More Genesis....
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Topic: More Genesis....
Posted By: Trav67
Subject: More Genesis....
Date Posted: November 24 2006 at 19:29
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I know most of you are probably getting tired of the "Genesis Reunion" forums. But I am a little confused at the moment. I just read a tiny little news article in the Nov. issue of Classic Rock magazine.
The article reads as follows:
"According to the Sunday Mirror, former Genesis vocalist Peter Gabriel has decided to sit out a "money-spinning" reunion tour with the band.
Gabriel's schedule is booked until 2008, but vocalist/drummer Phil Collins, guitarist Steve Hackett, bassist Mike Rutherford and keyboard player Tony Banks want to get things moving by next summer. Phil Collins tells Classic Rock more next issue"
Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Genesis were going out as a threesome and bringing in someone else to do the guitar work?
Am I missing something here?
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Posted By: Gyllir
Date Posted: November 24 2006 at 19:55
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That's why print media is going the way of the horse and buggy. It's slow. The Nov issue deadline was probably before the latest announcement from Genesis. No Hackett; I'm not the slightest bit interested. I would prefer Gabriel too but with Steve I'd see them if I could. I had a nightmare where I was at a Genesis reunion concert and they opened with Sussudio.  It would be cool if when and if they played The Knife, Ant came out for that. I suppose that would only be the London show though. |
Posted By: Trav67
Date Posted: November 24 2006 at 21:10
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[QUOTE=Gyllir] I had a nightmare where I was at a Genesis reunion concert and they opened with Sussudio.  |
Posted By: Pietro
Date Posted: November 24 2006 at 21:15
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I dont think that Peter Gabriel will join if Steve Hackett dosnt join! ------------- Once a man, like the sea I raged, once a woman, like the Earth I gave, But there is in fact more earth than sea. GENESIS RULES! |
Posted By: aprusso
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 12:40
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In 1982 in Italy they almost kicked them out of the stage for playing "who dunnit" or "keep it dark". Until they HAD TO play Supper's ready. Can you imagine what would happen at the Rome concert at the Colosseum? OK; here's the deal. I live in Barcelona; they are not coming to Spain and anyway the Rome concert will be fantastic as far as stage and audience are concerned (there were 800,000 people for Paul Macca three years ago). So I'm buying a holiday for my family, three plane tickets and hotels. I'm going to camp somewhere on the asphalt from morning to night, with 35 degrees, risking divorce. And then they come out and start their concert with Mama, and followed by Land of Confusion... man, THAT'S a nightmare!
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Posted By: YYZed
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 13:31
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Ewww. Old men who need money.
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Posted By: Angplags
Date Posted: November 25 2006 at 17:20
| I really don't see how a Genesis reunion could work with Gabriel - simply because that horrible poison dwarf Collins would be threatening to emerge from behind the drumkit in all his tracksuit bottomed, sweat band clad glory at any time. I would love to see a Genesis reunion where Collins isn't actually there at all. I mean, surely he's to busy scoring trite power ballads for Disney films? |
Posted By: Pietro
Date Posted: November 26 2006 at 17:54
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lol. thats funny, and true at the same time! ------------- Once a man, like the sea I raged, once a woman, like the Earth I gave, But there is in fact more earth than sea. GENESIS RULES! |
Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: November 27 2006 at 12:14
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latest I've read in an advertise was:
Phil Collins / Mike Rutherford / Tony Banks / Darryl Stuermer / Chester Thompson...
this we had in 1991 before and I guess the songs they'll play will rather cover the period from the yellow "Genesis"-Album to "We can't dance" again, though... surprises may hopefully not be excluded. ------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: November 27 2006 at 13:50
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I somewhat enjoy the easy-listening Collins era Genesis ------------- 
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: November 27 2006 at 15:48
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OMG! The reunion is specific to making money. With the listed line-up, what music do you think they'll play to draw the biggest crowds, thus make the most money? I highly doubt "Harold the Barrel" will be in the setlist. I won't be attending this charade of a show. ------------- 
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Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: November 27 2006 at 18:41
It can be worst... Maybe they will open with TWO HEARTS... ------------- ... E N E L B U N K E R... |
Trav67 wrote:Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 27 2006 at 19:46
Who the hell are those two??
