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I like Dave Kerman too. Tatsuya Yoshida and Chris Cutler have been a couple other of my favourite drummers and creative talents that work as cornerstone.

Those 3 for me too, and they've all be involved in a number of different bands and have run at least one, Yoshida has been involved in a ridiculous amount of creative bands.


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One issue I’d have with adopting Peart as the cornerstone of my band now is that he died. My choice would me more lively. I thought about someone who I thought would work well now for the kind of music I like. In terms of creativity when it comes to drummers, Christian Vander comes to mind (though I would rather go for someone a little younger for longevity). I think it would be very hard to convince me that Pearl has supplied more creativity than all the other drummers. He wouldn’t have been my choice as a dream go-to but to each their own. I don’t think he’s the most creative or versatile, and am not that big on Rush.

I like Dave Kerman too. Tatsuya Yoshida and Chris Cutler have been a couple other of my favourite drummers and creative talents that work as cornerstone.

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^ Have to admit that's a name I haven't come across before.

If we are going down the drummer being the cornerstone of the band and also being able to supply creativity then Neil Peart is so far out in front its ridiculous. More the question is , why on earth wouldn't you want this guy?! 
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I’d probably have to go with Dave Kerman from 5UU’s. He’s a totally phenomenal, but underrated, drummer and composer. Another go-to would be Gavin Harrison, arguably one of the greatest drummers ever. Lastly, Steven Wilson … the guy is amazing.
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 if there was ONE PERSON, that would fit this thread, it would be EDGAR FROESE, specially as he commandeered so many versions of the band, and it seemed like it always got better, when you watch the videos of so many of their shows. Not to mention that the music itself is incredible.

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One funny bit ... sort of. When David Bowie was in Berlin, he wanted BADLY to have Edgar play guitar on one song or two, but DB was having problems finding his "voice" in the song according to the producer, and eventually EF left and told DB that this was his music and he could not add a whole lot to it, and make it better. AND, I think that Edgar did not like the idea of a "song" limiting his ability to fly, and I think this is the part that DB underestimated, although it did not seem to bother Mr. Fripp in one song when he pretty much solo'd all the way through it ... Heroes. And I bet that DB requested that, to help him define the piece of music.

David Bowie might be another good choice for the "supergosh" idea!
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 if there was ONE PERSON, that would fit this thread, it would be EDGAR FROESE, specially as he commandeered so many versions of the band, and it seemed like it always got better, when you watch the videos of so many of their shows. Not to mention that the music itself is incredible.

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I've thought about this over many years, and my main "cornerstone" prog musician would have to be John Wetton! 

The guy could do it all...from glam (Roxy Music) to Genesis covers (his amazing work with Steve Hackett) and everything in between!!  

Having seen him with LTIA era KC, Asia, and UK, I was always impressed at his talent for singing his heart out while playing complicated, fast lines on bass guitar!  

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Clap After I originally posted my choice (Emerson) I went away and thought about it and then came up with John Wetton as another great choice. Such a fantastic bass player but also one of the great English baritone's voices in rock music. 
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I think that William D. Drake would be a good choice. He is an accomplished songwriter and musician with competent solo albums and has been involved in various projects where he wasn't the lead or "main" composer. He seems affable and is experienced but still youthful and healthy to my knowledge.

For his group name, I rather like The Fishmongers ("We fish bring").
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[QUOTE=BrufordFreak][QUOTE=Manuel]Martin Barre. An underrated orchestrator, who can go from blues to rock, classic, jazz, etc.

Sadly, this is an artist that is brought up frequently that I do not appreciate well enough. If it weren't so much for the fact that I find Jethro Tull music so irritating, I might explore more. Do you have any suggestions of his play outside of Tull?


If you find Tull's music irritating, then you won't like Martin Barre, because he is prominent in every Tull album from 1970-2011.

