To include ELO in Progarchives

 I was once forced to watch a German TV broadcast of ELO once, after my friend mistook them for ELP and thought I'd be interested.  I have to say, amidst the massive light show in a huge stadium, with orchestral musicians straddling the flanks, I didn't notice anything untoward as the low rumlbing keyboard built up the tension.  Indeed, it took several dozen bars of actual music after the lights came up, before I actually realised his mistake.   

Whats my point you may ask?

I dont have one - except to say that I initially thought it was Black Moon...

For the record and the poll,

NO.

anyone got Jeff Lynne's number - let's ask him.

Personally I think he'd say no. and I agree with him. As I posted elsewhere on this site, Lynn himself referred in the early 80s to his band as techno-pop (as in technological, not ectsasy-fuelled beats) and that's a pretty good description.

Great pop, not prog. Same goes for Supertramp. I love both, they're two of my favourite bands and while Eldorado and Crime of the Century have some pretty prog overtones, they just don't fit the bill for me. Straight pop/rock with a prog sensibility.

sigod wrote: Guillermo wrote: I think that the Electric Light Orchestra should be included in this website. In my opinion, this band mixed Rock music with very good orchestral arrangements. I consider, at least, that their first 4 albums are more Progressive ("The Electric Light Orchestra" (71), "ELO2" (73), "On the Third Day" (73) and "Eldorado" (74)). Maybe they became more Pop rockers later, but other Prog bands like YES, GENESIS, PFM, TRIUMVIRAT, THE MOODY BLUES and others did it too. What do you think? Sorry Guillermo, we have this question asked every two or three months and it always gets voted down. I love ELO, 'Out Of The Blue' was the first album I ever owned and I can still find new things in it even today but for me, the argument is a tad futile as everybody remembers them for the pop stuff not the tricky stuff that they did in the early days. IMO they just don't 'feel' very proggy. What would Roy Wood think of us?

O.K. I didn`t know that this question has been asked before. I`m in this Forum since late November 2004. Anyway, thanks to all the people who gave their opinions.

oliverstoned wrote: Garion81 wrote: oliverstoned wrote: sigod wrote: DallasBryan wrote: here we go again with the brits defining the catagory. they have decided for us, its been debated at Oxford and the Queen has made a ruling. think for once everyone else should decide this one! Off you go then... There's no risk of its being debated by your monkey-brainless-president Why would make such a stupid stament? It has nothing to with this thread. Sorry, it was to answer to Dallasbryan! that's him who start! But, as the proverb says, only thruth wounds!

Yeah, I see that. He mentioned the Queen and Oxford among other things.    Just didn't think we needed another thread to bash GWB. Got enough of them in the "Things Not Related" threads  

I think if your gonna have Supertramp  - there's must exist at least a case for ELO - their first two lp's at least - I think if we take controversial inclusions like ELO - or Supertramp then maybe we could just list the early LP's -

For Eg Supertramp's 1st is quite proggy in its own way

and same with ELO's second LP. It might be a way around it. Just include certain LP's - but of course then its just gonna be well what LP's and your back to grey areas I spose'

DallasBryan wrote: OK then! Lets keep it a british idea of what should and shouldnt be progressive, after all its safer that way keeps em inline. BLAH!!! Give up the control, New Gibraltar dont have any problem with the inclusion of Traffic, ELO, Todd Rundgren, Cluster, Klaus Schulze, Guru Guru, etc. And calls RUSH not to prog themselves! But for my Canadian friends and British folk lets keep it safe, kinda give you a sense of well being, BLAH!!! And for my American friends quit letting them lead you around by the nose! Again, The Move(pre ELO), Traffic and the Moody Blues were considered progressive rock when Pink Floyd was still considered psychedelic experimental rock and the rest were still nursing on the Beatles and their output. ------------------------------ There's a new kid in town Ooh, hoo Everybody's talking 'bout the new kid in town Ooh, hoo Everybody's walking' like the new kid in town There's a new kid in town There's a new kid in town I don't want to hear it There's a new kid in town I don't want to hear it

I dunno what you are getting at, this isn't New Gibraltar who says they have it right anyway..are you saying that the British members here are shepherds and the americans are sheep?