Anyway, I think they would be better off singing Collins' solo pop-hits... at least as pop-hits go, they are better than Genesis' post-abacab.
Or they should just open an bank account where fans can contribute so the three venerable men can pay their energy bills...
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 28 2006 at 05:21
Following one Google search on 'Genesis re-union 2007' I even saw one ticket agency using an 'up to date' picture of Banks, Collins, GABRIEL, HACKETT, & Rutherord to promote this great event. Funnily enough I was listening to the BBC World Servive this morning - had to be up really early - and there was a report about politicians who never live up to the expectations laid down by their predecessors. Numerous US presidents were mentioned as well as Thatcher and John Major. The reported then said "I'm in Helsinki, and there are posters for a Genesis concert everywhere I look. Now, one could say that Phil Collins was never able to match up to his predecessor Peter Gabriel. Another good example" To which the studio presenter replied, "Of course another way of looking at it, is that Genesis were terrible which ever way you slice it" You cant get away from the anti prog league. Even at 4.30 am on BBC radio...  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 11:49
------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 11:59
Session musicians that played with Genesis live. When Gabriel left and Collins stepped out, Bill Bruford helped out during their 1976 tour and after that and onwards Chester played the drums.
Darryl Suermer have played with them since Hackett left.
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Posted By: Neil
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 12:03
Better musicians than the other three these days.  ------------- When people get lost in thought it's often because it's unfamiliar territory. |
Posted By: Dieu
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 12:57
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I read last year a chat session with Peter Gabriel, where he spoke about is last tour rehearsal. Apparently, the tought about making supper's ready, but it was too demanding for the musicians.
I got to find that "interview". If i do so, i'll quote it. Dieu |
Posted By: mattmacneil
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 16:07
It's actually the other way around, when Gabriel said that he wasn't interested, Hackett declined as well. He said he's not going to reunite with the band unless Gabriel's there. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/mattmacneil/?chartstyle=red"> 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 01 2006 at 21:45
Good point. -------------
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Posted By: Golden_void
Date Posted: December 07 2006 at 09:38
| I think we'd all like to see a Gabriel-Genesis reunion, but can Collins keep his Ego in check for long enough just to play the drums? It seems unlikey. Unless the others have given him a lobotmy for free, allowing the great one to return and the nasty liitle man to remain behind his tubs! Hehe |
Posted By: JohnGargo
Date Posted: December 07 2006 at 13:03
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There are a lot of ignorant, yet predictable, posts in this thread... a lot of misled anger and hatred to Mr. Collins, who's become such a cliched target that I'm surprised many people here still resort to the same tired statements we've heard countless times. I remain unimpressed. First, Collins/Banks/Rutherford initially REQUESTED that Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett join them for the tour... that was the original intent, and by all accounts they were ready to tour in that incantation but Gabriel pulled out at the last minute because of his schedule. The band has said that further down the line (two years, or knowing Gabriel's schedule, Banks amusingly joked ten years, from now), there WILL be a Gabriel-Hackett reunion.
In fact, the original plan was to do The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway in its entirety... you may remember some rumors about the Musical Box not being able to play that because Genesis were going to perform it. However, with Gabriel delaying the plan, that idea has been put on the backburner... it still might happen, indeed from all accounts it WILL happen, but further along down the line.
So what do the three remaining band members do? Well they want to tour, and so they're going to tour. During the press release interview for the tour, they specifically said that they will include material from ALL eras of the band's history, and yes that includes some Gabriel-era stuff and most likely the instrumental stuff from Wind and Wuthering and A Trick of the Tail, which was explicitly referenced. However, the band did say that there will be an emphasis on the material from the 3 man line-up, and why not? If we're going to get a Gabriel tour in the future, they won't be playing and of those songs, so I see absolutely no problem with then focusing on the late-70s, 80s, 90s stuff (no Calling All Stations). So instead of getting angry at Gabriel for pulling out, you fellas rely on that tired old cliche of "oh, it's pop Genesis, they're only doing it for the $$$." First off, that concept goes right down the drain when you see what kind of a tour the band are engaged in... 20 dates in Europe and then 20 dates in the US. This is not a full-blown tour, it is, as Collins himself put it, a "selection of dates." If it was for money, they would play double the dates and multiple-night stints in the big arenas, but this is not happening.
