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Points: 2537 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 22:02
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

I think Kansas maybe qualifies as Redneck Prog, or something.



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They certainly do have a strong American feel - don't really know why I get this associationConfused


 
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I think Tool are very low quality. They really are just metal.
 
Also Dream Theater very low.


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Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

I think Kansas maybe qualifies as Redneck Prog, or something.



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They certainly do have a strong American feel - don't really know why I get this associationConfused




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Teaflax,Imagine if I said some British band maybe qualifies for Limey Prog or Pommie Prog? I think the term Redneck Prog is a bit harsh.
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I think Kansas maybe qualifies as Redneck Prog, or something. They need a modifier which sets them apart, because it's such an obvious difference.

Dream Theater are Prog Metal, so I don't bitch about them. Do I like them? Eh. It's standard Rock/Metal with fiddly bits - which seems to be pretty much the definition of Prog Metal, so...

American Prog bands I like include the mighty Discipline, the (previously) divine Echolyn and...um, I can't think of any more.
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Points: 2537 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 21:14
Hmmmm (steadies his breathing)
 
Teaflax, Kansas were pulled out of the Art Rock Genre and put in the Symph Prog Genre. To which genre do you think they should go?
Are there any Big American Prog bands that you do like? (by that I mean the biggest are probably Kansas , Dream Theater and a few others).
 
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I love early Kansas music , prog is what it is I think, either way I don`t care because I love it so much , Kerry Livgren is amongst one of my favourite song writers and Phil Ehart is my favourite drummer , I know and understand that some people don`t feel the way I do about Kansas music but that doesn`t make my feelings towards their 70`s prog any less valid. What surprises me is the bashing Kansas get ? I mean they are underrated as it is (just look at the top 100 and you won`t find kansas there) Kansas have contributed  lots of quality prog in many cases of a higher quality than many of the top 100 cd`s mentioned yet they still get bashed. They are talented they sound original , they play with feel and passion ... I just don`t get it, why some people bash them ?  and I never will  Confused 


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Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

  If you've heard their early output you can't argue much that it's not full blown American Prog and if anything Classic Rock, not AOR.

I have heard it all, and can argue it that they are not full-blown Symphonic Prog.

American Prog? Sure. Classic Rock, fine. But real true-to-the-genre Symphonic Prog? Not with that US Radio Rock streak a mile wide running through everything, sorry. A hamburger that's made out of pork is still a pork burger, no matter how good the sesame seed bun is, how many pickles, lettuce and tomatoes you put on it or how much you slather it in ketchup.

When the basic ingredient in the song writing is something that goes intrinsically against the genre, it makes it not entirely of that genre. Is Kansas an AOR/Classic Rock/Rawk band with Symphonic leanings? Abso-damn-lutely. It's got lots of condiments and big slice of melted cheese -  but it's still a pork burger.
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Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:


Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

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I happen to love all prog, at least all subgenres.... the only bands that didn't grab me at all are AOR-ish bands like Kansas, Styx, and Asia, and aside from that, Symphony X

    
Kansas shouldn't be compared to bands like Styx and Asia. If you've heard their early output you can't argue much that it's not full blown American Prog and if anything Classic Rock, not AOR.
Well, I have Leftoverture and it's mediocre at best IMO... it just does nothing for me

    
Not saying you have to like them of course. Just saying they are full blown prog.


I'm not saying they aren't(much proggier than Asia or Styx) It just has a slightly more AOR-ish sound than most other symphonic bands.
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I find Pink Floyd very boring, but i'm far from considering it crap, i respect them too much to say that, i think me not liking it is a question of tastes and that's all. What i really don't like at all, and not just because i consider it boring, but also because i consider it bad is Marillion, i know that a lot of people won't agree, but i think their music is really poor.
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Points: 1485 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 19:54
Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:


Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I happen to love all prog, at least all subgenres.... the only bands that didn't grab me at all are AOR-ish bands like Kansas, Styx, and Asia, and aside from that, Symphony X

    
Kansas shouldn't be compared to bands like Styx and Asia. If you've heard their early output you can't argue much that it's not full blown American Prog and if anything Classic Rock, not AOR.
Well, I have Leftoverture and it's mediocre at best IMO... it just does nothing for me

    
Not saying you have to like them of course. Just saying they are full blown prog.
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Points: 28427 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 19:49
Originally posted by FragileDT FragileDT wrote:

Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I happen to love all prog, at least all subgenres.... the only bands that didn't grab me at all are AOR-ish bands like Kansas, Styx, and Asia, and aside from that, Symphony X

    
Kansas shouldn't be compared to bands like Styx and Asia. If you've heard their early output you can't argue much that it's not full blown American Prog and if anything Classic Rock, not AOR.


Well, I have Leftoverture and it's mediocre at best IMO... it just does nothing for meOuch
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Originally posted by The Miracle The Miracle wrote:

I happen to love all prog, at least all subgenres.... the only bands that didn't grab me at all are AOR-ish bands like Kansas, Styx, and Asia, and aside from that, Symphony X

    
Kansas shouldn't be compared to bands like Styx and Asia. If you've heard their early output you can't argue much that it's not full blown American Prog and if anything Classic Rock, not AOR.
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I thought this was a "prog" thread. Take it to another thread, guys.
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Points: 1043 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 18:55
I hate Hip hop, Rap and R&B. I also hate most pop music made in dutch language though there are a few exceptions. All prog bands i've heard  shine in comparision to these genres. From the prog bands i heard i don't like Nightwish very much (though still much better than the afore mentioned crap).
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Originally posted by YYZed YYZed wrote:

This "black-influenced" rubbish is getting to be a little upsetting. Without black influence there would be no rock music, and no prog. There would be no jazz or blues. I think we owe a lot to black influence. And to say the pop garbage out there today is solely derivitive of black music, and not any white music is stupid. Where would the nu-metal bands be without the influence of white metal bands and black rap groups?

In response to the topic, I agree with what was said before. It's all a matter of taste.


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spiral archictect is the worse prog band I have ever heard
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This "black-influenced" rubbish is getting to be a little upsetting. Without black influence there would be no rock music, and no prog. There would be no jazz or blues. I think we owe a lot to black influence. And to say the pop garbage out there today is solely derivitive of black music, and not any white music is stupid. Where would the nu-metal bands be without the influence of white metal bands and black rap groups?

In response to the topic, I agree with what was said before. It's all a matter of taste.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2006 at 17:39
Please let us all get back to the subject - it's all very boring!
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