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Lewian 
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Hard hard hard! Do I go for After the Flood which is a top 5 track of all time for me, or the Godfathers because too many people know the Talk Talk track already? Actually the Godfathers had a hit single there so it may be known by as many people, therefore my nomination is Talk Talk - After the Flood. Still grateful for this poll theme to have reminded me of that cool Godfathers single that had been off my radar for 20 years or so.
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mathman0806
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Posted: July 05 2021 at 11:53 |
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I nominate Dan Deacon - When I Was Done Dying.
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TCat
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Posted: July 05 2021 at 10:28 |
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My nomination is M. Ward - Chinese Translation
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Cristi
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Posted: July 05 2021 at 05:23 |
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I'd start making the poll with the nominations so far and set up a deadline for final nominations.
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nick_h_nz
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Posted: July 05 2021 at 05:17 |
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This is what I have seen. Have I missed anyone’s? Logan - Alice Coltrane - Journey In Satchidananda Lorenzo - Donovan - Nirvana Nicky - Dhafer Youssef - Soupir Eternel Cristi - Alternativ Quartet - Linistea Astupa Goluri Kees - A Winged Victory for the Sullen - We Played Some Open Chords and Rejoiced, for the Earth Had Circled the Sun Yet Another Year Lewian - ? Geo - ? Mike - ? Pekka - Vesa-Matti Loiri - Sielun Pohjalla Me - Shiva the Destructor - Nirvana Beach |
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Cristi
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Posted: July 05 2021 at 04:15 |
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final nominations and poll?!
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Logan
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Posted: July 03 2021 at 13:22 |
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Sorry for not participating in this thread more, and I aporeciate the comments on my suggestions. I have been very busy. As something of a brevity consideration, I will nominate Alice Coltrane - Journey in Satchidananda.
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suitkees
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Posted: July 03 2021 at 03:39 |
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I like both of your submissions, Nick, great music, but they both have something that don't really make them stand out for me: I like the singing on the Outside In track and especially the first two minutes of the track before it turns into a more "normal" rocking track. Musically I prefer the Shiva the Destructor track, really great, but here it is the singing leaves me a bit underwhelmed... But again, they're both good listens! For my nomination I will choose the one which title is already an eternal wandering:A Winged Victory for the Sullen - We Played Some Open Chords and Rejoiced, for the Earth Had Circled the Sun Yet Another Year |
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The razamataz is a pain in the bum |
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nick_h_nz
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Posted: July 02 2021 at 00:22 |
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Thanks! I will check those out. I honestly can’t imagine me liking him anywhere near as much singing in English. There’s something really musical about the Finnish language that I love. |
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Hiram
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Posted: July 01 2021 at 23:52 |
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Cheers! Very glad to hear you liked the song. Of his albums, I'll recommend "Kuu" (where this song is from), "Lasten mehuhetki" (the most Beefheartian Finnish album ever), "Hullu puutarhuri" and "Luuta ja nahkaa". He has also made a collaboration album with Alamaailman Vasarat included here on PA. He's done a couple of albums in English as well, but I don't think they're as good.
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 01 2021 at 17:56 |
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First thoughts to the end of Page 3
Frenetic Zetetic:
Terry Funk “Forever” Clever
entry….also the shortest, I would think. Nick: Outside
In “In The Garden of Light” Actually,
amazingly, I have seen/heard this, maybe via Kev Rowland? I love the sense of inevitability and lack of
feeling inspired by one’s life in it that they manage to imbue the piece with,
I’d not known of the entire concept, however.
Can’t remember how it came to my attention, but will give the entire
recording full re-attention, as I love the thoughtfulness of the literary
inspiration. I will not be able to vote
for it, with my pre-knowledge, however. Shiva the Destructor “Nirvana Beach” Lots of pretty effected guitars, softly begin
this, with soft, wavery vocals and gentle percussion. There is a certain psych
feel with the organ and the waves of sound with so much texture. I will be interested to hear their “Summer of
Love,” song. I was very young (9), but
also fortunate to visit SF that summer, so witnessed it in full swing. The era certainly informed my musical taste,
I still have a strong penchant for psych.
What many people don’t remember is that the use of drugs wasn’t to get
high, per se, it began as an experiment in opening one’s mind, although that
higher (pun) pursuit was pretty quickly ruined by people who wanted to exploit
the whole thing for personal monetary gain.
