Who are these guys Robert Fripp's hanging

Epitath wrote: Guys, Fripp is an amazing guitarist, thats a fact. However, were not talking about some random guys of the street, were talking about Stevie Vai and Joe! I couldnt believe my eyes when i read this thread! Some of you are actually really saying that fripp is more talented that joe and steve?  cmon, be realistic! geez...

I've seen all these guitar players live (on DVD) and I too feel that, overall, Fripp is a better guitarist. It's easy to say that Vai/Satriani could easily nail anything Fripp plays because they always show off. When Fripp does show off (which is rare), he proves that he can attain the same level of speed that Vai/Satriani but he adds complexity to it. A good example that was already brought up is the Eyes wide open DVD. Some of the improv solos he plays are insane.

Plus, Fripp's rythm guitar structures are sometimes really really complex.

Anyway, that my opinion.

Man Overboard wrote: Not only that, but Fripp's capable of playing insane speeds...  the improv videos from the Eyes Wide Open DVD show some solos that I think Satch and Vai would have to practice for hours to nail...  not only for the speed, but the modes and scales!

    

Are you one of those elitists who think guys such as Satch and Vai can't match Fripp and other guitarists because you think all Vai and Satch do is play fast? Face it: those two can play circles around Fripp. I like Fripp, but he does not have the technical or melodic control that they do.

Have you ever seen and/or heard Satch or Vai? I have seen Satch, and he's absolutely amazing! I have several of both guitarists albums... and they are absolutely phenomenal (the playing, not necessarily compositions). I also have several Crimson albums and heard many other examples of Fripp's work. Fripp simply does not match their abilities.

Also, some of you talk of Fripp's "avant-garde." Sorry, Fripp is only average. Compare him to Derek Bailey, for example. Derek is a far superior player.


'Nuff said.

Not only that, but Fripp's capable of playing insane speeds...  the improv videos from the Eyes Wide Open DVD show some solos that I think Satch and Vai would have to practice for hours to nail...  not only for the speed, but the modes and scales!

Man Overboard wrote: Proghat wrote: Man Overboard wrote: King of Loss wrote: Fripp doesn't really belong there though. I agree, but he's got a history of playing with less talented musicians. Wait, you don't even know these guys and you're calling them less talented?? Steve and Joe are anything but talentless. You may not like their music, but they are far from talentless, and in fact, have much more "talent" than Fripp. THAT'S why he's out of place. Fripp is good, don't get me wrong, but he's not a guitar wizard like these guys are. Actually, I'm quite familiar with Satch and Vai; I've got a cousin who's a guitar wizard, and he worships those guys.  I didn't recognize them by sight because I listened to their -music- instead of obsessing over their image.  Yes, they're both very good, but they're not on the same level as Fripp...  Vai himself even said so.

First of all, I'm pretty sure anybody who comes to these forums doesn't sit there and obsess over musicians' images, but you recognized Fripp by sight, didn't you? Nobody said anything about "images". If you've ever seen Vai/Satch live, you'd obviously know what they look like -- even if you don't really care. So, given that you don't even know what they look like, I'm gonna have to say that your opinion of them really doesn't seem all that valid. This is also taking into consideration the fact that they appear on the covers of most of their albums.

Second of all, Vai may have said that Fripp was better than than him, but he did so out of respect. Joe and Vai are much more proficient at guitar than Fripp. This is not to say that Fripp is a slouch (certainly not), all it means is that they are better than him when it comes to guitar. I'm not crapping on Fripp. He's awesome, and I actually like his MUSIC a lot better than Vai/Satch's. He's a much better songwriting than those two are. The thing is, he just can't compete with them when it comes to guitar skills. That's why he's out of place.


Edited by Proghat - August 25 2006 at 17:25

And Fripp is somewhere in the back, as usual.

Man Overboard wrote: Proghat wrote: Man Overboard wrote: King of Loss wrote: Fripp doesn't really belong there though. I agree, but he's got a history of playing with less talented musicians. Wait, you don't even know these guys and you're calling them less talented?? Steve and Joe are anything but talentless. You may not like their music, but they are far from talentless, and in fact, have much more "talent" than Fripp. THAT'S why he's out of place. Fripp is good, don't get me wrong, but he's not a guitar wizard like these guys are. Actually, I'm quite familiar with Satch and Vai; I've got a cousin who's a guitar wizard, and he worships those guys.  I didn't recognize them by sight because I listened to their -music- instead of obsessing over their image.  Yes, they're both very good, but they're not on the same level as Fripp...  Vai himself even said so.

What the hell do you think Vai's going to say. "Joe and I are better than Robert, and that's that."? Of course he'll say Fripp is better, but it doesn't make it true, he said that simply out of respect. Vai and Joe could play Fripp to pieces any day. That said, I prefer Fripp as a guitarist, and the songwriting skills of Vai and Satch come nowhere near Fripp's.

That Fripp is more talented than Vai and Satriani?  Yes.

Man Overboard wrote: King of Loss wrote: Fripp doesn't really belong there though. I agree, but he's got a history of playing with less talented musicians.

Fripp doesn't really belong there though.