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Wow, you two are on quite the crusade here. I think you're wise in agreeing to disagree.














Especially since Mike is correct!

^ we obviously are two strong personalities, and neither of us will back down. We should leave it at that.

^ Nonsense. D/A conversion circuitry is not nearly as expensive as it was 5 years ago, due to the general technological progress. The D/A conversion on a Creative Audigy 2 (and if not that then the X-Fi) is certainly more than a match for a big "musical" player from 5 years ago.

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MikeEnRegalia wrote: Lindsay Lohan wrote: And yes its not ONLY the D/A converters that is resposible for the good sound but you would need one of these: If you would want to sound good! Exqueeze me, but that's a D/A converter.

Yes ofcourse it is! its not called a DAC for anything! But you would need one of these converters if you connected to them low end cd players if you would want it to sound nearly as good as the high end ones

Besides on a computer the sound will be affected by many of the computer components

"If you know any such "proof", "

If you listen to a record on Player A

If you listen to the same record on player B.
There are INSTRUMENTS you hear on B and not on A.

Lindsay Lohan wrote: Blah, yes but it seemed like such and obvious thing that even the cheapest of cd players can extract the same information BUT its what happens to that information afterwards is what matters. So yes Cheap cd players can extract the same inforamtion but it can not Reproduce it as detailed as the more expansive ones.

Luckily the quality of D/A conversion can be judged objectively. And doing so has not resulted in any definitive proof of the superiority of "musical" players. If you know any such "proof", please give me a link, I'll gladly investigate.

D/A conversion is a fairly simple process. It's obvious though that in the early days of computer CD drives the audio quality was extremely poor. But today a computer CD drive isn't responsible for D/A conversion. It only extracts the exact data. Then the soundcard reads that data and does the D/A conversion. And here you have a wide range of hardware to choose from ... from simple gaming cards to professional studio equipment.

 

Blah, yes but it seemed like such and obvious thing that even the cheapest of cd players can extract the same information BUT its what happens to that information afterwards is what matters. So yes Cheap cd players can extract the same inforamtion but it can not Reproduce it as detailed as the more expansive ones.

oliverstoned wrote: Well tried!

Don't try to talk yourself out of this, oliver ... look at what you said in that thread:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11027& amp; amp;PN=6&TPN=5

 The summary of your statments could be "Computer CD drives can't extract audio properly", or am I mistaken?

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Lindsay Lohan wrote: I have never seen a argument like that anywhere and im sure you must have misunderstood or something

Im very sorry. You are the one that misunderstood.