It was both a social and philosophical movement that sadly went it’s way,
so much so, that at the end of the summer, a mock funeral was staged, entitled “The
Death of Hippie.” However, many continued
to pursue the paths that were forged by seeking deeper meaning, and, indeed, exploring
other cultures for spiritual enlightenment, such as we are discussing at length
in this poll. Edited by Snicolette - July 01 2021 at 19:44 |
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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nick_h_nz
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To be honest, neither are likely to be what I’d have chosen to put forward if I’d had more time to think about it. They are the result of a rush job, and pretty much the first two to come to mind. I’ll regret both suggestions if I think about them too much, so I’m just going to not think about it! 🤪 And now for my thoughts on the rest of the suggestions. Again, a bit of a rush job, so apologies if I missed any nuances. Pekka Tuomari Nurmio - hints of the blues of John Lennon’s Working Class Hero, mixed with the Finnish folk stylings of Pekka Käppi. I love both Lennon and Käppi, so I guess it comes as no surprise that I love this song. I definitely want to check out more of this work, after hearing this. I don’t often like straight blues too much, but this blend with folk is sublime. I could listen to it forever. Very, very, nice. Even though I don’t understand what is being sung, and even if you hadn’t explained what the song is about, there is such a feeling of samsara that is manifested from the rhythm alone - let alone those fantastic vocals. If this is your nomination, it’s a sure vote from me! I love it! (I can’t say I’m so fond of the version without the harmonica, though. It really loses something, in losing the harmonica!) Vesa-Matti Loiri didn’t grab me so much, nor have such a palpable ans tangible sense of samsara for me - even though, from what you’ve written, it surely does address the subject. I can’t say I’ll be returning to this, in contrast to Tuamori Nurmio. Sorry. Mike Tungevaag & Raaban Hmmmm…..because you ask anyone could resist posting this, I assume it is popular/well-know - but I have definitely never heard it. I can’t decide what I like more, the song or the video. Both are a lot of fun. Kees Arvo Pärt and a piece I’m familiar with, and love. I am a very recent convert to Arvo Pärt, but I really like his music. This performance by Filipe Melo and Ana Cláudia Serrão is absolutely beautiful! Geo Dan Deacon again, but I honestly think this is a far better song (and video) to represent samsara - at least for the purposes of this poll, where just one song has to represent often so much more. Mystic Familiar as an album seems to dip in and out of samsara constantly, and so for sure Sat in a Tree has samsara within it, but When I Was Done Dying just exudes samsara. It is an absolutely awesome song, in itself, but just as awesome as an example of samsara. Bill Laswell, as I already replied, really impressed me. I loved the whole City of Light album. |
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TCat
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Posted: July 01 2021 at 09:50 |
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Nick gets it!
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Snicolette
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Posted: July 01 2021 at 07:50 |
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I was about to remark that we hadn't yet heard your own nominations, Nick, so glad they are here. In the meantime, going to go ahead and elect the Dhafer Youseff piece to be up for the vote.
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nick_h_nz
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Posted: July 01 2021 at 02:29 |
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Oh my word, time flies! We’ve reached the nomination stage already, and I still haven’t managed to listen to every suggestion, let alone make my own. I’m a failure in my own poll! 🤪
I’ll try and catch up today. Ever since covid, the lingering brain fog has made it a real struggle for me to juggle all the plates without dropping some. I used to be able to keep up with several things at once, but now I have to put all my concentration into one thing at a time, or I simply lose the plot. My brain is in a state of samsara….. 🙄 [EDIT] OK, first submission. It's by no means either my favourite or what I think is the best representation of samsara from the albums I listened to last year, but Karmatrain was the first album last year that made me stop and take notice, and really reflect on how many albums I had already listened to that year which were about samsara. And, to be fair to Outside In, they probably made the most effort to create an album that represented the journey through life/lives of samsara. Karmatrain was deliberately created to match the structure of Hermann Hesse's Siddharta, so the album, like the book is divided into two parts - the first four chapters (or songs) representing the Four Noble Truths, and the remaining eight representing the Noble Eightfold Path. The album takes the listener on a journey, and the careful consideration that has gone into the creation and sequencing of the tracks really pays off. The album flows like the river which provides such meaning within Hesse's story, and is references throughout Karmatrain. I mentioned in my review of Karmatrain that I had listened to the album several times before reading Siddhartha so I had no way of knowing, for example, that Bridges was the end of the first part of the story/album - and yet, I knew. Morning Warning therefore sounds like an opening number, even though it is the fifth track on the album. I almost considered giving that as one of my suggestions, as it is possibly my favourite song on the album, but I decided that Garden of Light maybe represented samsara in its lyrics more, if I were to use just one song (although the lyrics throughout are obviously easily connected to Siddhartha and/or samsara). And my review, if anyone is interested. [EDIT] For my second submission, a more recent example - from this year's Find the Others by Shiva the Destructor. This is a really neat take on samsara, as it attempts to portray how samsara can exist regardless of what faith, if any, one follows. It is constructed to take the listener on a journey across time and space, making deliberate comparisons that might otherwise be overlooked. Thus third track, Summer of Love, can be paired with the opening track, Benares. Benares is a city on the Ganges which is a major hub for multiple religions, and Summer of Love refers to the summer of '67, and so compares how people converge in a place that has shared meaning. For many people, San Francisco in that Summer of Love served the same purpose as Benares does every year for those who make pilgrimages there. And it's also, of course, an acknowledgement of the eternal wandering of the homeless soul of the protagonist. The album finally ends with the freedom of thought that there is no need to "care anymore about time and space. It surely is the highest point one can reach, I'll be surfing here on Nirvana beach." This new found purpose (the Finding of the Other) has the protagonist of the album finally abandoning samsara - no longer drifting (wandering) aimlessly, where the river (Benares) and waves (Hydronaut) take them, but making their own path - carving their own waves. Its not my favourite song on the album, but I love how purposeful it is (having found purpose) compared to the rest of the album. It probably doesn't have the same impact presented here by itself, but as the journey's/album's end, it always hits me, and leaves me wanting more. And, again, my review, if anyone is interested. Edited by nick_h_nz - July 01 2021 at 04:39 |
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Cristi
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Posted: July 01 2021 at 00:43 |
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I nominate
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Hiram
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Posted: June 30 2021 at 23:47 |
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My nomination is Vesa-Matti Loiri - Sielun pohjalla.
I would've nominated Tuomari Nurmio, but since the video wasn't available to all, it's easier this way and fine by me.
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My nomination is:
Donovan - Nirvana Not easy choose one song from "Sutras", the album is wonderful as a whole, not for the value of the individual songs, which are all good, sometimes very good, but without having the highest peaks, it is the amalgam that makes it special. Ps Thanks to Nickie and Nick for their words. Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 30 2021 at 16:57 |
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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nick_h_nz
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Snicolette
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