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Posted By: BaldJean
Subject: conspiracy theories
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 08:33
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in the time of the internet the most absurd conspiracy theories come up. not just Qanon or voter fraud, there are even more bizarre ones, like for example "penguins don't exist", "koalas don't exist", "birds aren't real", "there is no gravity", "the earth is flat". and they all have followers. I am thinking about starting my own conspiracy theory - "women don't exist; they are just androids built by NASA". let's see how many followers I will get -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 08:41
I can't stand the nonsense of "conspiracy theories". They are all over the internet; maybe these so called "theorists" are actually all aliens from another dimension! If so, I hope they go back where they came from.
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 09:12
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Oh I have a better one, the real reason the left want to stop using oil is they think it's what lubricates the core and the mantle and that once we've used too much the core and mantle will start grinding together until the core stops, and that's why the world is getting hotter now, like a bearing that heats up in an un-oiled wheel. Not long after that gravity will start to disappear and we'll all end up floating off into space. #realspaceexploration Let the theories begin ! ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: suitkees
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 09:18
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According to the bible, didn't all humanity started with a conspiracy theory (well, just after it started...)? ------------- The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 09:24
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I'll write "my" conspiracy theory out of the thing that will first come into my mind. It'll take seconds, not even a minute. My thought process is commenced, now... All or most of the monumental figures of history are still alive. Even de deceased ones have been resurrected. Some serve the system, some are being punished with neverending torture. Even Adam and Eve are alive. And, they aren't even ancient, compared to the creatures who are eternal. Thousands of dooms occured, and out of each, hundreds of elites went to the space and are still visiting here. Some that are lost in the darkness of space became huge black eyed aliens. The above theory of mine was improvisation. Really. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 09:26
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The English footballer David Icke is a quite an interesting and dangerous personality. He believes that lizard people control our world. "Humanity is actually under the control of dinosaur-like alien reptiles called the Babylon Brotherhood who must consume human blood to maintain their human appearance." He thinks that the universe consists of vibrational energy. Apparently he had visited a psychic who told him that various truth would be revealed to him by the spirit world, which led to various prophecies, He is also someone who is listened to and has been on the anti-Covid-19-vaccine bandwagon, and has spread misinformation and dubious information. He has claimed that the vaccine is gene therapy and other things. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 09:31
yes, I know about him and even watched some of his videos. hilarious ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Logan wrote:Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 09:38
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Conspiracy theories seem to come about because of off the wall thoughts that usually stem from some strange belief that comes from misinterpretation of something else. In the case Logan mentions, someone told the fool that he would get messages from the spirits, and so he dubbed himself a prophet of kookiness. Religious tomes are another font of misinterpretation. You can make any scripture support any crazy idea you want. A great illustration of how things can be twisted to support anything you want is in the excellent series "Midnight Mass", a show I highly recommend, especially during the Halloween season. 5 years ago, this might have seemed far-fetched, but it's very believable now. ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 09:44
I haven't heard that one before. I know they existed during the '90s. I would see them in the trees in my backyard and I would frequently hear them at night. But I don't know if they exist anymore. I don't see them anymore and I don't even hear them anymore. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 09:54
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Verbs don't exist. The universe was designed to contain only nouns. The designer couldn't design a brain that would work in a noun-only universe and put codes in our brains to download files of verbs. Some people are in tune with how the universe actually operates and have evolved to speak and write using only nouns. A leader is prophesied to be born in the coming decades that will help us remove verbs from our minds and lead us to the path to the great nouns in the sky. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 09:56
