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Snicolette
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Glad you enjoyed "Heart's Ease," The Anders.
In this one, I didn't necessarily vote for what I liked, more how I felt the poster juxtaposed two pieces next to one another. So I hear you on that, in particular, this time if I didn't vote "for" a duo, it had much less to do with what I enjoyed. I did like one or the other of everyones, though, so that's why I decided to base my voting the way I did. and suitkees, I must tell you, I love reading your synopses, especially the ones you give to yourself. Plus, everything pretty much that Owain Phyfe recorded is available on YT, should you care to further explore him.
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Honorable mentions include "Strange New World", "Hearts Ease" and "Everybody's Been Burned". In the end I think I am not that much of a fan of voting for duos, because in many cases I like one song much better than the other.
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My votes: Lipstick to Void & Disney Town
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Got some - very pleasant - time this afternoon to listen to all the submissions and to comment on them, so here it goes: Logan: Mica Levi - Lipstick to Void: I didn't like the film Under the Skin... That is, I quite liked the first 2/3 of it, but then it got ridiculous and grotesque for me (it is not the kind of cinema I prefer...). But this track is very intriguing; it creates a haunting athmosphere in its minimalism. Mono's Disney Town is indeed a nice contrast: they match quite well. This track comes as a kind of relief after the anguish. Nice listen! Shadowyzard: You said "I'm again coming up with the first thing that came to my mind." Please, next time think twice No seriously, for me the Eurovision Song Contest is more or less the rubbish bin of what Europe has to offer in music: lack of creativity, formulaic songs, but often an excellent execution of them (a showcase of singing talents where the music is just so-so). Every once in a while a song really stands out, but this is not the case with these two, imho. I find them uninspiring, unoriginal, but the performances are great. nick_h_nz: Never heard of Asian Death Crustacean, but this comes as a good surprise. I listend to your bandcamp link, don't know which track you would want to put forward but I could't help listen to all of the Baikal album. Very good! I first stumbled upon Baikal V, and then I wanted to hear the rest of the album...! And I actually have the same remarks for Seaorm's Olkhon album; very pleasant discovery too! They're maybe not that much yin and yang to me, but they do team up quite well together. Thanks! jamesbaldwin: Steve Wynn, yes, a great catchy song with Carolyn, and you're right: the arrangements are wonderfully effective. There is a similar compactness in the songwriting of Strange New World, but this one has the rough edges instead of the polished approach of the first song. Great playing and arrangements on both tracks. The contrast is clear, the quality too! It's more straight forward but I like these very much. I prophesy disaster: Two great bands that I don't listen to, actually. I very much like this track by Kula Shaker; it rocks and then gets into a more psychedelic stance. Wonderful. Both this one and RHCP's Sir Psycho Sexy are very 90s sounding, but the latter remains stylistically in the 90s (apart from the mellotron(-like) finale) where Kula Shaker pours a 70s flavour over their track. Maybe not very contrasting but an interesting pair (of which I prefer Kula Shaker). The Anders: With Kashmir we continue a bit in 90s style indie-rock (although both tracks are of the noughties). The first track, The Cynic is the rocker, rather straight forward but quite captivating. It does indeed contrast with the tenderness of The Push, a beautiful song but which somehow keeps the signature of the band. Interesting match and great encounter with this band (don't remember having heard them before...). Lewian: Ah ah ah... Here we go again Can you explain why this fascinates us? I like the ping-pong nervousness of The Langham Research Centre (I actually never explored their work...) and it contrasts well with Eliane Radigue's prepare-for-a-moon-landing meditation of Adnos. Great choices! TCat: Alabama Shakes deliver us a kind of back-to-basics blues rock song, and yes what a voice to deliver it. Soul and emotion -great! But Arcane's My Mother is not the White Dove steals the show here for me. What a beautiful song! Great arrangements and production (a nice profound bass sound...) and the singing is wonderful too. Very different from the first, but both transfer emotion in a powerful way. Arcane is for me the highlight, though. Snicolette: Interesting match of singer-songwriters. Michael Penn, the more modern pop-rock one while Owain Phyfe goes back in time with a more troubadour-like style. I actually don't know if Penn's song did something here in Europe, but listening to it it should have been a hit. Catchy song, great arrangements and playing... what's not to like? I also love the troubadour style of Phyfe. Never heard of him, but this one makes us time travel. Beautiful. mathman: Interesting match of solo artists! Wonderful playing by Dmitry Lisenko, impressive to watch and a really good song just coming out of a bass guitar. Author & Punisher is intriguing. I don't like the growling, but musically it is to me very interesting: a kind of minimalist industrial tinge that appeals to me. Intriguing but I'm not sure if I also really like it, but it is good enough to want to explore more of him, just to find out. suitkees: Crap! They just don't know how to play a cello and in the other one they're just caressing it... Cristi: Ah, Place Vendôme really sounds good. It's rather straight forward hard rock to my ears, but it works for me - great singing and playing, well written song. Although not surprising it is very solid and captivating. Nicely paired up with Helloween's ballad Longing: a beautifully orchestrated song. Don't know from when this one is, but to me it's up to Helloweens' best. dr_wu23: Great choices! Love this song by The Byrds: beautiful melody and playing and very romantic. Haven't heard this one since a long time and it is maybe one of their songs that I like most. Never listened much to the James Gang, but I also love this song, a typical late 60s early 70s song - I mean typical of what I like from that period: just great rock with nice organ playing in it. Nice to hear again, because it's not necesarilly something I turn back to often, nowadays. Now scratching my head to decide which ones to vote for... Edited by suitkees - January 30 2021 at 03:16 |
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Logan
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That’s just what my ears are associating it with, irregardless of whether it was a good term for the music industry to use and not based on reading anything about the music (just my impression, of the music, and I wanted to make a little joke). I think Prog is a silly term, but I still use it for music I hear and still use the term. And what is Prog to me might not be Prog to another.
