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Kris_man 
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Definition of shredding: extremely fast guitarring characterised by sweep picking and arpeggios.
Joe Satriani barely ever shreds, so even though I love him, I wouldn't vote for him here. In fact, I think it would be an insult to his guitarring to call him a shredder.
Steve Vai is more of a shredder than Satch, but still too diverse to be called a shredder. An unbelievable virtuoso, but not a shredder.
Michael Romeo is a poor man's Malmsteen.
John Petrucci certainly has shredding in him, it may even be his main attribute, but I'm not blown away by his speed like I am with Malmsteen.
btw, I don't even like Malmsteen as a guitarist, I find him boring and a show off. But, I haven't heard anyone who matches him in terms of shredding alone.
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MegaMoog
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:41 |
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Michael Angelo hands down, has anyone else played a four necked
guitar? If you have never seen him play you must !!!!!!!!!!! Even if you do not like the music, its amazing to watch him play, none better.
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Trotsky
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:18 |
 Forgotten Son wrote:
I prefer the term Instrumental Guitar Virtuoso to "shredders". Only about half of the guitarists on the list actually "shred" and most of those only ocassionally. Satriani and Vai have displayed some excellent melodic guitar playing (Satch: Cryin', Starry Night, Until We Say Goodbye. Vai: For the Love of God, TEnder Surrender, Windows to the Soul) as has Buckethead on his albums Colma, Electric Tears and Population Override. Using the term "shredding" with regards to these players really does them no favours, as it immediately causes people unfamiliar with their work to think of tasteless guitar w**kers like Michael Angelo Batio. As a result right them off, when in fact they have much more to offer than fast licks (I myself can play Joe Satriani's Cryin', which goes to show that some of their material is actually not very technical  )
BTW, Blackmore did do some shredding and was infact a pioneer of Neo-Classical electric guitar. Listen to tracks like Catch the Rainbow from the album Rainbow: Live in Germany and you'll hear some great examples of Blackmore more technical side.
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No doubt that Blackmore did set some standards ... but I guess it's a percentage thing (gasp, not another genre debate) ... I know Blackmore did do a bit of high-speed arpeggios,scales, etc, but I feel it was only a small percentage of his totally output ...
I can't say the same for Malmsteen and Petrucci though ...
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:00 |
^sure let's throw more violinists in here.
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Shaman
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 20:12 |
The godfather of shred Nicolo Paganini, ask Yngwie.
I don't see Al Dimeola, Allan Holdsworth, Greg Howe, Uli Jon Roth, Scott Henderson & Andy Timmons on the list, so my vote goes to Jason Becker.
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Wizard/TRueStar
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 19:33 |
How about favorite shredder. If there was a best there would be only one person to vote for eh?
JASON BECKER As a guitar player myself JB means a lot to me.
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King of Loss
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 19:05 |
MY favorite shredder is JP, but I like Surfing With the Alien solo better
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Damen
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 18:21 |
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Malmsteen.
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"It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days."
-Chris Squire
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Sam Fire
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 17:38 |
Oh, am I the only Eric Johnson voter here? Oh well. He is the best that I've heard so far, although I do bow before the wizardry of both Mattais Eklundh and Herman Li! And, naturally, Alex Lifeson  !
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THE DEMON CODE PREVENTS ME FROM DECLINING A ROCK-OFF CHALLENGE!!!
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 17:14 |
^  I see everyone has taken maidenrlz post quite seriously indeed! 
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Paulieg
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 17:08 |
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Yngwie Malmsteen
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:53 |
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i cant belivie that Malmsteen got so many votes? There are many before him that played faster and more precise + he tends to get very boring + all his tricks is ripped of from Ritchie blackmoore...he has even built up his gutiar the same way as blackmoore
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Empathy
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:50 |
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Vai!!!!!!
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Pure Brilliance:
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:47 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
AtLossForWords wrote:
I've always considered Gary Wehrkamp to be the better Shadow Gallery guitarist. I don't think Romeo can surpass Petrucci. Petruccis entire style is built around shread guitar. He's much clearer/cleaner than any other gutiarist when he shreads. Petrucci also matches his solos perfectly with the chords harmonizing him. This is a guy who never hits a wrong note. I consider vibrato to be a large part of shread guitar as well. Petrucci's vibrato is also rarely surpassed. His vibrato is timed perfectly with the beat of the song. He also pulls off some spectacular bends considering he isn't using a floating tremolo like most other shread guitarists do. Romeo lacks the clarity and arcticulation Petrucci has in his playing. Romeo has some incredible solos like Smoke and Mirrors, Sea of Lies, and the Divine Wings of Tragedy, but they lack clarity in some points.
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Allman does most of the Job is SG, since Gary does quite a lot of other stuff, like bass playing when Carl plays flute, or paying keys when Chris is not around... They are both awesome though... And they do have a distinctive sound!!! I'd never mistake their energetic upbeat & melodic solo with anyone else!!!
And Mike Romeo is awesome... Not that awesome as Petrucci, but still hell of a player. Quite distinctive riff & solo sound 2!!!! And its a mater of taste when You talk bout clarity is solos being bad
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I just figured Wehrkamp does most of the solos because he is the composer, but you're the Shadow Gallery expert here. I never said Romeo was bad, i was just stating the aspects of guitar that i see Petrucci is far superior to him.