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Speaking of misinterpretation, and a problem with religious writings is that they are often so ambiguous, can be interpreted in so many ways, I've spent many, many hours listening to Do (Applewhite) and related materials of the Heaven's Gate cult. Those people were prone to conspiracy thinking, and at the time heavens Gate got started the idea of aliens visiting us (maybe they have, I don't know), that God is an ET, that angels are astronauts etc., that religion came from such extraterrestrial sources but the truth was not understood, was not that far-out. They believed that the Earth was being controlled by Luciferians, aliens, who were those cast out by the aliens of the Kingdom of God, the evolutionary level above human. Ti and Do, the founders of Heaven's Gate, felt they were the two written about in prophecy come as a sort of saviours. They adapted biblical passages and other things that fit a narrative. I guess everyone wants to be special (we all are I would say), and for those dissatisfied with the world, wanting answers and surety where there is none, and wanting escape (I can identify with that), it had appeal. A lot of these conspiracy groups act like cults, and in those bubbles, ideas are reinforced and elaborated on. Many of these "wacky" conspiracy theorists (of course various conspiracies are true) think of themselves as sceptics, but lack the tools and/or will for rational scepticism/ critical thinking. Some people do deeper and deeper and deeper down these rabbitholes, and then close off things that don't fit their narrative (open to odd ideas that seem to fit, but not really open-minded). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 10:00
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Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 10:06
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But the problem now is, it seems like more people than ever are falling into these rabbit holes. A lot of it has to do with the access to so many forms of information and mis-information. It seems anyone can get a following anymore....Joe Rogan somehow went from being a comedian to a TV show host and now has a podcast where he fills up the ears of his listeners with false facts. He started the thing about taking the drug ivermectin to combat COVID. People heard that and started taking it instead of getting vaccinated, and ended up in the hospital from self-medicating. It just makes my head spin at how gullible people have become. ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 10:24
on the contrary: nouns don't exist. everything is a process and hence a verb. you are not sitting on a chair, you are sitting on a chair that is slowly rotting ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 10:51
^ Guy(s) and gal(s), today is the Dictionary Day. Respect the nouns and verbs! Imagine one rejects either langue or parole! Woudln't it be disastrous? 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 10:52
Remember, ignorance is bliss.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 10:52
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"Koalas/birds don't exist"...never heard of those!! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 10:58
Unbelievable! I was debunked in under a half hour!  ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 11:09
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 11:21
^^Gotta watch those bald lesbians, they're a smart bunch !  ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 16 2021 at 11:35
birds aren't real: koalas are just CGI: ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: October 17 2021 at 16:47
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A few years ago I read an article about a man whose grandson suffered from a severely debilitating form of autism, and who, convinced that the MMR vaccine was to blame for the child's condition, had made it his life mission to denounce the evils of vaccines all around the country. The reporter then interviewed the man's wife, who said that her husband's anti-vaccine activism had actually been very therapeutic and liberating for him, and it's not hard to see why: humans naturally tend to identify patterns even where none exist, and it feels more comforting to think of bad events in your life as having been bestowed upon you by malignant actors against whom you can lash out, rather than as a mere cruel twist of fate with no one to blame. The worldview of people who are deep in some conspiracy rabbit hole might seem extremely bleak and pessimistic, but in a strange way it's actually quite hopeful too: those people can clearly identify that there is a lot wrong with society, but they see all of it as the result of deliberate actions by a few evil men at the top, and believe that disposing of them will be enough to make society righteous and happy again. ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: TCat
Date Posted: October 17 2021 at 18:05
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Hopeful, definitely in a strange way. Yeah it made his life more hopeful. And he exercised his freedom to fight for something that he believed in. But, how much damage did his activism hurt those that believed him? I do understand what you are saying though as people do what they have to do in order to place the blame somewhere. And it sometimes even gets to the point that everything they hear and see ends up supporting what they want to believe. I think what you are saying is that it was still wrong for him to start this activism without really investigating things first, as you said, "identifying patterns even where none exist". People say it's their right to decide whether to get a vaccine or not. But when does the right to being able to live safely outweigh the rights to individual viewpoints. When do the facts become more important than unverified opinions? ------------- https://ibb.co/8x0xjR0" rel="nofollow"> |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 17 2021 at 20:33
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 17 2021 at 21:02
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I'm reminded me of a Doctor Who quote from the 70s (Tom Baker years, episode The Face of Evil). The Doctor: You know, the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views. Which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that need altering. This quote gained some interest with the rise of "alternative facts."
