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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 19:25
Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

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uh, the whole point of music is that its subjective.  and the fact that one form may take more "talent" is meaningless.  theres no such thing as good or bad music, its just what appeals to you.  that doesnt make other music "bad", does it?  BTW, can you rap?  rapping takes talent.  (BTW, just so you know, i am NOT a fan of rap.)

what do you think of daniel gildenlow "rapping" (more of a "rap-core" style) in Used?

Rapping takes as much talent lyrically as any other genre, the only tricky part is rhythm, which isn't terribly challenging. Daniel Gildenlow didn't really rap so much as he spoke the lyrics. Rapping is usually done in a certain rhythm, and he had none.

Anyway, music can be bad. If something with one note as a melody and terribly written lyrics with no taste incorporated comes around, it's bad music. There are few examples of this, but occasionally there is an artist with no skills and no business making music. Eminem isn't really an example though, his music isn't bad.

Yep, agreed. I don't like Eminem, but he's certainly not as bad as Vanilla Ice  

About Daniel's "rapping", its not really 'rapping", its more like rhythmic talking more than anything else.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 16:02
Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

uh, the whole point of music is that its subjective.  and the fact that one form may take more "talent" is meaningless.  theres no such thing as good or bad music, its just what appeals to you.  that doesnt make other music "bad", does it?  BTW, can you rap?  rapping takes talent.  (BTW, just so you know, i am NOT a fan of rap.)

what do you think of daniel gildenlow "rapping" (more of a "rap-core" style) in Used?

Rapping takes as much talent lyrically as any other genre, the only tricky part is rhythm, which isn't terribly challenging. Daniel Gildenlow didn't really rap so much as he spoke the lyrics. Rapping is usually done in a certain rhythm, and he had none.

Anyway, music can be bad. If something with one note as a melody and terribly written lyrics with no taste incorporated comes around, it's bad music. There are few examples of this, but occasionally there is an artist with no skills and no business making music. Eminem isn't really an example though, his music isn't bad.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 13:17
Originally posted by DavidInsabella DavidInsabella wrote:

Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

daniel gildenlow is the mariah carey of prog music.

and i love it!!!!

BTW, to the ones that are bashing eminem, why dont you give rapping a try and see if you dont sound like a complete ass.  rapping takes talent, and is just as valid a form of music as prog is.  there is no "good" or "bad" when it comes to music, there are only preferences...

Hey Colin,

I think you've got lost and found yourself in the wrong forum... here you are amongst a group of mild mannered lentil eating hippies who wear loud waistcoats and cords... sadly not a baseball cap, tattoo, jump suit, item of jewellery or bad attitude anywhere in sight... here we are completely BLING free!

 

did you read what i said?

i said that i love DG, his singing, his compositions, everything! 

i like a lot of prog music (thats why im here) but i am also open minded enough to realize that rap, metal, country, folk, r & b, blues, any type of music you can come up w/ is just as valid and musical as the "almighty prog".  prog is no better than any other type or gengre of music.  it just cannot be argued.  i am not saying that i listen to all those other genres i listed.  like i said before, i listen to mostly prog.  what i am saying is that there is value in ALL forms of music.

Since when can't it be argued? I think prog takes more talent than rap and I could back it up with details, as could many people here. Who says some forms of music can't be better than others?

Here, Here David, you win the golden cockerel for the most intelligent sentence typed on this forum over the past seven days.... come round to my farmyard and collect it!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 12:26

Originally posted by SomethingGood SomethingGood wrote:

i agree with colin007 to a certain extent... just because you don't think some music is good, doesn't mean it isn't good. i can appreciate that eminem is talented and i can see why his music appeals to many people. that said... i personally can't stand it. 

 

thats exactly what im saying.  im not saying you have to like it (like i said, i dont), just dont think that its a "lesser" form of musical expression.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 12:24
i agree with colin007 to a certain extent... just because you don't think some music is good, doesn't mean it isn't good. i can appreciate that eminem is talented and i can see why his music appeals to many people. that said... i personally can't stand it. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 12:19

uh, the whole point of music is that its subjective.  and the fact that one form may take more "talent" is meaningless.  theres no such thing as good or bad music, its just what appeals to you.  that doesnt make other music "bad", does it?  BTW, can you rap?  rapping takes talent.  (BTW, just so you know, i am NOT a fan of rap.)

what do you think of daniel gildenlow "rapping" (more of a "rap-core" style) in Used?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 11:47
Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

daniel gildenlow is the mariah carey of prog music.

and i love it!!!!

BTW, to the ones that are bashing eminem, why dont you give rapping a try and see if you dont sound like a complete ass.  rapping takes talent, and is just as valid a form of music as prog is.  there is no "good" or "bad" when it comes to music, there are only preferences...

Hey Colin,

I think you've got lost and found yourself in the wrong forum... here you are amongst a group of mild mannered lentil eating hippies who wear loud waistcoats and cords... sadly not a baseball cap, tattoo, jump suit, item of jewellery or bad attitude anywhere in sight... here we are completely BLING free!

 

did you read what i said?

i said that i love DG, his singing, his compositions, everything! 

i like a lot of prog music (thats why im here) but i am also open minded enough to realize that rap, metal, country, folk, r & b, blues, any type of music you can come up w/ is just as valid and musical as the "almighty prog".  prog is no better than any other type or gengre of music.  it just cannot be argued.  i am not saying that i listen to all those other genres i listed.  like i said before, i listen to mostly prog.  what i am saying is that there is value in ALL forms of music.

