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Progger 
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 Posted: June 07 2006 at 13:16 |
Count me in as a fan! I think there's enough variants in their albums to please anyone if they gave them a chance to listen. However, I think their over eclectic approach does work against them & confuses people.
Just my thoughts!
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 13:00 |
 RycheMan wrote:
Maybe the reason Dream Theater are analysed to death on these forums is because most Symph Rock lovers can´t believe (or admit) that here is a Prog Metal band with really talented musicians, or maybe because they are American?
I prefer DT to Yes. |
Me too! 
I think the skills level between Dream Theater and many symphonic prog bands like The Tangent, The Flower Kings, and Yes are very comparable. I don't think symphonic fans have a problem with this, as much as the timbre of DT doesn't tickle their fancy.
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WaywardSon
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 11:12 |
Maybe the reason Dream Theater are analysed to death on these forums is because most Symph Rock lovers can´t believe (or admit) that here is a Prog Metal band with really talented musicians, or maybe because they are American?
I prefer DT to Yes.
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Kid-A
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 10:49 |
The first few songs on Scenes From A Memory, especially Overture de 1928 and Strange deja vu.
Also I like most of Images and Words.
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imoeng
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:36 |
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^ what was the album and the songs if you could tell me
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Kid-A
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:31 |
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I've been listening to Dream theater for the first time over the last couple of weeks. I like some of the songs, but I'm not big on the heavily distorted sound, and some of the guitar soloing just goes nowhere.
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Padraic
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 09:10 |
You know your topic is controversial when Rideout manages to wander into a DT thread... 
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Peter
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 08:36 |
stonebeard wrote:
If you like them, then fine. If you don't like them, then fine. Just don't make threads about them anymore. It's sad, but some fans/haters can't understand why people like/don't like them. You either do or don't. |
Wow... that's like... so DEEP ya know, Stoner!
Give me a hit off that thing.
Far out.  Stone groove. 
Let's order a pizza! 
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 04:44 |
imoeng wrote:
its just me or that related to snobness/snobbyness/whatever... lol |
It's just you. 
Seriously, snobbishness (or whatever) is a classic symptom of listening to Prog Rock - the more you listen to it the more snobby you get.
And rightly so in my opinion
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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imoeng
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 02:53 |
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its just me or that related to snobness/snobbyness/whatever... lol
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 02:50 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
micky wrote:
'I love this band so much.... that they must be underrated because not everyone sees their inherent brilliance as I do' |
Nah Micky, that's the 2005 edition, have you ever read the Fanboy Advanced Dictionary (Edition 2006)?
UNDER RATED: How do this ignorants can't notice the band (s) I like is (are) the best in the history of humanity?
OVER RATED: What do this ignorants see in that crappy band?
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I think you nailed it, Ivan
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 01:33 |
micky wrote:
'I love this band so much.... that they must be underrated because not everyone sees their inherent brilliance as I do'
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Nah Micky, that's the 2005 edition, have you ever read the Fanboy Advanced Dictionary (Edition 2006)?
UNDER RATED: How do this ignorants can't notice the band (s) I like is (are) the best in the history of humanity?
OVER RATED: What do this ignorants see in that crappy band?
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 07 2006 at 01:34
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Hierophant
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 01:09 |
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Well there's underrated for you - DT the most rated band in PA
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The Miracle
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 01:01 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
Micky, think about this:
- Prog Metal is not remotely the most popular genre, but still has more combined reviews in two albums than any Symphonic or Art Rock band.
Are you kidding? any two progmetal albums have more reviews than Yes, Genesis, Rush or ELP albums?
Holy God, you know I'm talking about
Metropolis and Octavarium have more ratings combined than any other two
albums from band here if I'm not wrong.
But lets check this numbers choosing the two albums with more ratings by the most reviewed bands:
Reviews of:
Genesis
SEbtP.........415
Foxtrot.......295
TOTAL...........710
Yes
CttE........471
Relayer..269
TOTAL.....740
ELP
Trilogy.....110
BSS.........183
TOTAL......293
Dream Theater
Metropolis II.....387
Octavarium.......398
TOTAL...............785
I doubt there are bands with more ratings.
Iván
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Yeah, you're right with those two... though they're mostly fanboy ratings of kids passing by (SFAM has 110 reviews and CTTE has 186 reviews)
Edited by The Miracle - June 07 2006 at 01:01
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:52 |
micky wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Taste appart...Are you crazy????
- There are 145 threads that mention Dream Theater's name + 50
threads about Octavarium, + 11 threads about Metropolis (Not counting
the rest of the albums), this makes 206 threads (At least) about Dream Theater. King Crimson has 15 threads.
- Octavarium has 398 reviews and Scenes From A Memory Metropolis Part II has 387 reviews,
- Thick as a Brick has 231 reviews and the next Tull album has 50%
- Close to the Edge has 471 reviews, but no other Yes album comes remotely near to Octavarium or Metropolis
- Selling England by the Pound has slightly more reviews than any of
both Dream Theater albums, the rest of Genesis releases not remotely
near.
- No ELP album has 50% the number of reviews than Octavarium.