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Gary coposes a lot of the guitar parts, but he makes Brendt play most of them
I never accused You of saing Romeo is bad, in fact i like Petrucci more! Just thought that it was a bit unfair You think his solos are worse cuz they are unclear.... well... wait... I have that same feeling 2!!! 
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:39 |
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
AtLossForWords wrote:
I've always considered Gary Wehrkamp to be the better Shadow Gallery guitarist. I don't think Romeo can surpass Petrucci. Petruccis entire style is built around shread guitar. He's much clearer/cleaner than any other gutiarist when he shreads. Petrucci also matches his solos perfectly with the chords harmonizing him. This is a guy who never hits a wrong note. I consider vibrato to be a large part of shread guitar as well. Petrucci's vibrato is also rarely surpassed. His vibrato is timed perfectly with the beat of the song. He also pulls off some spectacular bends considering he isn't using a floating tremolo like most other shread guitarists do. Romeo lacks the clarity and arcticulation Petrucci has in his playing. Romeo has some incredible solos like Smoke and Mirrors, Sea of Lies, and the Divine Wings of Tragedy, but they lack clarity in some points.
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Allman does most of the Job is SG, since Gary does quite a lot of other stuff, like bass playing when Carl plays flute, or paying keys when Chris is not around... They are both awesome though... And they do have a distinctive sound!!! I'd never mistake their energetic upbeat & melodic solo with anyone else!!!
And Mike Romeo is awesome... Not that awesome as Petrucci, but still hell of a player. Quite distinctive riff & solo sound 2!!!! And its a mater of taste when You talk bout clarity is solos being bad
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I just figured Wehrkamp does most of the solos because he is the composer, but you're the Shadow Gallery expert here. I never said Romeo was bad, i was just stating the aspects of guitar that i see Petrucci is far superior to him.
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Wolf Spider
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:21 |
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:16 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
I've always considered Gary Wehrkamp to be the better Shadow Gallery guitarist. I don't think Romeo can surpass Petrucci. Petruccis entire style is built around shread guitar. He's much clearer/cleaner than any other gutiarist when he shreads. Petrucci also matches his solos perfectly with the chords harmonizing him. This is a guy who never hits a wrong note. I consider vibrato to be a large part of shread guitar as well. Petrucci's vibrato is also rarely surpassed. His vibrato is timed perfectly with the beat of the song. He also pulls off some spectacular bends considering he isn't using a floating tremolo like most other shread guitarists do. Romeo lacks the clarity and arcticulation Petrucci has in his playing. Romeo has some incredible solos like Smoke and Mirrors, Sea of Lies, and the Divine Wings of Tragedy, but they lack clarity in some points.
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Allman does most of the Job is SG, since Gary does quite a lot of other stuff, like bass playing when Carl plays flute, or paying keys when Chris is not around... They are both awesome though... And they do have a distinctive sound!!! I'd never mistake their energetic upbeat & melodic solo with anyone else!!!
And Mike Romeo is awesome... Not that awesome as Petrucci, but still hell of a player. Quite distinctive riff & solo sound 2!!!! And its a mater of taste when You talk bout clarity is solos being bad
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AtLossForWords
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:56 |
I've always considered Gary Wehrkamp to be the better Shadow Gallery guitarist. I don't think Romeo can surpass Petrucci. Petruccis entire style is built around shread guitar. He's much clearer/cleaner than any other gutiarist when he shreads. Petrucci also matches his solos perfectly with the chords harmonizing him. This is a guy who never hits a wrong note. I consider vibrato to be a large part of shread guitar as well. Petrucci's vibrato is also rarely surpassed. His vibrato is timed perfectly with the beat of the song. He also pulls off some spectacular bends considering he isn't using a floating tremolo like most other shread guitarists do. Romeo lacks the clarity and arcticulation Petrucci has in his playing. Romeo has some incredible solos like Smoke and Mirrors, Sea of Lies, and the Divine Wings of Tragedy, but they lack clarity in some points.
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Forgotten Son
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 13:01 |
I prefer the term Instrumental Guitar Virtuoso to "shredders". Only
about half of the guitarists on the list actually "shred" and most of
those only ocassionally. Satriani and Vai have displayed some excellent
melodic guitar playing (Satch: Cryin', Starry Night, Until We Say
Goodbye. Vai: For the Love of God, TEnder Surrender, Windows to the
Soul) as has Buckethead on his albums Colma, Electric Tears and
Population Override. Using the term "shredding" with regards to these
players really does them no favours, as it immediately causes people
unfamiliar with their work to think of tasteless guitar w**kers like
Michael Angelo Batio. As a result right them off, when in fact they
have much more to offer than fast licks (I myself can play Joe
Satriani's Cryin', which goes to show that some of their material is
actually not very technical )
BTW, Blackmore did do some shredding and was infact a pioneer of
Neo-Classical electric guitar. Listen to tracks like Catch the Rainbow
from the album Rainbow: Live in Germany and you'll hear some great
examples of Blackmore more technical side.
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Single Coil
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Posted: November 01 2005 at 12:45 |
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I voted for Petrucci, since Al DiMeola wasn't on the list. I think of him as the godfather of shred. He can tear up an acoustic guitar better than anyone, in my opinion.
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