Best shredder.
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Topic: Best shredder.
Posted By: Syndromet
Subject: Best shredder.
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 14:40
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Hi. Just wanted to know wich guitarist you think is the greatest shedder of all time. Might not be prog-related, but I found no other suitable place to post this. I voted for Jason Becker. What he did at his age beefore he got sick is just unbeliveable. -------------  It is said to be the first Test-pressing of the corean release??
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 14:50
Eklundh isn't shred, he's just awesome 
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 15:15
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Dave Murray is the best guitar player but out of that list i choose Joe satriani ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: zabriskiepoint
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 15:36
| Jason Becker. |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 15:55
Petrucci!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 16:11
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Hmm, in that list I think Satriani, Petrucci and Vai are the best. Herman Li, the Dragonforce guitarist is also a great shredder. |
Posted By: walrus333
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 16:12
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Malmsteen is the high priest of shred. But Satriani, Vai and Petrucci are dam good as well. ------------- If anyone knows where I can get a copy of some Flute and Voice (Indo-Prog/Raga Rock) albums please PM me! Many thanks! |
Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 16:26
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Brian Setzer?
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Posted By: Syndromet
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 16:54
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I've never heard Brian Setzer... Always thought he was like a country-style singer/songwriter. Guess I have to check him out. To me, it doesn't get more shread than this. http://www.angelo.com/speed_lives_mab.wmv ------------- It is said to be the first Test-pressing of the corean release??
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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 16:56
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Shawn Lane shredded with a level of creativity and precision I have never seen before. Sure raw speed is nice, but in the end that music is very shallow. Shawn Lane was definitely the best "shredder" there ever was. Those of you voting otherwise are uneducated. ------------- I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon... |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 16:59
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I voted for Malmsteen.Vai is awesome too. -------------  |
floydaholic wrote:Posted By: Erik
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 16:59
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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 17:02
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Perhaps, but it is still the truth. He is a better shredder than the ones mentioned. I wouldn't say it with such confidence if I wasn't absolutely sure of it. Buckethead himself regards him as the best guitarist ever to have lived, and Buckethead knows what he's talking about. ------------- I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon... |
Posted By: Tony Fisher
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 17:24
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There is no such thing as a good shredder. Mindlessly fast playing is a waste of time; when you judge a guitarist by "number of notes per second" it's simply time to give up. Most great guitarists can shred if they want (Hackett can play as fast as anyone on that list (witness his incredible acoustic playing), but he doesn't waste his time simply churning out notes at maximum rate). For another guitarist who could play with incredible speed and combine it with taste and delicacy, listen to Eric Bell on the original Thin Lizzy version of "Whiskey in the Jar" and compare it with the somewhat ham-fisted imitation by Kirk Hammett on the Metallica covers album. Jan Akkerman could also play incredibly fast when he chose (see him live for proof) but it was pointless, so he only did it occasionally. Don't get me wrong; some on that list are excellent guitarists but don't judge them just on speed. Indeed, John Petrucci would improve so much if he slowed down and inserted some emotion!
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 17:51
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Many of those guitarists are not "shredders" at all. Malmsteen is
probably the most recognized for his shred, with Vai and satriani close
behind. of those three I like Satriani the best, because
Malmsteen's shredding is pretty useless, and steve Vai's persona is
just way too flashy for me. However, I voted for Buckethead because he's just crazy. Most of his solo work is good, but everything he does with Les Claypool is beyond amazing. ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 17:52
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I'd have to go with John Petrucci. There are many shread guitarist, but few have the clarity that Petrucci has. Guys like Friedman and Becker are excellent shredders, but they lack the precision that Petrucci has. -------------  
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 20:33
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I asume shreder is ultra fast in the name of fast? Ahh...its a style I dont like that much...what is Ritchie Blackmore doing there? He is prevoius all that... ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 20:36
| I say either Mclaughlin or Dimeloa. |
Posted By: Kohllapse
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 20:42
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Ron Jarzombek ------------- 
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Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 20:48
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Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 20:49
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Ooooh! Dimeola is a goodun'! Friday Nights in San Fransisco owns my soul. ------------- I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon... |
Posted By: The Wizard
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 21:07
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I voted for satch. I got to see him! -------------  
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Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 21:17
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Okay... I vote for Romeo.. ------------- ...this is called....BleedingGum ... ! |
Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 23:38
