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Jacob Schoolcraft
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 22 2021 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 1113 |
Posted: December 24 2021 at 23:45 | ||||
When a wealthy organization is suspected of plotting or influencing a murder to happen it is often considered a conspiracy theory. This term is awkward and is applied to theories about a crime that is based on circumstantial evidence. This usually involves police investigation into a theory that can be true but cannot be physically proven. ..................... ......................................................................................................................................................................................................It's complicated because a police investigation can in fact involve pursuing several leads prior to solving a case. The obvious evidence left behind can sometimes lead to an innocent person's conviction and certain murder cases historically are set up by the murderer to be deceitful by placing the blame on someone else and typically known as framework.,.............. .......... ....................................................................In cases where a murder is thought to be a ritualistic killing the aforementioned patterns are common to occur. One particular ritual killing took place at Menantico in June 1971 and several individuals who were interrogated , acquitted or convicted were residents in my hometown Vineland, New Jersey. In high school many kids in my age group were paranoid about a dangerous cult called the "Menantico Cult". The rumors began when kids in my age group went camping there , returning to school and privately sharing their experience with friends completely out of fear. Some people in the past have stated that the "Menantico Cult Killing " was a introduction to the Satanic Panic scare of the 80s. It isn't. There's no need to make that comparison. .......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................A typical weekend camping expedition at Menantico was telling. It usually began after you settled in around the fire. It began with the sound of sing-song chanting, eventually developing into a chant which transformed the sound into screaming. You could not tell in which direction the sound traveled from because of the improbable acoustics at Menantico. Then you would hear the sound of people pounding on drums which actually turned out to be 55 gallon oil barrels. There were other incidents where friends were hiding behind trees watching them. They had unusual sex parties. They dressed in robes and they wore masks out of horror films. This was very creepy. In school they were respected for being exceptional students and most adults did not have any suspicious nature about them whatsoever. We all knew something was dreadfully wrong with them and their ability to hide it was even more scary. This mostly occurred and was discussed between us in 1970. In June of 71' one of the cult members asked his 2 closest friends to tie and bound his hands and feet and push him into "Clear Pond" at Menantico so he could die violently and return as a captain to rule over 40 leagues of demons.,................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Instead of rising from the dead..he drowned and his 2 friends were charged with murder. One of the victim's friends told Charles Pangburn, chief of the Millville Police that the victim belonged to a Satan worshippers sect. At first the police thought it was a very isolated situation but after they searched the Menantico area and the victim's room they had a different idea. Somewhere Pangburn had information or an idea that many people had witnessed the victim's death. An unusually large group of people. After the victim's 2 friends were incarcerated Pangburn spent 2 years interrogating wealthy individuals belonging to a sect . He interrogated members of Lilith Sinclair's group and a church in Vineland because he suspected these people practiced "Duo Worship ". God in the day, Satan in the night. They were suspects in the murder and accused of being behind it. ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................They had revolted against the Church Of Satan and formed their own sect in 1970 and traveled to the East coast of the U.S. Two years later the Temple Of Set was formed. Charles Pangburn interrogated several wealthy individuals over a 2 year period and unable to prove they were physically there to witness the young man's sacrifice. In the end , the 2 boys were charged with the crime and the theory of a large group was set aside. In the summer of 71' between 80 to 90 teenage devil worshippers in Vineland were converted to Christianity and they all met in Landis Park to give their testimonies. Interestingly they belonged to different Satan cults in Vineland and claimed they did not know the victim or the Menantico cult. A Christian community moved to Vineland and when I returned to school in the Fall of 71' they were following us when we walked home from school. They were persistent in convincing us that there was a dangerous cult in Vineland practicing rituals on people. We were already aware of this , but they insisted on walking us home and protecting us. They were everywhere it seemed. They were "Born Again " Christians and they were fixated on digging for information that they felt we were refusing to divulge. It was almost as if they were in on the investigation. .........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................
