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James Lee
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Posted: January 11 2005 at 01:09 |
Especially if you create the situation where your dog attacks...
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DallasBryan
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 22:52 |
no, Lucifer was Gods covering angel, Lucifer was the
most beautiful, Lucifer was the musical leader in
heaven. His pride said " I will ascend my throne
higher than Gods(maybe being closest to him, god
let him see a weakness that Lucifer thought he could
use, who knows?). But before he cast him down he
did give him the I made your boy story. Their are no
references in Biblical text that would justify what you
have heard. Nothing that I can think of that comes
close. Jesus claimed in the new testament when
tempted by Satan, that he was there when Satan(his
new name) was cast down to earth like lightening!
Kinda like you saying in your heart you are going to
takeover your fathers house, you may get kicked out,
because he dont have to put up with it. Or your dog
attacking your face!
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when I fight authority
authority always wins
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James Lee
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 22:43 |
What exactly was Lucifer's complaint (according to traditional scripture, that is)? I've heard that he thought God was paying too much attention to humans, and that's why he's been such a jerk to us ever since. Is that accurate?
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DallasBryan
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 20:25 |
or ultimate love? he let a third of the angels fall by
their own choice, are humans, celestials or whatever
any better than angels? I dont know, but I dont see
the gain in blaming God for your deeds anymore
than claiming the devil made me do it.
maybe those that would reject God arent worth it, or
maybe they are not ignorant, as Lucifer wasnt
ignorant, they consciencely say "I want it all and I
want it now", "best of both worlds", "cancel my ticket
to the resurrection......" , etc. Sort of the credit card
syndrome, until it closes in on you. I dont know, I only
answer for myself, and where Ive been, believe me
thats enough. Dont let the hipocracy getcha down.
Long as you got hope your OK!
Thats why its a mystery!
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James Lee
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 20:09 |
Lucifer means "light-bringer".
Satan means "wise one".
God, however, is a pretty generic word.
DB: Are you really saying that God would be willing to see his creation destroyed by our choices? Doesn't sound to me like he places much value on His works.
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DallasBryan
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 04:57 |
Maybe Gods big enough to give men the choice. To
separate them from carnal instinct and/or the natural
survival instinct that creation seems to have built
into it. And use freewill to dictate their own destiny.
Although I agree some would be better of robot
controlled. Maybe Lucifier had a choice to stand say
2nd in power and pride was his downfall. Maybe
men make similar decisions in life, basically given a
book of rules and given grace as a way out. Maybe
Jesus Christ represents(good choice) right and
Lucifier represents(bad choice) wrong. And the
decision is yours!
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 10 2005 at 02:51 |
Peter wrote:
Rob The Plant wrote:
Oh yah? what about the forward lyrics relating to Satan? The Piper and such. |
More likely to be a reference to Tolkien and TLOTR: "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn."
Boo! Blood and souls for my lord Arioch! 
Oh, and that nagging back pain? That's not from too long at the computer, it's because 666 is no longer alone -- he's getting out the marrow in your backbone! 
And have you met 668? He's the Neighbour of the Beast....
Weee-ooo! Wee-ooo! Skrawk! Hiss! Come in, Rangoon!
Seriously, vegetable-lad, sleep deprivation is making you wacky -- it works for me! 
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yah, maybe. Good point about the Piper, there are many LOTR references in Zeppelin songs. I've only slept 3 hours in 2 days, so maybe you're right.
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Posted: January 07 2005 at 02:12 |
Living in Vegas, I get a geeky little giggle every time I see "777" in big flashing lights. I think Crowley would have enjoyed it as well, if he wasn't too far gone in syphilitic dementia. I don't think Glenn Danzig would laugh...he seems like a humorless type. Although he did have a cameo on an episode of Aqua Teen Hunger Force, so he must be able to laugh at himself a little.
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Posted: January 06 2005 at 03:55 |
I hate 668, that wimpy bugger !!!!!!!!!!
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Peter
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Posted: January 06 2005 at 00:03 |
Rob The Plant wrote:
Oh yah? what about the forward lyrics relating to Satan? The Piper and such. |
More likely to be a reference to Tolkien and TLOTR: "The Piper at the Gates of Dawn."
Boo! Blood and souls for my lord Arioch! 
Oh, and that nagging back pain? That's not from too long at the computer, it's because 666 is no longer alone -- he's getting out the marrow in your backbone! 
And have you met 668? He's the Neighbour of the Beast....
Weee-ooo! Wee-ooo! Skrawk! Hiss! Come in, Rangoon!
Seriously, vegetable-lad, sleep deprivation is making you wacky -- it works for me! 
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Peter
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Posted: January 05 2005 at 22:54 |
Peter wrote:
Q: Where did the devil come from? |
OK, I'll finish my thought: From an omnipotent, omniscient God.
Seems he goofed on that particular creation. 
If God is truly "omniscient," he saw Lucifer's rebellion coming, even planned it. So, either God is not God, or the devil is not truly evil, but just doing what God designed him to do. (Thus, in effect, God is the devil.)
Also, Lucifer/Satan, before being cast out, lived at God's right hand in paradise. But heaven is a perfect, eternally blissful place, so how is it that Satan and others of his angelic ilk managed to feel dissatisfied there, hmmmm?
Of course, WE (mankind) dreamed up the devil (a veritable evil god) to cow the unbelievers into toeing the line, and to explain why bad things happen to good people, with a benevolent god supposedly in charge.
Occult? Devil worship? ha! You might as well worship a vampire, a werewolf, the Great Pumpkin, or some other such imaginary "bogieman" invented to make the kids behave, and the peasants pay their tithes.
Thoughts from the "I believe the devil is real" camp? I've got more!
(Hey, a long-ago vote here -- of which I was on the losing side -- as well as my esteemed colleague James Lee, said that we could/should talk about such things.)
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy.
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 05 2005 at 22:12 |
Oh yah? what about the forward lyrics relating to Satan? The Piper and such.
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Squirrel_monkey
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Posted: January 05 2005 at 17:52 |
I think anyone who manages to make lyrics work when played both ways is a genius and should be celebrated!
ELO did an album 'Secret Messages' to mock the accusations.
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i!i!i!i!i! SqUiRrEl MoNkEy i!i!i!i!i!
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Velvetclown
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Posted: January 05 2005 at 02:16 |
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Posted: January 04 2005 at 19:15 |
Rob The Plant wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
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Very witty!
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BURN!
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Very good album imho! 
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 04 2005 at 18:15 |
Reed Lover wrote:
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Very witty!
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BURN!
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 04 2005 at 18:15 |
Velvetclown wrote:
Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you? 
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Monty Python is damn good.
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Posted: January 04 2005 at 16:28 |
mikedevilsfan wrote:
DallasBryan wrote:
easily done with digital processing.
dont go into the REDRUM!!! where The Shining meets Pulp Fiction.
see Queen - Flick of the Wrist, Fight From the Inside, lyrics for details. |
Lets see you do it if its so easy. Ever hear Zep say "natas" in a song- no.
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actually, to say satan backwards you need to say "not this". if you were to say "natas" you would get something that sounds more like "sAtAn" and not so much pronounced as "say-tin"
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Velvetclown
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Posted: January 04 2005 at 16:12 |
Oh, what a give-away. Did you hear that? Did you hear that, eh? That's what I'm on about. Did you see him repressing me? You saw it, didn't you? 
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Posted: January 04 2005 at 15:39 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Thanks....for that...er ..interesting snippet....Garion!
Any more..............well keep 'em to yourself!
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Will do Reed 
The devil made me do it !
Or maybe it was Velvet Clown? 
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