I urge everyone to go to http://www.genesis-music.com/ - http://www.genesis-music.com/ and check out the video of the press release... this is all covered there. This tour isn't for money, and the Gabriel tour WILL happen sometime in the future, if Gabriel decides it should happen. You shouldn't really be angry at anybody for this, but Gabriel certainly takes more of the blame for this current tour than Collins, Banks or Rutherford have.
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Posted By: El Morula
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 03:53
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Instead of blaming Genesis for choosing a 3 members reunion, you should blame Gabriel for being such a selfish artist. What does he have to lose anyway?. You call him the progressive soul of Genesis?. He was the first one to quit the genre !!!!. He doesn't want to sing The Lamb again because he doesn't care about it. Collins himself said he would like to be behind the drums and see Gabriel do the singing in a full The lamb show. Isn't that a prog spirit?. Gabriel instead is about to release an album with 5 out of 9 songs with mild, slow, almost sleepy songs as in UP. Some 3 outdated pop songs as The Barry William show. Oh but noooo. "Mr. Collins how dare you making a tour with a 3 musicians lineup???".
Blame Collins for singing pop in a Genesis tack?. Blame Gabriel for never playing or composing a single prog note in the 70s, !!!!.
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 04:26
I enjoyed your detailed defense of Phil's drumming in that other thread, but there's no need to start playing a new blame game, this time aimed at Gabriel. There's a life OUTSIDE prog, you know. Albums such as PG III or PG IV may be just 'rock', or even 'pop' or whatever you want to call them, but they're almost as fascinating as anything Gabriel ever did with Genesis. |
Posted By: Angplags
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 07:04
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Blame Gabriel for being a "selfish artist"? So now he can't do what he wants, he has to bow to us? I sure am disappointed, but I'm not about to shake my little fist at Peter Gabriel and berate him for exercising some of his basic human rights. You are more than entitled to dislike PG's post Genesis music, just as he is entitled to do what he wants. What I do find nauseating about the tour is that fact it's happening at all, for a miriad of reasons. ------------- There are 10 types of people in this world - those who understand binary form, and those who don't. 
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 13:08
| I have the tickets, nah nah nah |
Posted By: El Morula
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 14:15
Thanks !!. Yeah man !!, you are right. There is no need to start a bashing poll for Gabriel.
You know?, I started listning to prog at the age of 15, 17 years ago. Before that I would listen to 80's pop, one of the best decades for the genre. I heard Genesis after geting "In the air tonight" and later Invisible touch (album). My taste for Prog grew with that Genesis of the 80's. And I still enjoy it sometimes, many times as much as I enjoy The musical box. That's why I find so unffair all these bashing polls to Collins.
Has anybody who dislike Collins ever heard to Abacab (Live) carefully?. Listen to the energy and passion uin the instrumental !!. It still has that unique touch of joy Genesis developed in plain 73. It may not sound as odd and "progressive" (Where progressiveness gets quite subjective) but is original within their catalogue. Doen's anybody appreciate the wide variety of styles and sounds Gensis created throughout their carrer?....Hey !!, look at Yes who seemed to stick with the same pop style of Going for the one, for the next 15 years.
Listen to the instrumental in Fading lights (Live). Same thing. So inspired and so passionate, with those peak moments of pure energy and passion, and conviction. Nobody consider those aspects important?. It is very very easy to find complex, very "progressive" rock, odd, strange, unaccesible. I mean, as progressive as it gets. It is easy to find that one, and it won't be hard at all to find out most of it has no soul at all. To find out the instrumentals have no purpose or justification, that it never makes you feel excited. Bottom line, cheesy prog. Call 80's Genesis whatever you like; "POP-prog", "rock-pop" etc. But it is by no means bad music. There are more than a few forgetable songs in the 80's . But there is a good number of fantastic, inspired, made with full conviction and joy too. That !!!, is the most difficult thing to do in prog, pop, rap, metal, etc. To make music with true passion, music that touches your heart and makes you want to cry. That's also why I hate watching people bash Pop just like a sport. I repeat, Prog is not the only interesting genre in the world.
I find my self listening to 60's oldies for longer periods than I do with prog. With prog, when my player finds "Lark's toungues in aspic" with that 6 minutes of ultra boring intro, I think of nothing but listening to The four tops with their magical touch of freshness.
I went to far this time I guess.
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Posted By: Frasse
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 14:37
No, you didn't, It's good to see that not all Prog-fans are so close-minded (Hehe, hopefully I get some respones in using that word.
 To provoce I think it's called)
I almost had them, but they proved to be too expensive for me when the ticket company wanted 30 Euro for sending the tickets to me and I had to count for travel and accomodation too.
I will probably see The Musical Box in Gothenburg this spring instead, and wait hopefully for a 5-man reunion.
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Posted By: protos
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 15:22
What do you mean "who the hell are those two?". Darryl Stuermer and Chester Thompson played constantly with Genesis from the time Steve Hackett left (1977) through to the early 1990s. I saw them at Knebworth in 1978 when they were still playing pieces like 'Cinema Show' (in full) and 'One for the Vine'. If anyone can play the 'old' Genesis numbers, it is Stuermer and Thompson. To many people they are more Genesis than Anthony Phillips (albeit only as live performers, rather than writers).
The cynicism in this thread is wonderful :). Is there nobody here who interprets the Genesis reunion as part of the ongoing recovery of prog amongst the youth of today. Just think of the wonderful CD/DVD 'Into the Flesh' (Roger Walters). Last summer he played *all* of Dark Side of the Moon as part of the gig in Hyde Park (London). If we get something like that from Genesis - a 45-minute set from the 1973-1978 period, there are going to be a lot of happy hippies out there, as well as new audience for the back catalogue. If they don't - we can still pack the Albert Hall to see The Musical Box.
Best wishes
Rory
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 15:30
Calm, I've already learned that. I'm still discovering Genesis' albums (I'm almost done, only missing the last one and we can't dance) and I have yet to discover live Genesis or dvd genesis... I really didn't know....  -------------
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Posted By: Chus
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 16:26
WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T KNOW THEM!!!!!! HUH??!!!!! 
Just kidding, eh ------------- Jesus Gabriel |
Posted By: protos
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 17:37
Cool (as my daughter would say) ------------- "Remember Protos as the best progressive rock act since England (Garden Shed, 1977)" (Marquee Magazine, November 1991) |
Posted By: DT_ELP_Yes
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 20:02
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My dad and I refuse to go to any concert without Steve because he is my dads favorite guitarist and one of my influences ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/one_last_breath/?chartstyle=basic10"> 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 11 2006 at 20:24
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Posted By: rupert
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 12:13
I don't believe ths is a question of Collins' ego a t all. far as I know he'd prefeered it to play the drums only and let PG sing, bt PG doesn't participate now, so perhaps later. Hoho ------------- ...I'm a musician/singer/songwriter, visit me on www.reverbnation.com/rupertlenz and there you can choose from 125 recordings you can listen to ( for free ) if you're not limited to prog-rock ! |
Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 17:39
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Based on all I've seen and read, Hackett doesn't feel welcome in the band, probably due to personality clashes with Banks. And Gabriel doesn't feel comfortable retracing his steps and repeating what he did in his younger days, no matter how much fans would love to see him with the group. Collins and Rutherford are not causing any problems in all of this. Collins is the most agreeable and flexible person in the band (and always has been). He doesn't deserve the venom that false Genesis "fans" throw at him.