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 17 2021 at 21:33
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It's gotten to the point where most conspiracy theories have an opposing theory which discredits both, like 'We Have Secret Bases on Mars' vs. 'No One Has Ever Landed Anything on Mars', or, 'China on the Verge of War' vs. 'China on the Verge of Collapse' . It's become quite clear that almost all theories are wrong, misled, and by definition incorrect. Once one realizes this, it's all bullsh*t and one should go back to reading and being educated. The "Birds Aren't Real" video is very funny, BTW. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 01:43
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Guys space is fake earth is flat aliens are the government close it up! ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 03:12
Oh yeah, for certain. I don't mean to condone these views or the people who espouse them, I'm merely trying to understand their appeal. ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 06:17
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Some humor...... ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 06:24
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I sometimes wonder if part of the reason people dive into these rabbit holes is that they are seeking attention and this is the only way they can get it. Admittedly, my knowledge of human psychology is rather weak so I haven't thought that idea through enough. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 06:51
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I think loneliness and feelings of alienation are a factor, as well as general insecurity and obsessiveness. People want answers, they want to feel special in their arcane knowledge (they know something others don't-- they see it where others don't). Things feel wrong to people and they want answers. They want to feel secure in having certain knowledge that most do not possess. People look for patterns. And then they look for community with like-minded individuals. This leads to confirmation bias and going deeper and deeper. It could be powerful to feel that something is fundamentally wrong with general understanding, the truth is out there and we have discovered the truth. It's a kind of empowerment -- being special. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 07:48
From Firesign skit.......... 'Hello there Seeker, now don't feel alone 'cause there's a Seeker born every minute here in the New Age.' ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 07:58
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 08:46
To be clear...NO ONE is ever going to study such a thing given it's eugenics implications. But it's always in my mind. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 09:26
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Belief in CT's is really just based in an inability, by the individual to accept that, sometimes sh*t just happens. They take comfort in believing that there is an order and structure to what are often random and unconnected events. That reality is even more frightening to some, than the existence of a powerful cabal pulling the strings, because if there is a cabal, it can be potentially exposed and destroyed. Random events are just that, and therefore beyond control. This can be terrifying for some. It is important however to differentiate between conspiracy theories, and actual conspiracies. The definition of conspiracy is - more or less - two or more people, meeting in secret to agree and elicit a beneficial outcome to them. That happens every day within every multinational business and every government. It has to. That's how it's done. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 10:00
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I've often found that people that believe in CT are often the very suspicious, bordering on paranoid, types. So, it's not a great stretch for them to see plots where they don't exist. At least that's what I've found in my personal experiences. The whole Q-anon phenomenon was right up their alley. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 10:09
The Greenpeace authorities also believe that if they/we dispose of the owners of companies such as Shell, we will live happily ever after. Same shallowness, if you ask me. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 10:54
Have you ever heard any of them saying that? I'd be surprised.
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 10:56
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One of the craziest ones that I heard during the pandemic claimed there was some cosmic convergence of the universe happening in early 2021 & the vaccine was some massive international plot to keep us from communing with the universe ( something like that) Not sure why they didn't want us to commune with the universe , they couldn't explain that part.
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Posted By: Shadowyzard
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 11:00
^ I've read some of their documents, written for idiots. Asking for support for eliminating the evil entities whom I mentioned. Though, honestly, I'm not sure if it is their general policy/way. I was a bit pretentious here, jumped to a conclusion with very limited observation. 