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well...I'm a Crimson fan so I would probably say Fripp.....other than him I would pick Steven Wilson...assuming he would commit to doing a prog thing for more than an album.  ;)

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I don't think that Kate would bother with SW ... my guess is that he is about the song and how it sounds to his ear, and for Kate, it is mostly about how she sees herself in the song, as if it were an actress doing their work. I don't see her even thinking about him. It reminds me of SW doing the live thing with Ninet ... and he doesn't have the guts to even try that a 2nd time, not the same but similar, allowing the lady the freedom she needs to express herself, which I think she came up with, not him! He doesn't have that side in him, that scary anger ... he's too English for that (right!!!! next ..... ).

I look at SW as someone that doesn't know music and how to interpret his words and meanings. I think that if he concentrated on music alone, it would be more consistent and better, but his words seem to put a stop to that. They prevent him from "tripping", so to speak, but maybe this is something he doesn't want to do anymore since he did it for so many years, and now the music has "less meaning" than it did then, in regards to tripping and dreaming! (how time flys ... ).

But I suppose that Kate would be nice to head a supergroup, and include some folks like Eberhard Weber, Steve Gadd and some other folks that have colored her music so well ... but I would imagine that it will just tire her too much and take away from the music itself ... she's about her poetry and making it come alive, not really about anything else, and I kinda think that the "song" part is just an addon, and many times not necessary at all.
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Well...I'm a Crimson fan so I would probably say Fripp.....other than him I would pick Steven Wilson...assuming he would commit to doing a prog thing for more than an album.  ;)
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

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I'd probably go with Chris Cutler, the drummer of Henry Cow, he's got beautiful technique, has played with a ton of different bands and style, from what I've read he'd been a good organizer.
A very interesting choice, but one that would limit the kind of music that would be played and thus who else could feature in the band. Make no bones about it, Cutler views the music of mainstream prog bands like ELP, Yes, King Crimson and GG as very much beneath him, and he would not be involved with a project which had that kind of music in scope.


Well it is MY supergroup
True enough! I would actually be interested to hear who else would get into it.

Chris Cutler - Drums
Robert Fripp - Guitar
Michel Berckmans - Bassoon/Oboe
Carla Kihlstedt - Violin
William Kopecky - Bass
Dave Stewart - Keys
Lars Hollmer - Accordion
Shabaka Hutchins - Sax
Geordie Greep - vocals
Wow, quite an amazing roster...I find it hard to envisage how they would sound, but it would be one glorious cacophony.

Possibly enlivened by the occasional fist fight.


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@mosh: In fact I have no idea how Jaki would work with Kate, which is a reason why I'd love to try it out. There is something in Jaki's style that seems alien to Kate's approach, but then he has the "breathing" that Kate has as a singer and her songs have, but I don't locate in the drumming on most of her material. Who knows?

Peter Leopold is a hugely underrated great drummer, but I've got to say that Danny hasn't impressed me that much. They have worked well as a team though.  
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

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The next candidate is from my favourite band, Jaki Liebezeit of Can. Outside Can Jaki has done a lot of stuff (very little if anything of which is on PA).
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So I have my band headed by a surprise (?) selection, namely Kate Bush. Of course Kate is only known for her solo work, but many good musicians have contributed to it, so she can play well in a team, too, and I'd really be super curious what she could come up with having behind her a band full of prog genuises with their own strong ideas.
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Rather odd combination, when hearing Kate's album 50 WORDS FOR SNOW, which has a couple of songs that do not have a "beat" and one drummer does great on them, something that I like to use as examples when people talk about "great sticklers" that can't do anything but keep time! BUT, Jaki would make it right, and you can hear it on FUTURE DAYS, and then SOON OVER BABALUMA, when the drumming adds to the music, by not keeping time or a beat ... but simply adding touches that furthers the moment of the keyboard ... something that the majority of drummers never learn ... afraid that they would lose the beat or worse, throw off the poor musicians in front of them, when they are not sharp enough and rehearsed enough to know how to pick things up when the lamp fell down and shattered on the stage. It's about the music, not the beat. You certainly don't hear a lot of "drumming" in music history for centuries, and now we are considering some of them "excellent" and those guys can't do music without a beat! 

