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Poll Question: What GENRE do you believe Kayo Dot fits in the best?
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

^ I just hear a lot of metal "origins" when listening to Kayo Dot, on the new album more than on the 2003 album.

BTW: The term "prog metal" certainly isn't "derogatory" ... and if it was, we would have to do something about it. Moving bands out of prog metal just because we think that they "deserve better" doesn't feel right to me.




Me either.

One of the reasons that we came up with sub genres of progressive metal is to try to fit these bands in their proper place,and not just under the general term of "prog metal",which can be misleading.
 


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^ I just hear a lot of metal "origins" when listening to Kayo Dot, on the new album more than on the 2003 album.

BTW: The term "prog metal" certainly isn't "derogatory" ... and if it was, we would have to do something about it. Moving bands out of prog metal just because we think that they "deserve better" doesn't feel right to me.
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Points: 27802 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2006 at 14:06
Originally posted by ivansfr0st ivansfr0st wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I will ask the admins again about the split of the prog metal genre ... I think the best category for Kayo Dot is:

Avant/Experimental Prog Metal.

Even when they remove most of the influences, they're still rooted in Metal.


I agree.

What the heck is the deal with trying to reclassify all these bands?
 

Firstly, it is a nice thing to have all groups organised correctly. In addition, only a few people are interested in finding about new progmetal groups, and the general idea on this site is that being classified as progmetal is almost deragotary, meaning that categorising a group incorrectly often leads to a lack of attention. I can't see what you mean by "metal roots" though, two musicians previously started playing in a "metal" group(I don't see how you can possibly call motW metal though), whereas the majority of the big band are trained classically, as far as I know.

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We spent months coming up with new prog metal sub genres,tracking down and finding samples and songs for these bands,listening to them all,discussing and debating where they should be placed.

I'll be honest,it annoys me when someone waltzes in and says...you guys are wrong.
 


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Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I will ask the admins again about the split of the prog metal genre ... I think the best category for Kayo Dot is:

Avant/Experimental Prog Metal.

Even when they remove most of the influences, they're still rooted in Metal.


I agree.

What the heck is the deal with trying to reclassify all these bands?
 

Firstly, it is a nice thing to have all groups organised correctly. In addition, only a few people are interested in finding about new progmetal groups, and the general idea on this site is that being classified as progmetal is almost deragotary, meaning that categorising a group incorrectly often leads to a lack of attention. I can't see what you mean by "metal roots" though, two musicians previously started playing in a "metal" group(I don't see how you can possibly call motW metal though), whereas the majority of the big band are trained classically, as far as I know.

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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

I will ask the admins again about the split of the prog metal genre ... I think the best category for Kayo Dot is:

Avant/Experimental Prog Metal.

Even when they remove most of the influences, they're still rooted in Metal.


I agree.

What the heck is the deal with trying to reclassify all these bands?
 


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I will ask the admins again about the split of the prog metal genre ... I think the best category for Kayo Dot is:

Avant/Experimental Prog Metal.

Even when they remove most of the influences, they're still rooted in Metal.
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Experimental Avant Prog

But seriously, Avant prog / RIO is probably the least problematic term with this band.
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By the way, I casted my vote to 'RIO/Avant-Garde', although I believe "Experimental/Post-Rock" would suit just as well.

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I feel that Kayo Dot's classification is incorrect(now they are 'Progressive Metal' on the site), because the elements of Metal in their music are present in obscure, avant-gardish forms and, with each release, in fewer quantity. For example, their second album has only one song with a 'Metal' mood(the very first track, 'Gemini...'), more sludgey than 'Metal' actually, and there is also an about 40 second long awesome grindcore part on "Aura..." However, elements of other types of prog music are much more obvious in their presence, especially those of Avant-Garde and Experimental Post-Rock. T. Driver himself distances from the 'Metal' scene with each year after the departure from 'motW', now playing modern classical music as a solo artist with a violinist, so his group's next album will probably have so few 'Metal' sides that is enough to be neglected when choice is done for the genre. I mean, for example, Mr. Bungle and Fantomas have about as much heavy influence as Kayo Dot and NOBODY ever calls them 'Progressive Metal'.

This poll was brought here by my sole decision. Please express your point of view by not only voting, but also expressing your opinion in this thread by replying. All opinions are welcome, regardless of whether you are in a Meta omission team or not.

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