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Posted By: essexboyinwales
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 13:14
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David Icke used to be a respected and prominent sports journalist on the BBC. That one IS true. At least, I think it is.... |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: October 18 2021 at 13:22
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 20 2021 at 11:21
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Human animal hybrids are no new conspiracy, but here we get FACTS that help fuel that fire. https://canoe.com/health/u-s-surgeons-successfully-test-pig-kidney-transplant-in-human-patient" rel="nofollow - https://canoe.com/health/u-s-surgeons-successfully-test-pig-kidney-transplant-in-human-patient ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: wiz_d_kidd
Date Posted: October 21 2021 at 08:02
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 13:27
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Here's one that showed up in my YouTube suggestions for some reason. A conspiracy so deep that even conspiracy theorists can't actually verbalize what the theory is. Apparently the Washington Monument was built around a tree that looked oddly like a tentacle coming from the ground that could not be chopped down. The monument was built around it but also they put a lift bucket in it. People go up the bucket and fall out due to sound waves from below. Not sure where the "wormhole" comes in. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 19:29
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“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” ― Bertrand Russell ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 19:56
That's plain vanilla creepy. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:01
What are your arguments that that statement actually represents reality? Perhaps the stupid actually just lack courage to stand up to the gestapo and the intelligent are loathe to stir the pot due to death threats. -------------  https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:09
| ^ Who sent the alleged "death threats" ? |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:16
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^ I think he means smart people don't want trouble, and dumb ones are cowards. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:17
There are many whistleblowers from various institutions who have reported just that. The compartmentalized pyramid structure which guarantees most don't see the entire scheme of things means most won't have the ability to connect the dots. Those who do are certainly targeted individuals. Um, who? Seriously? How about JFK, MLK Jr, Malcolm X. Another methodology is to confiscate and subject to poverty. Nikola Tesla, Raymond Royal Rife, Max Gerson and more recently Dr Andreas Noak, top carbon specialist of all of Germany who was warning about the elector-conductivity of graphene oxide in the jabs which is causing oxygen depletion through calcium ionization disruptions in tandem with high energy frequencies. He happened to be transmitting a live YouTube video explaining all of this while he was raided by the police and MURDERED. No theory here. Witnessed on livestream. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:18
That's definitely a better way to sum things up. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:33
I saw that video. Extremely sad and disturbing.
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Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:38
I think it's got more to do with the certainty and dogma of belief versus the uncertainty inherent in the scientific method of appraisal but what would I know. I'm no Bertrand Russell ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 20:47
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 21:15
I thought that was debunked, any footage is from an unrelated raid a year earlier. His partner said heart attack. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 21:21
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Then there is that wacko tiktok-er who humiliates anyone online who disagrees with her claim that the Roman Empire never existed and was invented only a hundred years ago. Furthermore , she claims that a "little town " like Rome could not have dominated the world. Wonder how she feels about Macedonia or Mongolia......But she is getting a gazillion views and likes !!!! Sad...... ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 23 2021 at 21:50
I don't mind wacky conspiracy theories like that. They can be quite humorous at times and it is quite pointless to try to disprove them. When conspiracy theories become dangerous and harmful, is when conspiracy bullies like Alex Jones proposes that Sandy Hook was faked using "crises actors". These sorts of theories have real world consequences and should be opposed at every opportunity.
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: December 24 2021 at 02:10
Indeed. The raid was over a year ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYsmk8OWP2M" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYsmk8OWP2M ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: December 24 2021 at 02:39
I did not know the guy died. I don't care when the raid happened. Breaking into a guys home and arresting him for what he was saying....is scary. Governments, world over are scaring folks because of Omnicron, and it is not killing anybody. How many people have died of Omnicron? Or should I say with Omnicron. The CDC Website admits that 95% of people die of Covid had comoridities. Go check out the CDC website. Things like brain tumors, failing kidneys, massive strokes. Plus the average death age is 80 years-old. The CDC does not count old-age as a comorbidity. I guess that's a conspiracy theory too. The term conspiracy theory is meant to shut down logical discussion. |
Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: December 24 2021 at 03:36