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Posted By: Pietro
Date Posted: January 04 2007 at 18:45
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Yeah Thats why Genesis went downhill 10 years after Peter Left! ------------- Once a man, like the sea I raged, once a woman, like the Earth I gave, But there is in fact more earth than sea. GENESIS RULES! |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: January 05 2007 at 04:17
You say earlier that you learned this already, so sorry if I am redundant: Stuermer is the guitarist who played with Genesis on tour after Hackett left (played with them a long time) and Thompson has been the second drummer on Genesis since at least the recording of 'Seconds Out' (after Bruford left as second drummer to form UK). While even Rutherford could play as good or better than Stuermer, Thompson on drums again could be a positive influence for them to consider playing some mid-1970s Genesis because that is when he played for them. Also, Thompson played Gabriel-era tunes with Hackett on Hackett's Tokyo Tapes (1996/1999). So, anything's possible! Thompson can come back, but Stuermer is not necessary.... |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: January 05 2007 at 11:55
Seems to me Mr. Banks is the problem here. Gabriel's excuse seems lame, IMO. If it was the true excuse, I, as a fan, feel put out. It makes me wonder...if Banks is again the problem but Gabriel doesn't voice it. -------------
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Posted By: TheDrake
Date Posted: January 05 2007 at 14:23
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Wanna see Gabriel crawl back into his coccoon again? Seriously? That was more than 30 years ago...come on guys... Let it be, Pete! This Collins-hatred, has it appeared recently? After all, Phil is one of pop's finest singer ever... Besides, I fear deep water more than pop...:) |
Posted By: polyrythmic
Date Posted: January 05 2007 at 17:11
| I can never see Peter Gabriel rejoining Genesis, but I would not be surprised if at some point Steve rejoined even if just to record a one off song. |
Posted By: Pietro
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 18:14
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To be honest with you, I now believe that Peter Gabriel did much better when he left Genesis for his solo career! People know him for his solo career and it also inspired him to create the charitable organization "Whitness." So why would he rejoin Genesis anyways? ------------- Once a man, like the sea I raged, once a woman, like the Earth I gave, But there is in fact more earth than sea. GENESIS RULES! |
Posted By: old_rain
Date Posted: January 06 2007 at 20:52
| Anyone smell careers going down the tubes , and money. Rather than giving the fans a real re-union. After all, Collins has to pay for another divorce settlement. |
Posted By: Pietro
Date Posted: January 08 2007 at 21:27
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Yeah well they might as well go out with a bang! ------------- Once a man, like the sea I raged, once a woman, like the Earth I gave, But there is in fact more earth than sea. GENESIS RULES! |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 04:18
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The first and last word from me on the subject - no PG or SH, no show. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Flip_Stone
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 18:01
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Very simply put, Peter Gabriel has continued to grow, expand, and move away from his role as singer of Genesis. He's very busy and has lots of interests. I'm sure we can all relate to no longer enjoying things we did when we were younger. If you are young, then think of no longer enjoying things as a kid, baby, etc. It shouldn't be that hard to understand him. He probably also doesn't think a Genesis show in the present day would be on the same level (and have the same atmosphere) as in the glory days.
Do you think it would make sense for him to be on stage and force his way through it if he wasn't really interested in it, just because fans demand it?
I'd love to see a true reunion (with him and Hackett) just as much as anyone else, but we really need to come down to reality, and move on. There's no point bashing our heads against a brick wall. That wall isn't going to move...
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 18:16
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There is a lot of venom and spite in this thread. Just thought I'd state that.
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Posted By: Fragile
Date Posted: January 09 2007 at 20:27
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If Gabriel wanted this he would do it but I suspect he wants Steve Hackett there.What you have to realise is that many uncalled comments from the remaining three caused harm.And the remaining three produced pop Genesis.Enough said.
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Posted By: Pietro
Date Posted: January 10 2007 at 19:09
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The main point is, all of them should move on with their life like PG did, phil collins retired anyway. Phil will become the next Cher! ------------- Once a man, like the sea I raged, once a woman, like the Earth I gave, But there is in fact more earth than sea. GENESIS RULES! |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 11:30
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I think there should be a seance during which John Bonham is brought back from the dead and then have a blowout Led Zeppelin reunion tour of the world.
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Posted By: Firepuck
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 11:36
I had tickets to see Led Zeppelin in Montreal and Bonham died days before the show. ------------- Kryten : "'Pub'? Ah yes, A meeting place where humans attempt to achieve advanced states of mental incompetence by the repeated consumption of fermented vegetable drinks." |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 11:47
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I didn`t know that they were actually selling tickets but my girlfriend at the time had a bootleg t-shirt for the Montreal show. I thought it was only rumours they were coming to the Big O.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 11 2007 at 11:49
I had the same tickets for the Toronto concert just a few days after. That cancelling meant I would never see them live!!
Toronto was never a successful place for Zep. They got booed off the stage opening for Vanilla Fudge in 69.
Plant had major vocal problems in 73 (Page is rumoured to have sung part of the tracks >> but I was not there to see it) and Page had cut his hand in 76 and played crap after it . ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Rando
Date Posted: January 13 2007 at 17:28
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