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Vulkan 
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 Posted: December 11 2005 at 23:22 |
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GoldenSpiral wrote:
andYouandI45 wrote:
Becuase he is not prog. He is pop, and he did in fact ruin the greatest prog band ever. Maybe he would be in Prog-Related but scince he like literally destroyed Genesis, screw him.
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whoa, guy, the popification of genesis was a team effort. finger pointing is not necessary in this case.
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Totally agree 
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still, screw phill...he should have stayed on the drums
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Why are we never too sure till we die or have killed for an answer...
...Though names may change each face retains the mask it wore
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 10 2005 at 01:51 |
pero wrote:
ivan_2068 wrote:
Phil hasn't written a single Progressive note in any of his solo albums, he's included as a member of Genesis (Despite his crimes against Prog  ).
But as a soloist, he should be in the Pop Atchives.
Iván
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No way 
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Ok pal, name a single Prog' song in Phil's solo career?
If not, then send him to Pop Archives, because that's the music he was playing as soloist.
Iván
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Orbert
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Posted: December 09 2005 at 17:21 |
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And just to nitpick - or maybe not - he wasn't an original member of Genesis. He joined on the third album, Nursery Cryme, along with Steve Hackett.
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In and around the lake...
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Bj-1
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Posted: December 09 2005 at 17:11 |
Phil Collins' solo stuff is Porn Pop (that kinda' pop who perfectly fits in Porn movies ) and absolutely NOT prog, or prog related!!
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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PROGMAN
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 06:26 |
I've heard "Face Value", "No Jacket Required" and "But Seriously" and must say it is American Radio freindly POP with Ballads, Jazzy Pop, and Electro Elements but no more than that, PROG no way o - zay.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 04:28 |
Norbert wrote:
Most of the solo efforts of Phil Collins are simply pop, not even plain rock.
Of course, he's better than Michael Jackson, but this is not enough reason to his inclusion.
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That should be the ONLY reason for inclusion
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Norbert
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 03:37 |
Most of the solo efforts of Phil Collins are simply pop, not even plain rock.
Of course, he's better than Michael Jackson, but this is not enough reason to his inclusion.
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RoyalJelly
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 03:34 |
PhilPhan wrote:
well, couldn't one argue that genesis did indeed progress. doesn't the term progressive mean change ? what did you want them to do, redo "Firth of fifth" or "cinema show" again and again. |
Changing one's style is not the same as progressing, especially when the change involves reverting to a set of pre-existing pop clichés. No progression where there's no innovation. It's possible to be innovative within a pop format, Eno, Gabriel, Kate Bush and David Sylvian, for example, can do that, but I wouldn't include Collins or later Genesis in that category.
Ohhhh, you can't hurry love, nooohhhh, it's just got to wait!!!!....
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 03:30 |
I dont get that Prog Related thingie...there are many artists there that does not got any progressive elements at all 
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Jim Garten
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 03:26 |
PhilPhan wrote:
well, couldn't one argue that genesis did indeed progress. doesn't the term progressive mean change ? what did you want them to do, redo "Firth of fifth" or "cinema show" again and again? |
Well, yes, actually - your point being? 
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pero
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 02:56 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
Phil hasn't written a single Progressive note in any of his solo albums, he's included as a member of Genesis (Despite his crimes against Prog ).
But as a soloist, he should be in the Pop Atchives.
Iván
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No way
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BiGi
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 02:32 |
Bern wrote:
GoldenSpiral wrote:
andYouandI45 wrote:
Becuase he is not prog.
He is pop, and he did in fact ruin the greatest prog band ever. Maybe
he would be in Prog-Related but scince he like literally destroyed
Genesis, screw him. |
whoa, guy, the popification of genesis was a team effort. finger pointing is not necessary in this case. |
Of course it was, as we have already discussed many times...blame (if you wish, I don't) Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford as well for that!
Totally agree
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A flower?
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 02:05 |
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Phil Collins had some great post-Genesis songs. I personally am
not much of a fan of his music, but he definitely deserves
respect. Inclusion on this site (as a solo artist), however,
should not and will not ever happen.
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My recent purchases:
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SlipperFink
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 00:42 |
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KILL PHIL!!!
KILL PHIL!!!
KILL PHIL!!!
KILL PHIL!!!
KILL PHIL!!!
KILL PHIL!!!
KILL PHIL!!!
KILL PHIL!!!
EVERYBODY NOW!!!!!
LMFBO.
Ahh me.
Gotta love Prog fans.
Warms the cockles of me 'eart.
SM.
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BleedingGum
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Posted: December 07 2005 at 00:09 |
Phil Collins has done such a great job, whether you like it or not. He
can play and write music what he wants to, without listening to
anyone's opinion.
Even me, I stop buying Genesis post ATTWT and I am not interested to collect his albums. but I give him credits. 
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...this is called....BleedingGum ... !
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 23:46 |
Cinema wrote:
You might say Phil Collins is to progressive rock, what Judas was to the
disciples. |
Phil Collins has contributed A LOT to prog
I don't need to defend him, his brilliant career does
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Cinema
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 23:00 |
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You might say Phil Collins is to progressive rock, what Judas was to the
disciples.
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 22:48 |
andYouandI45 wrote:
Becuase he is not prog. He is pop, and he did in fact ruin the greatest prog band ever. Maybe he would be in Prog-Related but scince he like literally destroyed Genesis, screw him.
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(though just one thing he is a great drummer don`t forget that)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 22:25 |
Phil hasn't written a single Progressive note in any of his solo albums, he's included as a member of Genesis (Despite his crimes against Prog ).
But as a soloist, he should be in the Pop Atchives.
Iván
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ldlanberg
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Posted: December 06 2005 at 21:56 |
Phil was one of the two best things to happen to Genesis. (Steve Hackett being the other.) I preferred Phil's fluid, athletic stagemanship over Peter's stiff and choreographed stuff. Phil was an exciting drummer as well.
Yet I haven't heard anything from Phil's solo stuff that would qualify for reminiscing on this site. But of course I cannot stop anyone from reminiscing about anything. Nor would I want to be that kind of jerk.
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