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Thank you to Logan for the vote. Much appreciated. 'Alt rock' is just a term the music industry has invented to sell something as a bit exclusive. In my world it is just rock, and I don't think Kashmir would call themselves alternative anything. But what do I know... Here are my comments on the last batch of songs. suitkees "Kottos". I am familiar with some work by Iannis Xenakis, but I hadn't heard this piece before. It is actually quite humorous with it's many glissandi, off-key notes and so on, but also rather uncanny - the part after 3:00 reminded me of an alarm siren. There's a hint at the absurdism that for instance Pelle Gudmundsen-Holmgreen was also known for. But there is also a lot of beauty and poetry in it. Strong contender. "Elevation" is more like some experimental electronic music, just played with acoustic instruments. Basically a sonic landscape painting. Like the previous piece it uses glissando notes. It is also very minimalistic. Another strong contender. Cristi "Place Vendome". Melodic heavy metal. Fine track overall, but the singing style is not so much my taste. Musically I think I would have liked it better with a bit more variation, for instance some more breaks and silent passages. "Longing" is an acoustic ballad, it later becomes more bombastic, especially with the production. Again, not so much my taste, but I acknowledge its qualities. dr wu23 "Everybody's Been Burned": I am familiar with some Byrds songs of course, but not this one. Very low-key track, and as such I'd say it's a bit unusual for its time. Interesting unrhythmic guitar solo. I like it a lot, and it should be a contender. "Tend My Garden": I only knew James Gang by name, so I had no idea what to expect. Early 70's sound. A bit middle of the road to my ears, but I like the organ, as well as the piano part from circa 3:00. The composition doesn't quite do it for me.
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Snicolette
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There were so many variables to this one, I found it easier to divide it into what I felt were the deepest "opposites," and then what I liked the best to listen to. My 3 votes are going to what I found most opposite from each other that I was unfamiliar with.
1. Just about as far apart from one another as you can get, at least for me. Dmitry Lisenko “Prometheus” Just fantastic acoustic bass playing here, with finger-snaps punctuating the piece. Amazing how much he gets out of four strings (and utilizing the body as well), it almost sounds like more than one person playing. John Renbourn has that same effect as a soloist, but in a very different way. Quite enjoyed that one. Author & Punisher “Nihil Strength” Sonic blast with lots of distortion and growly vocals. Siren-like sounds to a definitely punishing, relentless beat, with an abrupt ending. Certainly a yang to Dmitry’s more yin style. Radically unalike, to my ear. 2. These two were also ones of which I enjoyed both of the pieces the most, so it was hard to put it into second place, except that #1 was so radically apart from each other. Iannis
Xenakis “Kottos” Grangs and burps,
angry bees begin the piece, I quite enjoy the drony bits. More swoops and deep swirls and hard attack
with bow, the bees are not very happy, I tell you. I like that they have the actual music
accompanying the piece in the video, fun to watch along with it. This would be excellent as a film score for a
bomber attack, so far). Back to rapidity
about 4 minutes in, with some swoop sounds interspersed. Lots of dynamics from highs to lows, then
back to rapid bowing, sometimes on multiple strings. Ends with some
slippy-slidies on the strings. My old
dog, Beau, would not have approved of this piece, however, I find it rather
fascinating. Hildur Guðnadóttir “Elevation”
At under a minute, I already love this piece. Deep, tranquil bowing, rising and falling in
intensity throughout, no need to rush or display fireworks. Lovely. 3. These also were very apart from each other, similarly, to me, as my #1 choice for opposites. Chiara “What If We” Lovely, obviously trained voice, as you said, with a positive message, backed with soft orchestra. A crowd-pleasing sort of adult contemporary song, if there is such a category anymore. Flawless performance. Netta “Toy” Very modern sort of rap/hip-hop-ish song (if that’s what you call this style that pretty much everyone does these days) with a Latin rhythm. Definitey fits the opposite yin/yang theme, even though neither are “my” kind of music, I definitely prefer the first to this one, as lyrically it’s pretty much one note. I’d be a bit scared of her, lol. Honourable Mentions truly, for everyone else, as I personally enjoyed at least one of them, if not both.
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Amos Goldberg (professor of Genocide Studies at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem): Yes, it's genocide. It's so difficult and painful to admit it, but we can no longer avoid this conclusion.
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Logan
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I won't go into substantive commentary. There were several other duos that I would have liked to give additional votes to, but these are my choices:
- Kottos & Elevation: I had heard Kottos, and while I appreciated it and have for a long time, it's Elevation which elevated this to must be on the podium. I love it. Very beautiful. It is not elevator music, it's elevated music. - Algebra of the Sky & Adnos I-III: Algebra of the Sky provided interesting contrast but it's Ando 1-113 that [ad] nosed it to this position. I was listening to it last night in bed, and the hypnotic drone qualities resonated with me and the waves played with my brain waves. Also beautiful. By the way, Algebra of the Sky would be a good name for a math rock band. Ultimately I guess I could just not say adios to Adnos. The Cynic & The Push: While I traditionally have not been that into Alt. