hopefully I get some respones in using that word.
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I almost had them, but they proved to be too expensive for me when the ticket company wanted 30 Euro for sending the tickets to me and I had to count for travel and accomodation too.
I will probably see The Musical Box in Gothenburg this spring instead, and wait hopefully for a 5-man reunion. Edited by Frasse - December 11 2006 at 14:37 |
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El Morula ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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Thanks !!. Yeah man !!, you are right. There is no need to start a bashing poll for Gabriel.
You know?, I started listning to prog at the age of 15, 17 years ago. Before that I would listen to 80's pop, one of the best decades for the genre. I heard Genesis after geting "In the air tonight" and later Invisible touch (album). My taste for Prog grew with that Genesis of the 80's. And I still enjoy it sometimes, many times as much as I enjoy The musical box. That's why I find so unffair all these bashing polls to Collins.
Has anybody who dislike Collins ever heard to Abacab (Live) carefully?. Listen to the energy and passion uin the instrumental !!. It still has that unique touch of joy Genesis developed in plain 73. It may not sound as odd and "progressive" (Where progressiveness gets quite subjective) but is original within their catalogue. Doen's anybody appreciate the wide variety of styles and sounds Gensis created throughout their carrer?....Hey !!, look at Yes who seemed to stick with the same pop style of Going for the one, for the next 15 years.
Listen to the instrumental in Fading lights (Live). Same thing. So inspired and so passionate, with those peak moments of pure energy and passion, and conviction. Nobody consider those aspects important?. It is very very easy to find complex, very "progressive" rock, odd, strange, unaccesible. I mean, as progressive as it gets. It is easy to find that one, and it won't be hard at all to find out most of it has no soul at all. To find out the instrumentals have no purpose or justification, that it never makes you feel excited. Bottom line, cheesy prog. Call 80's Genesis whatever you like; "POP-prog", "rock-pop" etc. But it is by no means bad music. There are more than a few forgetable songs in the 80's . But there is a good number of fantastic, inspired, made with full conviction and joy too. That !!!, is the most difficult thing to do in prog, pop, rap, metal, etc. To make music with true passion, music that touches your heart and makes you want to cry. That's also why I hate watching people bash Pop just like a sport. I repeat, Prog is not the only interesting genre in the world.
I find my self listening to 60's oldies for longer periods than I do with prog. With prog, when my player finds "Lark's toungues in aspic" with that 6 minutes of ultra boring intro, I think of nothing but listening to The four tops with their magical touch of freshness.
I went to far this time I guess.
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Passionist ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 14 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 1119 |
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I have the tickets, nah nah nah
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Angplags ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: November 25 2006 Status: Offline Points: 51 |
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Blame Gabriel for being a "selfish artist"?
So now he can't do what he wants, he has to bow to us? I sure am disappointed, but I'm not about to shake my little fist at Peter Gabriel and berate him for exercising some of his basic human rights. You are more than entitled to dislike PG's post Genesis music, just as he is entitled to do what he wants. What I do find nauseating about the tour is that fact it's happening at all, for a miriad of reasons. |
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There are 10 types of people in this world - those who understand binary form, and those who don't.
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fuxi ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2463 |
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I enjoyed your detailed defense of Phil's drumming in that other thread, but there's no need to start playing a new blame game, this time aimed at Gabriel. There's a life OUTSIDE prog, you know. Albums such as PG III or PG IV may be just 'rock', or even 'pop' or whatever you want to call them, but they're almost as fascinating as anything Gabriel ever did with Genesis. |
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El Morula ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: November 08 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 7 |
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Instead of blaming Genesis for choosing a 3 members reunion, you should blame Gabriel for being such a selfish artist. What does he have to lose anyway?. You call him the progressive soul of Genesis?. He was the first one to quit the genre !!!!. He doesn't want to sing The Lamb again because he doesn't care about it. Collins himself said he would like to be behind the drums and see Gabriel do the singing in a full The lamb show. Isn't that a prog spirit?. Gabriel instead is about to release an album with 5 out of 9 songs with mild, slow, almost sleepy songs as in UP. Some 3 outdated pop songs as The Barry William show. Oh but noooo. "Mr. Collins how dare you making a tour with a 3 musicians lineup???".
Blame Collins for singing pop in a Genesis tack?. Blame Gabriel for never playing or composing a single prog note in the 70s, !!!!.
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JohnGargo ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: October 03 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 38 |
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There are a lot of ignorant, yet predictable, posts in this thread... a lot of misled anger and hatred to Mr. Collins, who's become such a cliched target that I'm surprised many people here still resort to the same tired statements we've heard countless times. I remain unimpressed. First, Collins/Banks/Rutherford initially REQUESTED that Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett join them for the tour... that was the original intent, and by all accounts they were ready to tour in that incantation but Gabriel pulled out at the last minute because of his schedule. The band has said that further down the line (two years, or knowing Gabriel's schedule, Banks amusingly joked ten years, from now), there WILL be a Gabriel-Hackett reunion.
In fact, the original plan was to do The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway in its entirety... you may remember some rumors about the Musical Box not being able to play that because Genesis were going to perform it. However, with Gabriel delaying the plan, that idea has been put on the backburner... it still might happen, indeed from all accounts it WILL happen, but further along down the line.
So what do the three remaining band members do? Well they want to tour, and so they're going to tour. During the press release interview for the tour, they specifically said that they will include material from ALL eras of the band's history, and yes that includes some Gabriel-era stuff and most likely the instrumental stuff from Wind and Wuthering and A Trick of the Tail, which was explicitly referenced. However, the band did say that there will be an emphasis on the material from the 3 man line-up, and why not? If we're going to get a Gabriel tour in the future, they won't be playing and of those songs, so I see absolutely no problem with then focusing on the late-70s, 80s, 90s stuff (no Calling All Stations). So instead of getting angry at Gabriel for pulling out, you fellas rely on that tired old cliche of "oh, it's pop Genesis, they're only doing it for the $$$." First off, that concept goes right down the drain when you see what kind of a tour the band are engaged in... 20 dates in Europe and then 20 dates in the US. This is not a full-blown tour, it is, as Collins himself put it, a "selection of dates." If it was for money, they would play double the dates and multiple-night stints in the big arenas, but this is not happening.
I urge everyone to go to http://www.genesis-music.com/ and check out the video of the press release... this is all covered there. This tour isn't for money, and the Gabriel tour WILL happen sometime in the future, if Gabriel decides it should happen. You shouldn't really be angry at anybody for this, but Gabriel certainly takes more of the blame for this current tour than Collins, Banks or Rutherford have.
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Golden_void ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 07 2006 Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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I think we'd all like to see a Gabriel-Genesis reunion, but can Collins keep his Ego in check for long enough just to play the drums? It seems unlikey. Unless the others have given him a lobotmy for free, allowing the great one to return and the nasty liitle man to remain behind his tubs! Hehe
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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Good point.
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mattmacneil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 01 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 113 |
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It's actually the other way around, when Gabriel said that he wasn't interested, Hackett declined as well. He said he's not going to reunite with the band unless Gabriel's there. |
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Dieu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 26 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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I read last year a chat session with Peter Gabriel, where he spoke about is last tour rehearsal. Apparently, the tought about making supper's ready, but it was too demanding for the musicians.
I got to find that "interview". If i do so, i'll quote it. Dieu |
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Neil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 04 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
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Better musicians than the other three these days. ![]() |
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When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory.
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Frasse ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 22 2004 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 758 |
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Session musicians that played with Genesis live. When Gabriel left and Collins stepped out, Bill Bruford helped out during their 1976 tour and after that and onwards Chester played the drums.
Darryl Suermer have played with them since Hackett left.
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rupert ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 610 |
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...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock !
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