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do you really consider jazz guitarists like Mclaughlin, Di Meola and Eric Jonson shredders? The only REAL shred guitarists on there are Malmsteen, Vai, Satch, Buckethead and Petrucci (well, those are the ones I know anyway). but the point is, a HUGE distinction needs to be made between jazz and shred. totally different styles of playing. but, hell, dont listen to me, Im just a bass player.  ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 31 2005 at 23:45
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Since Yngwie invented "shred" or at least popularized it, my vote goes to him. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 00:02
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Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 00:21
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my choices were: Yngwie Petrucci gilbert romeo angelo-batio and satch my vote went to: petrucci im biased im a ------------- 
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Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 00:40
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Yes, it's a shame that shred has become a genre itself (although technical ability has always been respected and demonstrated with cadenzas and stuff). But if you look at the term as refering strictly to someone who plays fast, the jazz/fusion guys would fit right in. And since most of the players metioned have developed their skill to ridiculous speed, they're all roughly equal in that aspect of playing, so its logical to pick a guitarist whose playing appeals more rather than who's fastest. |
Posted By: Syndromet
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 01:34
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Brent Allman and Michael Romeo are extremly good guitarists, as all the
others on that list. I still think they have a lack of personality and
originality. I would not say shread has become a genre of its own as the styles of the shread-guitarist wary a lot from each guitaist. You can listen to Marty Friedmans hawaian style, Vais weird noises or Malmsteens noeclassical bach copys, and the genre of music is very difrent. I tend to like the bluesier parts of it, like Paul Gilbert and Jimy Kids record. As for the jazzers, I haven't decided if I would call them shreaders. ------------- It is said to be the first Test-pressing of the corean release??
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 12:33
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Blackmore is my favourite guitarist on the poll, and he is no shredder ... I hate shredders ... if you asked me which shredder was the most annoying I'd have to say Malmsteen followed closely by Petrucci ... ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: R_DeNIRO
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 12:45
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Petru, of course !! ------------- We were always be much human than we whish to be. |
Posted By: Single Coil
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 12:45
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I voted for Petrucci, since Al DiMeola wasn't on the list. I think of him as the godfather of shred. He can tear up an acoustic guitar better than anyone, in my opinion. ------------- If it's worth playing, it's worth playing loud! |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 13:01
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I prefer the term Instrumental Guitar Virtuoso to "shredders". Only
about half of the guitarists on the list actually "shred" and most of
those only ocassionally. Satriani and Vai have displayed some excellent
melodic guitar playing (Satch: Cryin', Starry Night, Until We Say
Goodbye. Vai: For the Love of God, TEnder Surrender, Windows to the
Soul) as has Buckethead on his albums Colma, Electric Tears and
Population Override. Using the term "shredding" with regards to these
players really does them no favours, as it immediately causes people
unfamiliar with their work to think of tasteless guitar w**kers like
Michael Angelo Batio. As a result right them off, when in fact they
have much more to offer than fast licks (I myself can play Joe
Satriani's Cryin', which goes to show that some of their material is
actually not very technical ) BTW, Blackmore did do some shredding and was infact a pioneer of Neo-Classical electric guitar. Listen to tracks like Catch the Rainbow from the album Rainbow: Live in Germany and you'll hear some great examples of Blackmore more technical side. |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 15:56
I've always considered Gary Wehrkamp to be the better Shadow Gallery guitarist. I don't think Romeo can surpass Petrucci. Petruccis entire style is built around shread guitar. He's much clearer/cleaner than any other gutiarist when he shreads. Petrucci also matches his solos perfectly with the chords harmonizing him. This is a guy who never hits a wrong note. I consider vibrato to be a large part of shread guitar as well. Petrucci's vibrato is also rarely surpassed. His vibrato is timed perfectly with the beat of the song. He also pulls off some spectacular bends considering he isn't using a floating tremolo like most other shread guitarists do. Romeo lacks the clarity and arcticulation Petrucci has in his playing. Romeo has some incredible solos like Smoke and Mirrors, Sea of Lies, and the Divine Wings of Tragedy, but they lack clarity in some points. -------------
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:16
Allman does most of the Job is SG, since Gary does quite a lot of other stuff, like bass playing when Carl plays flute, or paying keys when Chris is not around... They are both awesome though... And they do have a distinctive sound!!! I'd never mistake their energetic upbeat & melodic solo with anyone else!!! And Mike Romeo is awesome... Not that awesome as Petrucci, but still hell of a player. Quite distinctive riff & solo sound 2!!!! And its a mater of taste when You talk bout clarity is solos being bad ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:21
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Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:39
I just figured Wehrkamp does most of the solos because he is the composer, but you're the Shadow Gallery expert here. I never said Romeo was bad, i was just stating the aspects of guitar that i see Petrucci is far superior to him. -------------
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Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:47
Gary coposes a lot of the guitar parts, but he makes Brendt play most of them I never accused You of saing Romeo is bad, in fact i like Petrucci more! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5">
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Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:50
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Vai!!!!!!