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Someone I knew spent some time working in a (UK) army hospital. "Section 8 cases", ie the loony ward. One bloke seemed quite normal until he couldn't resist telling you about his pet theory to extract all the Earth's oil and thus solve the energy crisis. It was quite simple, you just attached four giant jet engines at the equator and spun the Earth faster, centrifugal force would force all the oil to the surface......... ... yes, whilst crushing everything on Earth, causing huge tidal waves and earthquakes.... plus it didn't seem very practical, to anyone but him, of course. Nonetheless, he, er, quite enthusiastically told everyone he met about it, morning, noon and night. "The keeper of secret knowledge which was going to make him fabulously rich. ------------- |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 24 2021 at 03:40
If you are suggesting that the term "conspiracy theory" is somehow a conspiracy itself, I don't agree. Rather than shut down logical discussion, conspiracy theories seem to be designed to foster argument. Conspiracy theories are a big money spinner for social network platforms and as such some of these platforms do all they can to promote these theories. Click bait at its most pernicious, only seeming to take a stance when the platform is used as a call to action, and even then only after the fact. There is always uncertainty and it is times of high uncertainty such as we are living through now that conspiracy theories have a particular attraction with the help not only of the social media platforms but through conspiracy entreprenuers. Conspiracy theory entrepreneurs such as Ike and Jones, who don't mind stirring the pot for their own financial benifit. Discussion is fine, however discussions with someone deep into conspiracy theory usually end up being a one way conversation. Conspiracy theorists do love an echo chamber. ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: December 24 2021 at 09:23
Isn't that what a true conspiracy theorist would say....? ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: December 24 2021 at 10:27
Disinfo campaigns by alphabet agencies are amazingly well funded. It behooves one to do substantial research from myriad angles before coming to any conclusion. Unfortunately the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 LEGALIZED propaganda for the US to use against its own citizens. It was already legal to do so against the rest of the world. Noak stated before his murder that if he ended up dead that it would be a hit job. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 24 2021 at 17:32
And that's the point isn't it: you're not as concerned about facts as you are impression, suggestion, inference, and a lack of curiosity about reality, or what is known as 'true facts', e.g. Mount Rushmore is in S. Dakota or that Elvis sold a lot of records. If this guy was assassinated by German Police (an unlikely premise to start, it's not 1939), don't you think I and many others would very much want to know that ? That some of us are actually interested in the truth regardless of where it leads and if a European nation is killing doctors, that information might be.. oh, I don't know.. good to have ? Especially for other democracies that might find that alarming ? Do you believe governments have in their possession artifacts and technologies made by non-Earth civilizations? If true, would that be good to know about or better to not know about ? It's not what the truth is, it's making sure you have it or are doing everything possible to have it before you start spouting half-informed and reactionary claptrap which doesn't help anyone or any thing. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 24 2021 at 22:51
Unfortunately this can be more difficult than it sounds, the Internet only seving to exacerbate the problem. A quick google search for Dr. Noak brings up site after site of hysterical posts using inflammatory language supporting the "murder" theory, with nary a dissenting or opposing opinion to be found (the echo chamber in full force). Whether this is because the story hasn't quite entered the mainstream or because opposing opinions are simply being overwhelmed by the passion of those advocating this theory, is difficult to assertain at the moment. After all, it is passion rather than logic that fuels and drives most conspiracy theories and logic can appear very weak in the face of passion. What does seem apparent to me is that the internet, which was intended in large part as a way to diseminate information, has instead given a soapbox for the loudest idiots to spread misinformation.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 24 2021 at 23:21
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No sh*t. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Jacob Schoolcraft
Date Posted: December 24 2021 at 23:45
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When a wealthy organization is suspected of plotting or influencing a murder to happen it is often considered a conspiracy theory. This term is awkward and is applied to theories about a crime that is based on circumstantial evidence. This usually involves police investigation into a theory that can be true but cannot be physically proven. ..................... ......................................................................................................................................................................................................It's complicated because a police investigation can in fact involve pursuing several leads prior to solving a case. The obvious evidence left behind can sometimes lead to an innocent person's conviction and certain murder cases historically are set up by the murderer to be deceitful by placing the blame on someone else and typically known as framework.,.............. .......... ....................................................................In cases where a murder is thought to be a ritualistic killing the aforementioned patterns are common to occur. One particular ritual killing took place at Menantico in June 1971 and several individuals who were interrogated , acquitted or convicted were residents in my hometown Vineland, New Jersey. In high school many kids in my age group were paranoid about a dangerous cult called the "Menantico Cult". The rumors began when kids in my age group went camping there , returning to school and privately sharing their experience with friends completely out of fear. Some people in the past have stated that the "Menantico Cult Killing " was a introduction to the Satanic Panic scare of the 80s. It isn't. There's no need to make that comparison. .......