The N.Y. Times , Miami Times, the Vineland Times Journal made it more apparent to everyone that this was a Satan cult killing and that drugs were involved as if that means anything to the people that witnessed these lunatics at Menantico dancing around fires, pounding on oil barrels and wearing robes and masks. There is no scientific proof of demons or the supernatural, but people have hid and watched these groups from a safe distance. They were sadistic individuals and upsetting to the locals. Although I find it rather disappointing that it cannot be proven. Just because you can't prove it doesn't mean it's not true. The difficulty in the victim's case revolves around the historical fact that his sacrifice was directly tied in with Christian demons. In his belief that his self-sacrifice would engender the protection/aid of Christian demons. His references are part of a Judeo-Christian concept derived from medieval theologians. The use of human sacrifice is older than recorded history and the use of such a sacrifice to gain power can be found in the Bog Burials. Also in the James G. Frazier classic "The Golden Bough" .........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................In the film "Menantico Blues" the Menantico cult killing is discussed. The first 10 minutes of the film covers the ritual killing and the kind of occult practice that existed in Vineland. The actors imitate the voices of the typical family living in Menantico. The voices are that of mountain people and quite silly and even annoying. Eventually it is brought to the viewers attention that a wealthy organization was behind the ritual and matching up to the story that many of us heard in our youth. ...so even though the film is silly much of what is said is true imo...but it cannot be proven . The film is on You Tube and is free. It's the first time the story has been covered aside from people from my generation that sighted the cult long ago and have finally shared what they witnessed at Menantico. ,............................................................................................... ............I actually do not know what to think about this. It was another lifetime. It felt real, but the newspaper wasn't totally accurate. Edited by Jacob Schoolcraft - December 25 2021 at 00:01 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 24 2021 at 23:21 | ||||
No sh*t. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Hugh Manatee
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Posted: December 24 2021 at 22:51 | ||||
Unfortunately this can be more difficult than it sounds, the Internet only seving to exacerbate the problem. A quick google search for Dr. Noak brings up site after site of hysterical posts using inflammatory language supporting the "murder" theory, with nary a dissenting or opposing opinion to be found (the echo chamber in full force). Whether this is because the story hasn't quite entered the mainstream or because opposing opinions are simply being overwhelmed by the passion of those advocating this theory, is difficult to assertain at the moment. After all, it is passion rather than logic that fuels and drives most conspiracy theories and logic can appear very weak in the face of passion. What does seem apparent to me is that the internet, which was intended in large part as a way to diseminate information, has instead given a soapbox for the loudest idiots to spread misinformation.
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 24 2021 at 17:32 | ||||
And that's the point isn't it: you're not as concerned about facts as you are impression, suggestion, inference, and a lack of curiosity about reality, or what is known as 'true facts', e.g. Mount Rushmore is in S. Dakota or that Elvis sold a lot of records. If this guy was assassinated by German Police (an unlikely premise to start, it's not 1939), don't you think I and many others would very much want to know that ? That some of us are actually interested in the truth regardless of where it leads and if a European nation is killing doctors, that information might be.. oh, I don't know.. good to have ? Especially for other democracies that might find that alarming ? Do you believe governments have in their possession artifacts and technologies made by non-Earth civilizations? If true, would that be good to know about or better to not know about ? It's not what the truth is, it's making sure you have it or are doing everything possible to have it before you start spouting half-informed and reactionary claptrap which doesn't help anyone or any thing. Edited by Atavachron - December 24 2021 at 20:24 |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 24 2021 at 10:27 | ||||
Disinfo campaigns by alphabet agencies are amazingly well funded. It behooves one to do substantial research from myriad angles before coming to any conclusion. Unfortunately the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 LEGALIZED propaganda for the US to use against its own citizens. It was already legal to do so against the rest of the world. Noak stated before his murder that if he ended up dead that it would be a hit job.
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dr wu23
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Posted: December 24 2021 at 09:23 | ||||
Isn't that what a true conspiracy theorist would say....? |
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Hugh Manatee
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Posted: December 24 2021 at 03:40 | ||||
If you are suggesting that the term "conspiracy theory" is somehow a conspiracy itself, I don't agree. Rather than shut down logical discussion, conspiracy theories seem to be designed to foster argument. Conspiracy theories are a big money spinner for social network platforms and as such some of these platforms do all they can to promote these theories. Click bait at its most pernicious, only seeming to take a stance when the platform is used as a call to action, and even then only after the fact. There is always uncertainty and it is times of high uncertainty such as we are living through now that conspiracy theories have a particular attraction with the help not only of the social media platforms but through conspiracy entreprenuers. Conspiracy theory entrepreneurs such as Ike and Jones, who don't mind stirring the pot for their own financial benifit. Discussion is fine, however discussions with someone deep into conspiracy theory usually end up being a one way conversation. Conspiracy theorists do love an echo chamber. Edited by Hugh Manatee - December 24 2021 at 09:56 |
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Davesax1965
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Posted: December 24 2021 at 03:36 | ||||
Someone I knew spent some time working in a (UK) army hospital. "Section 8 cases", ie the loony ward.