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 16:53
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i cant belivie that Malmsteen got so many votes? There are many before him that played faster and more precise + he tends to get very boring + all his tricks is ripped of from Ritchie blackmoore...he has even built up his gutiar the same way as blackmoore ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Paulieg
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 17:08
| Yngwie Malmsteen |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 17:14
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Posted By: Sam Fire
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 17:38
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Oh, am I the only Eric Johnson voter here? Oh well. He is the best that I've heard so far, although I do bow before the wizardry of both Mattais Eklundh and Herman Li! And, naturally, Alex Lifeson! ------------- THE DEMON CODE PREVENTS ME FROM DECLINING A ROCK-OFF CHALLENGE!!! |
Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 18:21
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Malmsteen. ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 19:05
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MY favorite shredder is JP, but I like Surfing With the Alien solo better
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Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 19:33
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How about favorite shredder. If there was a best there would be only one person to vote for eh? JASON BECKER |
Posted By: Shaman
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 20:12
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The godfather of shred Nicolo Paganini, ask Yngwie. I don't see Al Dimeola, Allan Holdsworth, Greg Howe, Uli Jon Roth, Scott Henderson & Andy Timmons on the list, so my vote goes to Jason Becker. |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:00
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^sure let's throw more violinists in here. -------------
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Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:18
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No doubt that Blackmore did set some standards ... but I guess it's a percentage thing (gasp, not another genre debate) ... I know Blackmore did do a bit of high-speed arpeggios,scales, etc, but I feel it was only a small percentage of his totally output ... I can't say the same for Malmsteen and Petrucci though ... ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: MegaMoog
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:41
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Michael Angelo hands down, has anyone else played a four necked
guitar? If you have never seen him play you must !!!!!!!!!!! Even if you do not like the music, its amazing to watch him play, none better. ------------- Where Can I Get A Moog biscuit?  
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Posted By: Kris_man
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 21:57
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Definition of shredding: extremely fast guitarring characterised by sweep picking and arpeggios.
Joe Satriani barely ever shreds, so even though I love him, I wouldn't vote for him here. In fact, I think it would be an insult to his guitarring to call him a shredder. Steve Vai is more of a shredder than Satch, but still too diverse to be called a shredder. An unbelievable virtuoso, but not a shredder. Michael Romeo is a poor man's Malmsteen. John Petrucci certainly has shredding in him, it may even be his main attribute, but I'm not blown away by his speed like I am with Malmsteen. btw, I don't even like Malmsteen as a guitarist, I find him boring and a show off. But, I haven't heard anyone who matches him in terms of shredding alone. |
Posted By: MegaMoog
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 22:04
I am telling you Michael Angelo download a video of him playing his two necked guitar, or his four neck, he plays two necks a once |
Posted By: Kris_man
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 22:13
Download a video? Not on dial-up!  ------------- http://karpy.blogspot.com - http://karpy.blogspot.com |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: November 01 2005 at 22:30
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Angel to me is like a Guy with big guns, but does not how to use it. He is just mind-blowingly sh*tty. He sucks more than Good Charlotte |
Posted By: Philrod
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 01:32
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Vai is not a shredder! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Philrod/?chartstyle=Geldropdown-small"> 
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Posted By: Philrod
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 01:34
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Two words: Mediterrenean Sundance. He sure is the godfather of shred. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Philrod/?chartstyle=Geldropdown-small">
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Posted By: Reverie
Date Posted: November 02 2005 at 02:27
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I voted for Michael Romeo. I consider Vai to be the best on that list, but i don't really consider him a shredder. He shreds, yes, but as somebody else pointed out, he's much more than that. Romeo is like an entertaining Malmsteen. |
Posted By: MegaMoog
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 15:37
I am just saying who else can play a four necked guitar, I really do not like his music but, come on! have you watched him play speed kills, If you know someone faster and crazyer let me know and I will watch them play and get back to you does that sound fare? |
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 15:41
| Ian Chricton of Saga. |
Posted By: AtLossForWords
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:05
If Vai is not considered a shredder, should we consider guys like Petrucci and Vai not part of the shredder crowd either. If that's true shredders are simple the Mike Romeos, Jason Beckers, and Marty Friedmans of guitar. -------------
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Posted By: Crafter
Date Posted: November 03 2005 at 17:23
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Vaï ! (G3 Live In Denver  )------------- Uh ? Oh, I see :D |
Posted By: Syndromet
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 02:26
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Hi again.