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................A typical weekend camping expedition at Menantico was telling. It usually began after you settled in around the fire. It began with the sound of sing-song chanting, eventually developing into a chant which transformed the sound into screaming. You could not tell in which direction the sound traveled from because of the improbable acoustics at Menantico. Then you would hear the sound of people pounding on drums which actually turned out to be 55 gallon oil barrels. There were other incidents where friends were hiding behind trees watching them. They had unusual sex parties. They dressed in robes and they wore masks out of horror films. This was very creepy. In school they were respected for being exceptional students and most adults did not have any suspicious nature about them whatsoever. We all knew something was dreadfully wrong with them and their ability to hide it was even more scary. This mostly occurred and was discussed between us in 1970. In June of 71' one of the cult members asked his 2 closest friends to tie and bound his hands and feet and push him into "Clear Pond" at Menantico so he could die violently and return as a captain to rule over 40 leagues of demons.,................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Instead of rising from the dead..he drowned and his 2 friends were charged with murder. One of the victim's friends told Charles Pangburn, chief of the Millville Police that the victim belonged to a Satan worshippers sect. At first the police thought it was a very isolated situation but after they searched the Menantico area and the victim's room they had a different idea. Somewhere Pangburn had information or an idea that many people had witnessed the victim's death. An unusually large group of people. After the victim's 2 friends were incarcerated Pangburn spent 2 years interrogating wealthy individuals belonging to a sect . He interrogated members of Lilith Sinclair's group and a church in Vineland because he suspected these people practiced "Duo Worship ". God in the day, Satan in the night. They were suspects in the murder and accused of being behind it. ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................They had revolted against the Church Of Satan and formed their own sect in 1970 and traveled to the East coast of the U.S. Two years later the Temple Of Set was formed. Charles Pangburn interrogated several wealthy individuals over a 2 year period and unable to prove they were physically there to witness the young man's sacrifice. In the end , the 2 boys were charged with the crime and the theory of a large group was set aside. In the summer of 71' between 80 to 90 teenage devil worshippers in Vineland were converted to Christianity and they all met in Landis Park to give their testimonies. Interestingly they belonged to different Satan cults in Vineland and claimed they did not know the victim or the Menantico cult. A Christian community moved to Vineland and when I returned to school in the Fall of 71' they were following us when we walked home from school. They were persistent in convincing us that there was a dangerous cult in Vineland practicing rituals on people. We were already aware of this , but they insisted on walking us home and protecting us. They were everywhere it seemed. They were "Born Again " Christians and they were fixated on digging for information that they felt we were refusing to divulge. It was almost as if they were in on the investigation. ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... The N.Y. Times , Miami Times, the Vineland Times Journal made it more apparent to everyone that this was a Satan cult killing and that drugs were involved as if that means anything to the people that witnessed these lunatics at Menantico dancing around fires, pounding on oil barrels and wearing robes and masks. There is no scientific proof of demons or the supernatural, but people have hid and watched these groups from a safe distance. They were sadistic individuals and upsetting to the locals. Although I find it rather disappointing that it cannot be proven. Just because you can't prove it doesn't mean it's not true. The difficulty in the victim's case revolves around the historical fact that his sacrifice was directly tied in with Christian demons. In his belief that his self-sacrifice would engender the protection/aid of Christian demons. His references are part of a Judeo-Christian concept derived from medieval theologians. The use of human sacrifice is older than recorded history and the use of such a sacrifice to gain power can be found in the Bog Burials. Also in the James G. Frazier classic "The Golden Bough" .........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................In the film "Menantico Blues" the Menantico cult killing is discussed. The first 10 minutes of the film covers the ritual killing and the kind of occult practice that existed in Vineland. The actors imitate the voices of the typical family living in Menantico. The voices are that of mountain people and quite silly and even annoying. Eventually it is brought to the viewers attention that a wealthy organization was behind the ritual and matching up to the story that many of us heard in our youth. ...so even though the film is silly much of what is said is true imo...but it cannot be proven . The film is on You Tube and is free. It's the first time the story has been covered aside from people from my generation that sighted the cult long ago and have finally shared what they witnessed at Menantico. ,............................................................................................... ............I actually do not know what to think about this. It was another lifetime. It felt real, but the newspaper wasn't totally accurate. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 00:24
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^ Way too much information. It's not that
conspiracies don't exist, it's that one must base the belief of a
conspiracy on verifiable evidence rather than suspicion. An example: We
know Oswald had to be directly involved in the JFK shooting because he
fled the Book Depository, went home, grabbed a pistol and slipped into a
movie theater without paying. That's not the behavior of an innocent
man. At the same time we know at least one other gun than Oswald's
rifle was fired during the assassination because highly credible
witnesses ~ cops, off-duty soldiers, veterans, journalists and at least
one congressman ~ clearly smelled and saw gunsmoke hanging in Dealy
Plaza which was impossible if there was just one rifle shooting six
floors above the ground inside a building. Whew...