Since when can't it be argued? I think prog takes more talent than rap and I could back it up with details, as could many people here. Who says some forms of music can't be better than others?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 11:27
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

daniel gildenlow is the mariah carey of prog music.

and i love it!!!!

BTW, to the ones that are bashing eminem, why dont you give rapping a try and see if you dont sound like a complete ass.  rapping takes talent, and is just as valid a form of music as prog is.  there is no "good" or "bad" when it comes to music, there are only preferences...

Hey Colin,

I think you've got lost and found yourself in the wrong forum... here you are amongst a group of mild mannered lentil eating hippies who wear loud waistcoats and cords... sadly not a baseball cap, tattoo, jump suit, item of jewellery or bad attitude anywhere in sight... here we are completely BLING free!

 

did you read what i said?

i said that i love DG, his singing, his compositions, everything! 

i like a lot of prog music (thats why im here) but i am also open minded enough to realize that rap, metal, country, folk, r & b, blues, any type of music you can come up w/ is just as valid and musical as the "almighty prog".  prog is no better than any other type or gengre of music.  it just cannot be argued.  i am not saying that i listen to all those other genres i listed.  like i said before, i listen to mostly prog.  what i am saying is that there is value in ALL forms of music.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 10:39
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

To clarify it to people, Dream Theater are influenced by Heavy Metal, some Thrash Metal, Progressive Rock, while on the other hand, Opeth is influenced by Black/Death Metal, Doom Metal and Progressive Rock. The Progressive influence is even different since Opeth is more influenced by Psychodelic Rock, while Dream Theater is influenced by Art Rock or Symphonic Rock.

Easy as that and DT does not have a growler like Mikael... Which makes the music extremely different. Opeth also does not "wank", it is purely atmospheric.



OCTAVARIUM SPOILERS:

In the title track, James LaBrie SHRIEKS like a metalcore shouter:  "TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM!" over and over a few times near the end.  It's wicked. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 10:37
Originally posted by Velvetclown Velvetclown wrote:

One of the few things that makes me proud to be Swedish is Pain Of Salvation. They don´t care for mass approval, this year they´ve released 12:5 an acoustic cd with old favourites, not a wise move for a metal act. Then they release another cd called BE and this must be the least commercial cd of their career. I´m proud of POS for being brave enough to release these cds, when the "Fans" just wants  Perfect Element 2. Now we will see who the real fans are, the ones who love POS music , metal or no metal.

Pain Of Salvation is my favorite band of all time and one of the few continuously progressive bands. I don't care if they're metal, I appreciate them as a progressive band, not a metal band. Be is incredible and one of the most original albums since the early 70's. I am a true fan of pos, (especially since I like RL and Be BETTER than TPE. But still, I'm exited for the sequel)

 

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Originally posted by James Hill James Hill wrote:

I dont know what to think about POS.Sometimes they are brilliant othertimes I hate them.Is just me or does the word inconsistant apply here?I think they need better vocals at times.


i personally think that inconsistent is definitely the wrong word to use. "varied" is much more fitting. i can see why there are some songs some people like more than others, and there are definitely songs which i didn't like when i first listenened to them. however, after sticking with PoS and listening to each album a good few times, the songs i originally hated seem to be becoming my favourites!

as for the vocals... to me they sound consistantly amazing throughout. Daniel Gildenlow has an amazing voice... i love it, and i don't understand why so many people have a problem with it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 09:51
Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

daniel gildenlow is the mariah carey of prog music.

and i love it!!!!

BTW, to the ones that are bashing eminem, why dont you give rapping a try and see if you dont sound like a complete ass.  rapping takes talent, and is just as valid a form of music as prog is.  there is no "good" or "bad" when it comes to music, there are only preferences...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 09:38
Originally posted by colin007 colin007 wrote:

daniel gildenlow is the mariah carey of prog music.

Errr... this has to be discussed at dawn: pistols or swords?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 09:33

daniel gildenlow is the mariah carey of prog music.

and i love it!!!!

BTW, to the ones that are bashing eminem, why dont you give rapping a try and see if you dont sound like a complete ass.  rapping takes talent, and is just as valid a form of music as prog is.  there is no "good" or "bad" when it comes to music, there are only preferences...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 07:30

Hey, you two, don't  start again with that! We don't want this thread to be moved to the "not related with music" section, do we?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 07:16
Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by James Hill James Hill wrote:

I dont know
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are brilliant othertimes I hate them.Is just me or does the word
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A matter of taste.  Many consider him to be the best prog
vocalist alive, I myself am among those.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 04:20
Originally posted by James Hill James Hill wrote:

I dont know what to think about POS.Sometimes they are brilliant othertimes I hate them.Is just me or does the word inconsistant apply here?I think they need better vocals at times.


A matter of taste.  Many consider him to be the best prog vocalist alive, I myself am among those.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2005 at 02:49
I dont know what to think about POS.Sometimes they are brilliant othertimes I hate them.Is just me or does the word inconsistant apply here?I think they need better vocals at times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2005 at 20:30
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

To clarify it to people, Dream Theater are influenced by Heavy Metal, some Thrash Metal, Progressive Rock, while on the other hand, Opeth is influenced by Black/Death Metal, Doom Metal and Progressive Rock. The Progressive influence is even different since Opeth is more influenced by Psychodelic Rock, while Dream Theater is influenced by Art Rock or Symphonic Rock.

Easy as that and DT does not have a growler like Mikael... Which makes the music extremely different. Opeth also does not "wank", it is purely atmospheric.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2005 at 20:26
Oh well, Goose. I don't really give a bullcrap really. Dream Theater is good for me.
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