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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 19:12

 

Yes, I know that 2 books. A friend (from who i brought my mellotron) had them. I was looking at them and seems pretty good but i think they are now out of print. I have other books like Vintage synthesizers by Mark Vail (very good) and the Mellotron book by Frank Samagaio (a little deceptive,i was expecting more).

Yes, I own my mellotron M400 s/n 719 since 1998 and i loved it since the day one. It's a classic sound.I have 1 tape rack only with the string section,pipe organ and 8 voices choir sound but i am waiting for another tape rack with the 3 violins, flute and mixed choir.My mellotron used to belong to the Quebec prog group Morse Code in the 80's and did the album Code Breaker in the beginning of the 80's and a canadian tour with Asia(where Morse Code was the open act). I rented mine one time for the jazz group Medesky, Martin and Wood during the Montreal jazz festival in 2003. I received a lot of demands for renting it but they are fragile machines and I rent it only when it's worth it.

I have a Hammond organ, model L-112, a Wurlitzer electric piano and a Clavia Nord Lead.I have begin a new band one month ago with a very good guitarist/bassist and we have write 2 pieces since then.We will recording it during the next weeks and write others.We are very influenced by the italian groups like Museo Rosenbach and Il Balletto di Bronzo but with "Quebecois " lyrics, a little like Quebec band Pollen. We are also influenced by others Quebec bands like Harmonium, Maneige and Sloche.

 

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 18:46
il vote for the mellotron because of the really haunting sounds it can create  like in "the court of the crimson king"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 18:23
No, no, I am to blame and it's a genuine Freudian slip! These two books (A-M and N-Z) are really worth to check out for keyboard aficionados, like you I presume?! By the way, do you own also a Mellotron? This year a progrock dream will come true because I'm going to visit a musician who owns a Mellotron. After playing on a Minimoog, Memorymoog and Ribbon Controller and the Hammond B3 (I only know some chords, I'm less than an amateur but a die-hard Tronmaniac and vintage keyboard aficionado), I'm thrilled, for me the Mellotron is progrock!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 18:15

 

 I just realized that you taken this information on a synthesizer book,Erik. So...you're not to blame.

If the guy who wrote the book say that information, he doesn't know the mellotron and must be ashamed.

For the anecdotes side from Rick Wakeman, he burned 4 M400 in a court yard fire during the 80's.He said the these machines ruined so many sessions that they got what they deserved.But now, he would like to have a Mark VI (the Mellotron Archives newest model), so he seems to have change his idea on something that he qualify before as" piece of junk".



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 18:07

You are right, Pierreoliver, my 8 minutes were a Freudian slip because I wished that it was 8 minutes instead of 8 seconds  .! And you ar also right about the superiority from the Mellotron above the Birotron, I love that moving instrument so much !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 17:58

[QUOTE=erik neuteboom] the Melllotron only 8 minutes.

I think you mean 8 seconds.

I vote for the mellotron for sure, as a owner of this wonderful instrument. The Birotron is a very underground machine only used by Wakeman(who finance the instrument) and Earthstar. The sound of the Birotron is very thin compare to the lush sound of the mellotron. Just listen to the strings in "Don't kill the whale". The tapes in the Birotron are the same as those 70's 8 tracks cassette and they are very thin, and have 8 tracks on a little strip of tape. The tape in the mellotron are a lot larger (1/4 of inch.) and are only 3 tracks in the majority of the mellotrons models (the only exception is the M300 where the tapes are thinner, this model is used by Barclay James Harvest).All the others models used 1/4 inch. tapes.

The Birotron ,IMO have more in common with the Orchestron,an instrument that uses transparent plastic discs instead of tape( the orchestron is used by Steve Hackett and Kraftwerk). You can play as long as you want but the sound is pretty thin indeed compared to the mellotron sound.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 17:05
I just checked the book "The A-Z of analogue synthesizers from Peter Forrest and read: the Birotron (1975-1978) went never in full commercial production. It was used by Earthstar and Rick Wakeman. It contains using loops instead of finate tapes so you can hold a note as long as you wants (no rewinding), the Melllotron only 8 minutes. By the way, the rumour is that Rick was so frustrated about the technical and commercial difficulties that he once kicked a Birotron off stage and left it there...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 14:52

Originally posted by MegaMoog MegaMoog wrote:

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Could you give some examples of albums / songs where the Birotron is being used?


Rick wakeman may have been the only man to ever use one,I know he used they on Yes's Tormato and a solo album Criminal Record. If there are other please forgive me for not knowing

I DONT KNOW IF WAKEMAN WAS THE ONLY TO USE IT... BUT THE EXAMPLES ARE RIGHT

AND ABOUT THE POLL... I CHOOSE MELLOTRON


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 14:50

Originally posted by MegaMoog MegaMoog wrote:

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Could you give some examples of albums / songs where the Birotron is being used?


Rick wakeman may have been the only man to ever use one,I know he used they on Yes's Tormato and a solo album Criminal Record. If there are other please forgive me for not knowing

I forgive you, naturally. There are some Moog-like sounds on both albums you mentioned which I REALLY like, but I don't suppose that they have anything to do with the Birotron.

So one vote for the Mellotron!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 14:42
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Could you give some examples of albums / songs where the Birotron is being used?


Rick wakeman may have been the only man to ever use one,I know he used they on Yes's Tormato and a solo album Criminal Record. If there are other please forgive me for not knowing
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2005 at 14:32
Could you give some examples of albums / songs where the Birotron is being used?
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