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richardh 
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 Posted: March 27 2006 at 01:40 |
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''Prog''. Less pretentious!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 27 2006 at 01:18 |
 ivansfr0st wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
alan_pfeifer wrote:
I still say Art Rock fits best. |
I don't believe so, because this would imply that the rest of Rock music is not art,, what we know is not correct.
Plus the fact that the term Art Rock has evolved in something different.
Iván
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Well, then you can also say that you can't call Prog "Progressive Rock", since that would mean other Rock doesn't "progress". 
-- Ivan
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No Ivan, because Progressive Rock doesn't have to Progress, it's just a name of a genre. Anglagard or Magenta didn't progressed an inch from the music that was made by the Prog' pioneers in the 70's and both are considered 100% Progressive Rock bands.
But Art Rock is an adjective that is qualifying what we know as Progresive Rock like the only form of artistic Prog.
Ok what the hell, why do we care for a name?
Iván
Edited by ivan_2068
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Trickster F.
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Posted: March 27 2006 at 01:12 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
alan_pfeifer wrote:
I still say Art Rock fits best. |
I don't believe so, because this would imply that the rest of Rock music is not art,, what we know is not correct.
Plus the fact that the term Art Rock has evolved in something different.
Iván
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Well, then you can also say that you can't call Prog "Progressive Rock", since that would mean other Rock doesn't "progress".
-- Ivan
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 17:11 |
alan_pfeifer wrote:
I still say Art Rock fits best. |
I don't believe so, because this would imply that the rest of Rock music is not art,, what we know is not correct.
Plus the fact that the term Art Rock has evolved in something different.
Iván
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MajesterX
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 16:46 |
 I...really um, can't tell any difference between the two, one is just shorter. I also like art rock alot more because there is no arguing over "o, well spock's beard and IQ can't be progressive I mean they're not really progressing".
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Joolz
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 16:46 |
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Yes are 'Prog' because it's a convenient box to put them in. But they ceased to progress long ago - IMHO most bands only progress for a short while, then settle into their own identifiable style.
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 16:41 |
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I still say Art Rock fits best.
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eugene
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 16:35 |
erlenst wrote:
eugene wrote:
For me terms "Prog" and "Progressive rock" bear slightly different meanings. Prog (short of "Progressive") IMO is more wider term. For example Enid or Kotebel or Contrappunto Project are assosiated for me with word "Prog", but simply Contappunto or Rush or Focus are progressive rock.
Prog might (or might not) include progressive rock among its components, plus always something else (classical, jazz, whatever else), while progressive rock is only progressive rock, if you know what I mean.
King Crimson - prog, Anekdoten - progressive rock
Taal - prog, 4/3 de trio - progressive rock
etc etc etc etc..............
Prog is not necessarily better than progressive rock (it depends on particular artists) - just wider.
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If there is a difference, then it's the complete opposite of what you're saying actually.
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Opposite what, in your opinion?
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carefulwiththataxe
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Dick Heath
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 16:15 |
rockandrail wrote:
It used to be called "progressive" initially. Since
language lazynness is a global trend, it logically was reduced to
"prog". The next step is no word at all. Better produce progressive CDs
with a dedicated smell then |
In the UK in the mid/late 60's it was called progressive music - see the first entry of the reviews of the Various section in PA - progressive rock probably dates from the early 70's
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Zweck
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 15:01 |
ANDREW wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
ANDREW wrote:
There is a subgenre in the modern disco music called "progressive", so i think "progressive rock" is the right term.
In Italy:
La (famale "the") progressive: progressive disco music.
Il (male "the") progressive: rock progressive.
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There's something called Progressive House in Rave Dance scenario also.
Iván
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Yes, sadly.
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Is that a problem? Is this something I should be worried about?
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erlenst
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 14:47 |
eugene wrote:
For me terms "Prog" and "Progressive rock" bear
slightly different meanings. Prog (short of "Progressive") IMO is more
wider term. For example Enid or Kotebel or Contrappunto Project are
assosiated for me with word "Prog", but simply Contappunto or Rush or
Focus are progressive rock.
Prog might (or might not) include progressive rock among its
components, plus always something else (classical, jazz, whatever
else), while progressive rock is only progressive rock, if you
know what I mean.
King Crimson - prog, Anekdoten - progressive rock
Taal - prog, 4/3 de trio - progressive rock
etc etc etc etc..............
Prog is not necessarily better than progressive rock (it depends on particular artists) - just wider. |
If there is a difference, then it's the complete opposite of what you're saying actually.
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erlenst
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 14:46 |
Witchwoodhermit wrote:
Out dated term anyway. Progressive rock? in 2006? Re-gressive more like. |
It's progressive compared to all other clichè and boring modern rock bands.
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ANDREW
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Posted: March 26 2006 at 14:32 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
ANDREW wrote:
There is a subgenre in the modern disco music called "progressive", so i think "progressive rock" is the right term.
In Italy:
La (famale "the") progressive: progressive disco music.
Il (male "the") progressive: rock progressive.
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There's something called Progressive House in Rave Dance scenario also.
Iván
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Yes, sadly.
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Bj-1
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 18:34 |
The Miracle wrote:
Progressive rock when I talk to people who hear the term for the first time, prog when I talk to other proggies. |
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Rosescar
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 18:15 |
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Progrock.
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My music!
"THE AUDIENCE WERE generally drugged. (In Holland, always)." - Robert Fripp
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 15:02 |
ANDREW wrote:
There is a subgenre in the modern disco music called "progressive", so i think "progressive rock" is the right term.
In Italy:
La (famale "the") progressive: progressive disco music.
Il (male "the") progressive: rock progressive.
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There's something called Progressive House in Rave Dance scenario also.
Iván
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ANDREW
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 08:15 |
There is a subgenre in the modern disco music called "progressive", so i think "progressive rock" is the right term.
In Italy:
La (famale "the") progressive: progressive disco music.
Il (male "the") progressive: rock progressive.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 01:19 |
Viajero Astral wrote:
Prog, Progressive Rock, Progressive Music, its the same for me. |
Not so exact:
Progressive Rock and Rock represent a determined gebre with it's own characteristics which BTW don't include the need to progress.
Progressive Music is just an adjective to describe music that it's beyond their time or that tries to go further than mainstream.
Iván
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Viajero Astral
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 00:50 |
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Prog, Progressive Rock, Progressive Music, its the same for me.
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White Feather
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Posted: March 25 2006 at 00:45 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
For God's sake, it's just a name and a short version, that's all....Who cares?
Iván |
I was just throwing it out there to see what they think , its not an issue or anything but I am interested in what people say about this
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