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Trademark

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Posted: November 21 2006 at 16:30

Point taken, post edited

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Posted: November 21 2006 at 16:26

There are plenty of ways of putting steam into arguments without using language that some people find offensive.

And there is no point in offending people in order to get your point of view across.

If you know it might be offensive to some, it's best to avoid it - remember, some people browse this forum at school.

The important thing is not to stop questioning.

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Posted: November 21 2006 at 11:56

Portnoy's commentary on the live in Eurpoe release is at about a 6th or 7th grade level. The rough equivalent of armpit farts and it most certainly and undoubtedly cheapens the whole copncert. I'm glad I wasn't there. I used Protools to edit out his stupidity so that I can listen in peace.

Edited by Trademark - November 21 2006 at 16:29

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Posted: November 21 2006 at 10:38

ResidentAlien wrote:

eugene wrote:

Yesterday I discovered in one catalogue of CDs for sale that there is a band called Anal c**t, talking about foul language here...

And? They're a grindcore band. They make loud vulgar music... such is their style; it's the message they wish to convey. What's wrong with that?

It's not the name that is the problem.

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Posted: November 21 2006 at 06:30

isn't "Eulogy" from Tool the swearest song or what?

"...come down, get off your f**king cross..."

still, i love it...

-music is like pornography...

sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more...

-sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue...

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Posted: November 21 2006 at 06:17

ResidentAlien wrote:

eugene wrote:

Yesterday I discovered in one catalogue of CDs for sale that there is a band called Anal c**t, talking about foul language here...

And? They're a grindcore band. They make loud vulgar music... such is their style; it's the message they wish to convey. What's wrong with that?

I guess nothing wrong with this apart from that I think that this kind of a band's name is a bit over the top, but I do not give a f**k about this band in particular and the whole grindcore in general. However I just remembered about this slightly unconventional sh*t when I read people here discussing occasional F words. That's all.

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Posted: November 21 2006 at 06:01

eugene wrote:

Yesterday I discovered in one catalogue of CDs for sale that there is a band called Anal c**t, talking about foul language here...

And? They're a grindcore band. They make loud vulgar music... such is their style; it's the message they wish to convey. What's wrong with that?

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Posted: November 21 2006 at 05:37

Yesterday I discovered in one catalogue of CDs for sale that there is a band called Anal c**t, talking about foul language here...

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Posted: November 21 2006 at 04:24

Man, I can't believe this ridiculous topic is still going on.

It's up to the artist to decide what is prudent and necessary. If you don't like the swearing..... don't listen to it. It's not for us to decide what songs warrant swearing and which don't. Frankly... it doesn't make a goddamned difference if any of you think the swearing is unnecessary, it's a part of the song and therefore it's a part of the art. If the artist/musician uses it, it's for a reason; whether you agree with that reasoning doesn't matter. Art is art, leave it to the artist to decide how it "should" be.

Again....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc

Edited by ResidentAlien - November 21 2006 at 04:27

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Posted: November 21 2006 at 04:17

It is stupid in that Spock's Beard epic
It is unnecessary in GYBE's INSTRUMENTAL track name
But it is f*cking great in TOOL songs!!!

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Posted: November 20 2006 at 20:42

Bryan wrote:

If swearing onstage bothers you, don't go to a Children of Bodom concert. I honestly am pretty sure Alexi Laiho rehearses his banter between songs in an effort to include the F word as many times as humanly possible.

Glad to see someone else enjoys them. He's finnish, so you kind of have to cut him slack on that, but he does overdoe it at times. And he's my guitar hero, so I'm not about to second guess the guy's vocabulary. I'm going to see them in DC on the 15th

About cursing in general, I guess I've become desensitized. Racial slurs still bother me, but in general nothing really shocks me anymore.

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Posted: November 20 2006 at 20:35

clubsprint wrote:

G'day all

I was listening to Transatlantic Live in Europe and it's quite awesome. However during a song break

one of the band drops the F word and it just lowered then tone and atmostphere of the CD.

Maybe I'm just getting old and fatherhood has sensitized me to this but surely these guys can express themselves with using profanity. There was a time I would have told myself to F#@% off but now it sort of highlites lack of imagination and ignorance of the language and the audiences sensibilities.

What do you all think?

I thought Portnoy's use of profanity cheapened the show a bit. He just came off as another foul mouthed New Yorker.

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Posted: November 20 2006 at 20:26

it' really all about how it is used and how it is heard, but if he said it during a song break it doesn't sound like a big deal

some bands can pull it off, some can't

i personally am not offended when i hear swear words in music, i just think it cheapens it a bit

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Posted: November 20 2006 at 18:42

No, he says sh*t, take two.

Swearing doesn't really bother me. I don't do it because I think it's a bad habit, but I don't really care if others do it. Saying it a lot just for the sake of it is obnoxious, though.

Edited by Arsillus - November 20 2006 at 18:42

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Posted: November 20 2006 at 17:58

Doesn't Ian Anderson say "f**k, take two" at the opening to Baker St. Muse?

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Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:49

what about NIN - closer?
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Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:46

another example would be The MC5 with Kick Out The Jams. That song loses all it's bite without the opening cry of "Kick Out the Jams Motherf**ker!"

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Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:44

Let me quote Devin Townsend, on Steve Vai's album Sex & Religion, right at the end of the song Sex & Religion:

"holy sh*t. holy jesus christ, I hurt your brain, hah, great god, steve, oh
My fingers are numb, right now
Yeah, theyre numb
Can I deprive my brain of oxygen?"

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Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:40

It's just a word. A word has no morality. It's silly to jugde something like a word.

Sometimes a well placed 'f**k' can be used to a wonderful effect. Take Ween for example.

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Posted: November 20 2006 at 16:37

[QUOTE=piltdown man] ...Whats with the word Fugazi? Is that the F -word as used by American soldiers in Vietnam - I think´I´ve read that in some Fish interview or am I totally misinformed?[QUOTE]

You're informed correctly - it means the same as the last two letters of SNAFU

I still remember the shock I got the first time I heard the Woodstock soundtrack, when Country Joe does the Fish cheer - but somehow, that's art.

Skid Row's use of the word in "Get the f**k Out" is also inspired - but somehow, W.A.S.P's "Animal, I f**k Like a Beast" seems retarted because of the use of the word.

I'd say it depends on the context - largely that between listener and artist

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