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In reading the OP's question, I'd say the answer would have to be No.  

First, ProgMetal is not a mix of metal and prog, it's metal taking a progressive approach to music.   In other words progmetal does not often sound like Yes meets Exodus.

Second, incredible as it may seem now, early heavy metal ~ Blue Cheer, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, the Scorps, Judas Priest, etc. ~ was an outgrowth of the progressive rock movement in the late '60s, not just the hard rock scene around the same time, giving license to push & expand the different threads of rock 'n roll that had emerged and then diverged into what was later termed "progressive" or "heavy" or "psychedelic".
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Yes, and at one time it required a violinist named David Cross and had some jazz mixed in with it.
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ALL metal is a fusion genre. Prog metal included.

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To me it seems obvious to me that prog metal was influenced by prog rock to a degree, though to what extent I'm not sure. Was it just them taking inspiration from the "prog movement" and applying its advances to metal, or was it more "let's do prog, but metal".
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^ Actually, I was questioning your take, not judging.

Dream Theater is quite a mixed bag. They "use" metal as a dominant element, and they obviously have lots of pure "metallic" songs; but I agree with you in essence.

Prog metal is like the "advanced" or more sophisticated form of metal. I think they got the idea from prog rock. 

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Originally posted by Archisorcerus Archisorcerus wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

My personal opinion is the 'Metal' and 'Prog' and mutually exclusive.
I know that some 'Metal' bands have done songs with 'Prog elements.
But does that mean if a metal bands uses some polka elements it should be classified as metal polka?

That's for other's to debate, I say no.

And the difference of prog metal and prog rock in this regard is?..

I think prog metal took most of its elements from prog rock. Not sure about the exact origins (I know the history, but haven't given a proper thought about the issue), but Dream Theater are/were the most illustrious torchbearers of the genre and they were hugely influenced by Rush.
Well, I never say Prog Rock I say Prog or Progressive Rock. And the only reason the word rock comes into play (not rock & roll) is because of its standing as a dominant broad genre starting in the mid/late 60's. And yes, I know Rock & Roll begat Rock.

I see the two bands highlighted above to be more progressive bands than metal bands. Only DT uses metal elements waaaaay more than Rush.


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I guess is a matter of personal interpretation. I think every genre, after some time, develops the need for pushing beyond it’s boundaries, unless it’s destined to go into total oblivion. 
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

My personal opinion is the 'Metal' and 'Prog' and mutually exclusive.
I know that some 'Metal' bands have done songs with 'Prog elements.
But does that mean if a metal bands uses some polka elements it should be classified as metal polka?

That's for other's to debate, I say no.

And the difference of prog metal and prog rock in this regard is?..

I think prog metal took most of its elements from prog rock. Not sure about the exact origins (I know the history, but haven't given a proper thought about the issue), but Dream Theater are/were the most illustrious torchbearers of the genre and they were hugely influenced by Rush.
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My personal opinion is the 'Metal' and 'Prog' and mutually exclusive.
I know that some 'Metal' bands have done songs with 'Prog elements.
But does that mean if a metal bands uses some polka elements it should be classified as metal polka?

That's for other's to debate, I say no.
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Is Prog Metal simply a mix of metal and prog rock in the same way jazz fusion is a mix of jazz and rock, or country rap is a fusion of country and rap? Or is it a legitimate progression of metal that builds upon and/or subverts established trends of the genre in the same way that the original progressive rock had continuity with the (mostly) psychedelic rock bands of the 60s?
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