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Peter 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
 Posted: October 10 2006 at 17:22 |
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To me, the real issue is not the presence of any one band like IM. Rather, it is "does metal belong on a progressive rock site?"
(Is it "prog," or is it just "prog as far as metal goes?") I'm not saying yes or no, but that seems to be the fundamental issue: how broad is your definition of "prog?"
The definition of the site's owners obviously does include metal, so, given that, then I can't see how people can justifiably whine about the continued inclusion of metal bands. Like it or not, metal is here on PA, and it has been here from the start.
If it REALLY bothers you that metal is here, you should perhaps leave and start your own "pure" prog website.
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Snow Dog
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: October 10 2006 at 17:12 |
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Yes.....their new album is a Prog Metal album, so therefore I p[ersonally see know problem.....I voted Yes.......thats a "yes" from me.......................yes!
I voted "yes" Edited by Snow Dog - October 10 2006 at 17:13 |
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Jared
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Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 20308 |
Posted: October 10 2006 at 17:07 |
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sorry, but I don't think it was a particularly good idea...
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Peter
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: October 10 2006 at 16:53 |
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!! 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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SolariS
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Joined: October 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 891 |
Posted: October 10 2006 at 09:31 |
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Sigh. The overall top100 is a SUPERFICIAL rating system. It compares apples and oranges and throws it all together into a fruit salad. You tell me which is better: The highest ranked Zeuhl album or the highest ranked Prog Metal album. Well the top100 has already decided, but to actually say that one album is better really doesn't make too much sense. They have entirely different goals and their music leaves not too much to be compared. I'm trying to direct you toward an argument that might actually get some consideration, because comments like this will get you nowhere. I would argue to throw away the whole top500 thing if people like you are getting so bent out of shape about it. It doesn't mean that much anyway. It makes more sense to have top100 in individual sub-genres. And another flaw with your line of thinking: Inidividual albums are written to be progressive, not bands. Don't believe me? Ok, then try to claim that Yes or Genesis' whole catalogue is progressive, and you'll have the whole site laughing at you. Just because Iron Maiden isn't a prog rock band doesn't mean that can't write a progressive album, and apparently many people believe this to be a very progressive album. Listen to MikeEnRegalia, he knows... |
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JayDee
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VIP Member Joined: September 07 2005 Location: Elysian Fields Status: Offline Points: 10063 |
Posted: October 10 2006 at 09:15 |
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Yes. Prog Related.
Edited by Majestic_Mayhem - October 10 2006 at 09:23 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21582 |
Posted: October 10 2006 at 09:06 |
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^ the cold and objective world of database queries ...
not the album is wrong, but the SQL query!
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toolis
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Joined: April 26 2006 Location: MacedoniaGreece Status: Offline Points: 1678 |
Posted: October 10 2006 at 08:55 |
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"Seventh Son.." is already in No 174, surpassing tons of true prog albums... no comment... |
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-music is like pornography...
sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
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Bilek
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VIP Member Joined: July 05 2005 Location: Turkey Status: Offline Points: 1484 |
Posted: October 10 2006 at 03:01 |
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 ... Your last sentence may even apply to notorious bands such as Genesis... (fans don't bash me, there's almost consensus that their post '80 works are not prog at all... Well, the previous ones are best of symphonic rock, that's another story...)