I can clearly see why you guys don't consider Vai, blackmore and even petrucci shreaders. My list does not only include pure shredders, but also some people who ocationaly shreads, as the guitarist mentioned abowe. Some of Petruccis work with LTE and his solo-stuff contain a lot of shread, as does a lot of the early vai-songs. For the love of god, answers and attitudesong beeing good examples. What I'm asking is who do you think is the best shreader, when they use their ability to shread. That means they don't have to be fullblown shreaders.
I'm also happy to see Tore Ostby, my fellow landsman, get a vote. A realy underestimated guitarist. 
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Posted By: Syndromet
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 02:48
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I'm a newbie again! ------------- It is said to be the first Test-pressing of the corean release??
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Posted By: yesman72
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 02:57
| Blackmore is the father of shred. Vai, Satriani, Malmsteen and Friedman all kick ass too. |
Posted By: John Gargo
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 11:00
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Yngwie Malmsteen
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Posted By: Sam Fire
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 11:22
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Oh geez... check this guy out: Adam Fulara. I don't know if you want to call him "shred" exactly, but he is a very talented musician. Download some of videos, they absolutely are mindblowing! http://adam.fulara.com/ - http://adam.fulara.com/ ------------- THE DEMON CODE PREVENTS ME FROM DECLINING A ROCK-OFF CHALLENGE!!! |
Posted By: MegaMoog
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 16:48
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Posted By: Sinner
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 18:45
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Yngwie is hands down the winner. His arpeggios and progressions are melodic, flawlessly fast, and multi-modal. He is a total psycho shredder, to the point where few people even get what he's doing. The critics hate Yngwie - they prefer a garage band sound like Neil Young because it's "honest" and is slow enough for their dim-witted understanding. There is no doubt Malmsteen is playing from his soul, there is no way you could get that fast and good without putting your heart into the guitar. Satriani and Van Halen are fantastic too. Steve Vai put me to sleep in a live performance. Petrucci frequently lacks melody and his shredding ends up sounding pointless. He needs some more structure in his playing. That doesn't mean to slow it down. Sorry DT fans. Ritchie Blackmore is also one of the greatest, but I'm voting for Michael Schenker because someone has to!
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Posted By: Danny
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 19:40
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Sorry sinner but for multi-modal please read poddle haired bell end. Malmsteen has got a great technique but melodically my arse sounds better after after a night on the Guiness. All the guys mentioned are good I am not for one second going to dispute that but I am dissapointed that nobody has mentioned the 'Thunder from Down Under' That is Frank Gambale. I dont really like a lot of his songs but for speed and technique this bloke blows Malmsteen out of the water. You could mention Allan Holdsworth in the same breath as they are both fusion players but Gambale has a much more straight forward rock feel to his playing than Holdsworth. Micheal D'Angelo, fret board deiety as he likes to be known ? ha ha. I mean come on, has this bloke ever seen Spinal Tap or what. I have never heard him but hopefully he lives up to his choosen monicker.
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Posted By: Sinner
Date Posted: November 04 2005 at 23:33
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Also should be considered: Michael Weikath (Helloween) Timo Tolkki (Stratovarius) Randy Rhoads (Ozzy Osbourne) Dave Murray (Iron Maiden) Kai Hansen (Gamma Ray) Zakk Wylde (Ozzy Osbourne) Basically, there are so many phenomenal lead guitar shredders it's ridiculous. If I was "The Edge" I'd be embarrassed to go on stage with any of these guys.
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: November 05 2005 at 10:12
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Mr. Petrucci.
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