Prog Metal-Like It or Don’t Like It?

I LOVE IT ULKULK!

I Like it.

have to be honest, of what I've heard (which isn't much) I don't really care for it.  I will make an honest effort to get into it someday.

stonebeard wrote: BaldFriede wrote: stonebeard wrote: MikeEnRegalia and Progtologist: As I understand it, you two (if there are others, this includes you to) are working on the organization of prog-metal. I agree with this. I think one of the propositions Mike made in the original thread in the Prog Music Lounge, to make "Prog Metal" a seperate entitiy from "Prog Rock" yet still include it on this site, is a great idea. Even if that is not what you plan on specifically doing, I support your project fully. Carry on. Sorry, but that's nothing than an attempt to have and eat your cake. Either prog-metal is a part of progressive rock, then no separation is necessary, or it isn't, then what the hell does it in here? I think prog metal and progressive rock are closely and undeniably linked. Many people who like prog metal bands like Opeth and Dream Theater come to PA and discover bands like Yes, Marillion, Symphony X and others, thus increasing PROGRESSIVE ROCK's overall fanbase. So, I believe for that reason, prog metal should be kept on this site. Since it's here, why don't we try to organize it for the convenience of the readers? This is logical to me.

You miss my point. For convenience of the reader genrés like symphonic prog or art-rock are way overdue of a reworking. Why don't we tackle them all? Would this have been suggested, with the ones who proposed a splitting-up of prog-metal volunteering for prog-metal, I would have been all for it. But the way it was done it was only to direct some spotlight at prog-metal. I repeat: Why did those who suggested splitting up prog-metal not suggest a general overhauling of genrés and volunteer for prog-metal? That's what I would have called some improvement of the site, and I would have supported it immediately and would have applauded them. The current suggestion is just an attempt of prog-metal heads to get more attention for their genré.

And I repeat: This has nothing whatever to do with my liking or not-liking of prog-metal; I just see an imbalance to the site if we follow the given suggestion. I would say just the same if someone suggested to split up any other sub-genré of prog. This is not the prog metal archives, nor is it the Zheul archives or the Krautrock archives. Either we split them all up or none.

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BaldFriede wrote: stonebeard wrote: MikeEnRegalia and Progtologist: As I understand it, you two (if there are others, this includes you to) are working on the organization of prog-metal. I agree with this. I think one of the propositions Mike made in the original thread in the Prog Music Lounge, to make "Prog Metal" a seperate entitiy from "Prog Rock" yet still include it on this site, is a great idea. Even if that is not what you plan on specifically doing, I support your project fully. Carry on. Sorry, but that's nothing than an attempt to have and eat your cake. Either prog-metal is a part of progressive rock, then no separation is necessary, or it isn't, then what the hell does it in here?

I think prog metal and progressive rock are closely and undeniably linked. Many people who like prog metal bands like Opeth and Dream Theater come to PA and discover bands like Yes, Marillion, Symphony X and others, thus increasing PROGRESSIVE ROCK's overall fanbase. So, I believe for that reason, prog metal should be kept on this site. Since it's here, why don't we try to organize it for the convenience of the readers? This is logical to me.

I think prog-metal is great, though not my favorite genre

It is half-baked, because you concentrate on prog-metal only; I already outlined how it should have been done. What would have been wrong with a suggestion like the one I gave and volunteering for prog-metal on your side? You would still have got what you wanted, if reorganizing prog-metal was your goal, but you would have included the bigger aim of a reorganistaion of the whole site. But no, you had to make some ballyhoo about prog-metal. Once more: This is NOT because I dislike prog-metal, it is because of your lopsided approach for a reorganisation of the site. Read the proposal of mine again, as I think yours should have been; you would have had my full support then.

No, I am upset because this is clearly not an attempt to reorganize the site for the better (for that something like I wrote would have been the appropriate move), it is just making ballyhoo for prog-metal. And, by the way, I would have opposed it the same way, had someone started something like this for Krautrock or any other genré. If we are to re-organise the site, fine; I'm all for it. But don't start a half-baked and half-hearted attempt like this.

TheProgtologist wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Too few choices. I would have voted for something like "it's ok, but overrated". And lately some people are trying to turn this site into a prog-metal site, which I don't approve of. Speaking for myself,I am not trying to turn thus into a prog metal site.I am just trying to help make the prog metal section,which I think is very disorganized,a little more organized. While I think you are a very knowledgeable and intelligent person,you are pretty biased towards music you don't like.Well,let me say it this way...you are pretty biased towards prog metal.If it's not some obscure RIO,Zeuhl,Krautrock music you basically don't want to heard about it.Bad attitude to have,you ought to be a little more open than that.

Nowhere did I say I don't like prog-metal, and it is not relevant at all whether I like it or not. I'll repeat what I said in another thread:

I'll restate my opinion: The whole project was started badly. If we go re-organizing sub-genrés at all, then let's tackle the big ones first (Art Rock and Symphonic). At least the proposal should have been something like this:

I propose that we reorganize the genrés a little by subdividing the genrés further. We need volunteers for reorganising:

Art Rock
Symphonic
Krautrock
Prog-Metal
etc.

I myself volunteer for prog-metal. The way it is done now is extremely lopsided. Thius is not the prog-metal archives.

This I would have fully appreciated. But I reject the way Mike went about it. It is lopsided and nothing but a big ballyhoo about prog-metal.

Had Mike started a thread like that, he would have had my full support. But the way he went about it - pfui.

BaldFriede wrote: Too few choices. I would have voted for something like "it's ok, but overrated". And lately some people are trying to turn this site into a prog-metal site, which I don't approve of.

Speaking for myself,I am not trying to turn thus into a prog metal site.I am just trying to help make the prog metal section,which I think is very disorganized,a little more organized.

While I think you are a very knowledgeable and intelligent person,you are pretty biased towards music you don't like.Well,let me say it this way...you are pretty biased towards prog metal.If it's not some obscure RIO,Zeuhl,Krautrock music you basically don't want to heard about it.Bad attitude to have,you ought to be a little more open than that.