- No King Crimson album is close to any of the above mentioned Dream Theater albums in number of reviews.
Please, is this an underrated band?????
This is a comparison with the most iconic bands of Prog, the ones that everybody knows and most people love.
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hahhaha... Ivan you have to understand what 'underrated' means to some people......
'I love this band so much.... that they must be underrated because not everyone sees their inherent brilliance as I do'
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I think you really hit the nail on the head here, Micky...  It seems to be a generation gap thing, though. The majority of DT fans are considerably younger than we are, and many of them got into prog through DT. As we say here in Italy, you can never forget your first love - and many really behave like people in love.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:51 |
The Miracle wrote:
Micky, think about this:
- Prog Metal is not remotely the most popular genre, but still has more combined reviews in two albums than any Symphonic or Art Rock band.
Are you kidding? any two progmetal albums have more reviews than Yes, Genesis, Rush or ELP albums?
Holy God, you know I'm talking about Metropolis and Octavarium have more ratings combined than any other two albums from band here if I'm not wrong. 
But lets check this numbers choosing the two albums with more ratings by the most reviewed bands:
Reviews of:
Genesis
SEbtP.........415
Foxtrot.......295
TOTAL...........710
Yes
CttE........471
Relayer..269
TOTAL.....740
ELP
Trilogy.....110
BSS.........183
TOTAL......293
Dream Theater
Metropolis II.....387
Octavarium.......398
TOTAL...............785
I doubt there are bands with more ratings.
Iván
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The Miracle
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:32 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Micky, think about this:
- Prog Metal is not remotely the most popular genre, but still has more combined reviews in two albums than any Symphonic or Art Rock band.
Are you kidding? any two progmetal albums have more reviews than Yes, Genesis, Rush or ELP albums?
- King Crimson (Despite my dislike for most of their music) has done more for Prog during 37 years than Dream Theater in 16 years, but King Crimson has only 15 threads and Dream Theater 206 at least.
That's because they're more popular with the youth.... most DT threads are started by noobs who haven't heard much prog outside of DT, and 80% of them are repeated.
- Metropolis 2000: Scenes From New York has an average of 4.37 stars while Aphrodite's Child, one of the best Conceptual albums ever has 4.17 average and Trespass the turning point of Genesis has 4.21 and Trilogy or Brain Salad Surgery, masterpieces and influential albums of Prog have 4,27 and 4,33 stars.
Yeah but the studio version has a normal well balanced rating of 4.27 which is normal for an album commonly accepted as a masterpiece of prog metal. The DVD is mostly rated by fans because thse who dislike the band wouldn't watch it, it's different from hearing an album. And since it's a really nice DVD, they rate it highly. It only has 31 (mostly fan ) ratings, while BSS has 183 more objective ones.
Underrated could mean they are not mentioned enough......They are one of the most mentioned and reviewed bands (If not the most).
Underrated could mean their albums have undeserved low ratings.......Dream Theater has two of the highest averages in Prog Archives.
How can anybody call them underrated? And if they do, what in hell does underrated means? I totally agree with this part
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Edited by The Miracle - June 07 2006 at 00:33
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KoS
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:23 |
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Ivan is right
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:22 |
micky wrote:
hahhaha... Ivan you have to understand what 'underrated' means to some people......
'I love this band so much.... that they must be underrated because not everyone sees their inherent brilliance as I do'
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Micky, think about this:
- Prog Metal is not remotely the most popular genre, but still has more combined reviews in two albums than any Symphonic or Art Rock band.
- King Crimson (Despite my dislike for most of their music) has done more for Prog during 37 years than Dream Theater in 16 years, but King Crimson has only 15 threads and Dream Theater 206 at least.
- Metropolis 2000: Scenes From New York has an average of 4.37 stars while Aphrodite's Child, one of the best Conceptual albums ever has 4.17 average and Trespass the turning point of Genesis has 4.21 and Trilogy or Brain Salad Surgery, masterpieces and influential albums of Prog have 4,27 and 4,33 stars.
Underrated could mean they are not mentioned enough......They are one of the most mentioned and reviewed bands (If not the most).
Underrated could mean their albums have undeserved low ratings.......Dream Theater has two of the highest averages in Prog Archives.
How can anybody call them underrated? And if they do, what in hell does underrated means?
Iván
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The Miracle
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 00:02 |
Jeff Schu wrote:
The Miracle wrote:
DT are the last band I'd call underrated
There's a bunch of metalheads out there who never heard of prog than love them.
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Aside from Rush it was DT that was my biggest introduction to the
wide world of Prog way back in 1995/1996 ... Prior to discovering Rush
and DT I was a metalhead through and through I listened to bands like
Iron Maiden, Megadeth and Metallica and other metal. After a while Rush
and DT were the gateway into prog for me from their I discovered Yes
and King Crimson as well as delving much deeper into the world of
prog-metal.
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My stoey's close... I liked metal and hard rock mostly(I still love (early)Metallica, Maiden, and Megadeth ),
plus a couple prog bands(Yes, Tull, Floyd). Then I became upsessed with
DT, and found this site one time searching for 'six degrees'... this is
where I truly discovered prog, so you can say DT led me to it
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