One bloke seemed quite normal until he couldn't resist telling you about his pet theory to extract all the Earth's oil and thus solve the energy crisis. It was quite simple, you just attached four giant jet engines at the equator and spun the Earth faster, centrifugal force would force all the oil to the surface......... ... yes, whilst crushing everything on Earth, causing huge tidal waves and earthquakes.... plus it didn't seem very practical, to anyone but him, of course. Nonetheless, he, er, quite enthusiastically told everyone he met about it, morning, noon and night. "The keeper of secret knowledge which was going to make him fabulously rich. |
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: December 24 2021 at 02:39 | ||||
I did not know the guy died. I don't care when the raid happened. Breaking into a guys home and arresting him for what he was saying....is scary. Governments, world over are scaring folks because of Omnicron, and it is not killing anybody. How many people have died of Omnicron? Or should I say with Omnicron. The CDC Website admits that 95% of people die of Covid had comoridities. Go check out the CDC website. Things like brain tumors, failing kidneys, massive strokes. Plus the average death age is 80 years-old. The CDC does not count old-age as a comorbidity. I guess that's a conspiracy theory too. The term conspiracy theory is meant to shut down logical discussion. Edited by omphaloskepsis - December 24 2021 at 03:04 |
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Mascodagama
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Posted: December 24 2021 at 02:10 | ||||
Indeed. The raid was over a year ago. |
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Hugh Manatee
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Posted: December 23 2021 at 21:50 | ||||
I don't mind wacky conspiracy theories like that. They can be quite humorous at times and it is quite pointless to try to disprove them. When conspiracy theories become dangerous and harmful, is when conspiracy bullies like Alex Jones proposes that Sandy Hook was faked using "crises actors". These sorts of theories have real world consequences and should be opposed at every opportunity.
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tszirmay
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Posted: December 23 2021 at 21:21 | ||||
Then there is that wacko tiktok-er who humiliates anyone online who disagrees with her claim that the Roman Empire never existed and was invented only a hundred years ago. Furthermore , she claims that a "little town " like Rome could not have dominated the world. Wonder how she feels about Macedonia or Mongolia......But she is getting a gazillion views and likes !!!! Sad......
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 23 2021 at 21:15 | ||||
I thought that was debunked, any footage is from an unrelated raid a year earlier. His partner said heart attack. |
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Easy Money
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Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:47 | ||||
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Hugh Manatee
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Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:38 | ||||
I think it's got more to do with the certainty and dogma of belief versus the uncertainty inherent in the scientific method of appraisal but what would I know. I'm no Bertrand Russell
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omphaloskepsis
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Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:33 | ||||
I saw that video. Extremely sad and disturbing.
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:18 | ||||
That's definitely a better way to sum things up.
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:17 | ||||
There are many whistleblowers from various institutions who have reported just that. The compartmentalized pyramid structure which guarantees most don't see the entire scheme of things means most won't have the ability to connect the dots. Those who do are certainly targeted individuals. Um, who? Seriously? How about JFK, MLK Jr, Malcolm X. Another methodology is to confiscate and subject to poverty. Nikola Tesla, Raymond Royal Rife, Max Gerson and more recently Dr Andreas Noak, top carbon specialist of all of Germany who was warning about the elector-conductivity of graphene oxide in the jabs which is causing oxygen depletion through calcium ionization disruptions in tandem with high energy frequencies. He happened to be transmitting a live YouTube video explaining all of this while he was raided by the police and MURDERED. No theory here. Witnessed on livestream.
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:16 | ||||
^ I think he means smart people don't want trouble, and dumb ones are cowards.
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Easy Money
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Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:09 | ||||
^ Who sent the alleged "death threats" ?
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