sorry for the JFK rant, but you see the point. Those are the only two pieces of absolutely solid, undeniable facts in the JFK case. It's been fifty-eight years and we still don't know what happened, but if we ever do it has to be with correct information based on firm, scientifically verified evidence. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 00:45
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Cults That Never Were: The Satanic Ritual Abuse Scare (SRAS) Introduction The satanic ritual abuse scare was a moral panic that began in the 1980’s in North America and lasted throughout much of the 1990’s. It was fueled by claims of Satan worship made up of several components:
During its time, the SRAS led to many criminal investigations based on little or no evidence of an actual occurrence of satanic activity or any criminal activity whatsoever... ... The Creation of the Satanic Cult With allegations of so many “evil” acts throughout the country, they all became attributed to a hypothetical “satanic cult.” All of these rumors merged in order to form one elaborate story. The social condition that emerged in the 1980’s produced an environment for these very different rumors to create one plausible story about an underground Satanic Cult that was operating secretly throughout the nation. Through media involvement and growing panic among concerned citizens, the “Satanic cult panic” grew into a North American pandemic. Several criminal charges were brought upon those accused of involvement in satanic cult activity, provoking national media coverage with a salacious position. By the mid-1990’s, skepticism grew concerning the realities of these allegations, and the rumors were eventually proven false. From: https://www.people.vcu.edu/~dbromley/undergraduate/spiritualCommunity/SatanicCults.html ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 00:55
This is a problem that the US Government has helped create itself, with such things as the MKUltra experiments, the revelations of the Pentegon Papers and the secrecy that still surrounds the murder of JFK. The mere fact that the US Government demonstrates a proclivity towards secrecy only serves to add legitimacy to the craziest theories,
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Posted By: Mirakaze
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 02:53
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Why would the German or Austrian government single out this one person as a target for raiding and murdering out of the hundreds of hack scientists who spout Covid misinformation on a daily basis without obstruction? Makes zero sense to me. ------------- https://mirasnelder.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow - Freelance composer, accepting commissions | https://mirasnelder.bandcamp.com/album/altered-acuity" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp page |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 03:55
 - Dear Conspirationiçst friends, times are dim. - Yes all our theories have been proven false - this is yet another conspiration. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 05:42
The real stumbling block to uncovering satanic cults is that 'satanism' can only be defined as everyone else's religion but your own.... ------------- 
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Posted By: MortSahlFan
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 06:25
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I think the CIA creates 90% of the most ludicrous "conspiracies" to discredit all the ones that are pointed to them.. It's funny that when the government admits to certain things (sometimes by FOIA requests, such as the Gulf of Tonkin lie), it's still considered "tin-foil hat" (another stupid phrase when someone has nothing else to say)... OR, people who need the confirmation from those who lie repeatedly (NYT, for example). "The Communist Party has a membership of 4,000, 3,000 of whom are FBI agents" - Mort Sahl ------------- https://www.youtube.com/c/LoyalOpposition https://www.scribd.com/document/382737647/MortSahlFan-Song-List |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 07:49
It has grown beyond religion to encompass anyone who holds opposing political views and even socio-economic factors. It is easy for someone whose life isn't as succesful as they think it should be to blame some malevolent force, rather than take responsibility for their own life. And "blood libel" is so popular amongst conspiracy fantasists. ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 07:54
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Hi, I'm looking up the Goon Anthology for any new conspiracies. We already got the one about shooting 100 penguins with one bullet, and the tea brigade in the island ... not to mention the climbing of the snow mountains from the inside ... but so far, there aren't any new ones to think of!  ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 08:28
His wife has supposedly stated that he was murdered. Of course none of us really know the exact truth but we should at least keep the possibility on the work table rather than just brushing it off as theory. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 08:35
Because he was the top carbon specialist in all of Germany. He had the smoking gun that graphene oxide and chemical derivatives were acting as nano-razor blades. His legal actions and expert testimony would certainly have brought down the entire government. Unless you connect many dots it will not make any sense. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 11:22