I suppose that I would like to choose Jaki, but I prefer the duo of Peter Leopold and Danny F in AD2, who seemed to made things work just fine, and you can't even tell that there are two of them in there, though sometimes it is not listed as both of them, and one of them went to visit the group next door (Popol Vuh) and so on!
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Hi,

It's strange ... I don't think that I have acquired many albums over the last 50+ years, based on one person only, and my choice, is not based on one talent, but on ALL the talents by all the folks involved.

In other words, it is the "group" working together that matters to me the most, not just one player. I shudder to think that Rick was better than the rest of the band, or that Keith was better than the rest of the band, or that Peter was better than the band, although some folks will probably state that Ian was better than the band since he continued to do his stuff with different musicians and still made it work!

IF, I have a choice, the group I would choose would be Amon Duul 2 .... but only a specific period ... from YETI, to DANCE OF THE LEMMINGS, to CARNIVAL IN BABYLON, to WOLF CITY, and then VIVE LA TRANCE. Those 5 albums show something that is rare for most bands, specially one that was so independent of its own "style" and simply did what they wanted, and some of that stuff is phenomenal. And at this time, the Live album LIVE IN LONDON shows a very good band on top of it!

Hard to say all this, as I could easily say the same thing about CAN, and then TANGERINE DREAM ... and if there was ONE PERSON, that would fit this thread, it would be EDGAR FROESE, specially as he commandeered so many versions of the band, and it seemed like it always got better, when you watch the videos of so many of their shows. Not to mention that the music itself is incredible.


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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I'd probably go with Chris Cutler, the drummer of Henry Cow, he's got beautiful technique, has played with a ton of different bands and style, from what I've read he'd been a good organizer.
A very interesting choice, but one that would limit the kind of music that would be played and thus who else could feature in the band. Make no bones about it, Cutler views the music of mainstream prog bands like ELP, Yes, King Crimson and GG as very much beneath him, and he would not be involved with a project which had that kind of music in scope.


Well it is MY supergroup
True enough! I would actually be interested to hear who else would get into it.

Chris Cutler - Drums
Robert Fripp - Guitar
Michel Berckmans - Bassoon/Oboe
Carla Kihlstedt - Violin
William Kopecky - Bass
Dave Stewart - Keys
Lars Hollmer - Accordion
Shabaka Hutchins - Sax
Geordie Greep - vocals





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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I'd probably go with Chris Cutler, the drummer of Henry Cow, he's got beautiful technique, has played with a ton of different bands and style, from what I've read he'd been a good organizer.
A very interesting choice, but one that would limit the kind of music that would be played and thus who else could feature in the band. Make no bones about it, Cutler views the music of mainstream prog bands like ELP, Yes, King Crimson and GG as very much beneath him, and he would not be involved with a project which had that kind of music in scope.


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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

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Martin Barre. An underrated orchestrator, who can go from blues to rock, classic, jazz, etc.

Sadly, this is an artist that is brought up frequently that I do not appreciate well enough. If it weren't so much for the fact that I find Jethro Tull music so irritating, I might explore more. Do you have any suggestions of his play outside of Tull?

Try his solo output. The Martin Barre bad is quite remarkable. “Back to Steel” and “The Road Less Traveled” don’t have any Tull songs, and Martin’s own writings.
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

I'd probably go with Chris Cutler, the drummer of Henry Cow, he's got beautiful technique, has played with a ton of different bands and style, from what I've read he'd been a good organizer.
A very interesting choice, but one that would limit the kind of music that would be played and thus who else could feature in the band. Make no bones about it, Cutler views the music of mainstream prog bands like ELP, Yes, King Crimson and GG as very much beneath him, and he would not be involved with a project which had that kind of music in scope.


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