Yet, the problem with all these bands (in the prog-related category) is that they might be mixed up with "full-blown" prog bands, so as to distract attention (just as Sasquamo's concern). This site's first and foremost aim is to advertise progressive rock music, not honour bands which came close to making prog in a certain phase of their careers!!! For this reason I'm repeating my suggestion that I made several times before: the bands in prog-related category (after the transfer of Peter Gabriel to some other genre
 ) must somehow be kept seperate from the other subgenres, and reviews should not be featured on the homepage (or homepage must be split into two, showing prog-related album reviews at the bottom). This way a newcomer, who tries to investigate what prog actually is, would not see 3 Iron Maiden, 2 Ten CC, 1 ELO, 3 Queen, 1 Fairport Convention and 1 Wishbone Ash etc. albums! (btw, I just realised Troya is also in prog-related! Remove it elsewhere, please! it's more prog than most bands in art-rock...)I know, this is a hard task, and might take a lot of time, but I believe it will pay off in the long run and save us from needless arguments like this
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Listen to Turkish psych/prog; you won't regret:
Baris Manco,Erkin Koray,Cem Karaca,Mogollar,3 Hürel,Selda,Edip Akbayram,Fikret Kizilok,Ersen (and Dadaslar) (but stick with the '70's, and 'early 80's!) |
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SolariS
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Joined: October 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 891 |
Posted: October 09 2006 at 23:24 |
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Oh, and last I checked, Prog-Related was not winning the vote for favorite genre listed on this site: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29511 So, I think you're safe.  |
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SolariS
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Joined: October 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 891 |
Posted: October 09 2006 at 23:22 |
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To me, good music is good music. I don't care for IM, but if a number of progressive rock fans find a certain band interesting, I want to know about it. The nice thing about a prog-related category is that it gives us a chance to review and discuss albums that are similar to prog, but are not full-blown enough to be considered prog. A number of bands have one or two very progressive albums. Why completely exclude them simply because the rest of the catalogue is not? |
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Sasquamo
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Joined: September 26 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 828 |
Posted: October 09 2006 at 21:20 |
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My only fear is that these prog-related bands will start to get as much attention as the real prog bands.
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Hatters
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Joined: May 06 2006 Status: Offline Points: 466 |
Posted: October 09 2006 at 14:18 |
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NO, simple as.
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Atavachron
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65602 |
Posted: October 07 2006 at 01:35 |
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Iron Maiden were a metal band that had unusually progressive tendencies-- more than other previous bands of their ilk (Sabbath, Priest, Scorps). There is very little doubt they generated the spark that started what is best described as progressive metal. Remember; Prog metal is metal with progressive leanings rather than heavy prog like Rush. Maiden are prog metal, they are prog-related, they were the most important band of the era-- much more than Metallica, Angelwitch, Exodus or Motorhead. They belong here and 'prog-related' is better than nothing. As far as Zep goes, they were progressive by nature but *not* Progressive. Zep started the idea of heavy blues/metal but moved on quickly, passing the torch to Black Sabbath.
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TheProgtologist
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
Posted: October 05 2006 at 17:16 |
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Maiden was considered for prog metal and after we discussed them and voted on them they were ultimately rejected.So don't look for them to be moved to that category.
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: October 05 2006 at 17:10 |
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Uther,
Any decision on whether or not a band is added does not take into account whether or not those taking the decision like the band or not. To suggest such shows disrespect for the integrity of our members, teams of experts and for the admin team.
Also, you have never been prevented from voicing your opinions. Action would only be taken if you are considered to be in breach of the site rules.
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Uther
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Joined: August 04 2006 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 86 |
Posted: October 05 2006 at 15:30 |
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Well Subject IM....more replyes and more threads....There are some People that they care so much their personal tastes and biases.
I was censored by the team ( a while) for making and posting some polls and threads about it
They don't like Zep, very popular so we don't expect Zep or unledded could be add
Hope to not be censored this time. This site is public so we must feel free to post our opinions
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What! can the devil speak true?
Macbeth, 1. 3 |
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Philéas
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Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419 |
Posted: October 04 2006 at 10:32 |
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No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. |
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Swanhild
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Joined: September 09 2006 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 133 |
Posted: October 04 2006 at 10:00 |
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The way metal is seen and classified by metalheads could be relevant for this discussion? I do not believe that they would say that Maiden is prog-metal. For me it seems better that they are in Prog Related rather than Prog-metal.
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20412 |
Posted: October 04 2006 at 09:56 |
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That Unledded album has become my favorite of theirs I have to say. Many of those songs are better than the originals.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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