This:
is where the ridiculousness of the conspiracy theory lies. Most people don't know chemistry and therefore would probably not recognise the above as technobabble. And if one has a predilection towards conspiracy theories, then one is likely to be bamboozled by it. ------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 18:00
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As has been the case with 5G and microchip technology, graphene has been the subject of several "trojan horse" conspiracy theories according to which governments or powerful individuals are supposedly seeking to remotely "control" people who receive some sort of mini device through coronavirus vaccines, or track their whereabouts through GPS. This control could be exercised from 5G towers transmitting signals to people supposedly carrying graphene particles, one theory goes. In another widely-disseminated claim, social media users alleged they had been "magnetized" by the vaccine, posting images of magnets, coins or cutlery allegedly attached to the arm in which they received the jab. Some conspiracy theorists have claimed that vaccines containing graphene have altered people's "electromagnetic field" and that this can be fatal. What is the truth? To start with, none of the vaccines approved for use by the World Health Organization contain graphene or its derivative, graphine oxide. From: https://phys.org/news/2021-10-graphene-miracle-material-singled-covid.html" rel="nofollow - Graphene: 'Miracle material' singled out for COVID conspiracies (phys.org) ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 18:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWI0YiSmTKs" rel="nofollow - Conspiracy Theorists Think Covid Vaccine Makes You Magnetic - YouTube ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 18:15
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Used to be that the term 'Tinfoil hat' was metaphoric. Now not so much, I guess. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 19:29
The thing is that there comes a time when enough evidence extinguishes any possibility of being a theory. In the case of graphene oxide being added to food supplies, inoculations and other consumable goods, it's all quite easy to find in patents and money trails. When top experts in myriad fields confirm that such things are real then there is good reason to believe that they may indeed be correct. Keep in mind we are in the midst of serious info wars as the battle is for the consciousness of all of humanity. These things are also openly discussed in trade journals which most of the public does not have access to. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 19:31
The CDC and WHO are private for profit service corporations that have invested interests in pushing inoculations. Nothing on either site has a basis in reality. Patents and independent scientists have confirmed that graphene is not only in inoculations but also many forms of consumables including food and beverages. ------------- https://rateyourmusic.com/~siLLy_puPPy |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 20:08
Graphene for medical use is still, as I undertand it, very much in the research phase and is particularly being tested for its application as an anti=cancer agent. There is currenlty no evidence that graphene is being used in the current available Covid vaccines. If you can provide evidence or citations to support your above claims, I would certainly appreciate and be very interested in evaluating any such evidence or citation. Thanks in advance.
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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 20:44
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If any of these big fish decide to open up and plea bargain, the whole house of cards could come crumbling down! Gates, Fauci, and Daszak charged with Genocide in Court Filing In a stunning 46-page legal filing to the International Criminal Court on December 6, an intrepid attorney and seven applicants accused Anthony Fauci, Peter Daszak, Melinda Gates, William Gates III, and twelve others of numerous violations of the Nuremberg Code. These included various crimes against humanity and war crimes as defined by the Rome Statutes, Articles 6, 7, 8, 15, 21, and 53.
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/gates-fauci-and-daszak-charged-with-genocide-in-court-filing/article_76c6081c-61b8-11ec-ae59-7718e6d063ed.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/gates-fauci-and-daszak-charged-with-genocide-in-court-filing/article_76c6081c-61b8-11ec-ae59-7718e6d063ed.html |
Posted By: Hugh Manatee
Date Posted: December 25 2021 at 21:34
That's hilarious! I do so hope this trial goes ahead. As for your source: "The Desert Review generally reports local news responsibly and with minimal bias; however, op-eds frequently promote dangerous pseudoscience and media conspiracy theories without evidence. Overall, we rate The Desert Review Right-Center Biased and Questionable based on the frequent promotion of pseudoscience, conspiracy theories, and misinformation regarding covid-19." From: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-desert-review-bias/" rel="nofollow - The Desert Review - Media Bias/Fact Check (mediabiasfactcheck.com) ------------- I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of uncertain seas |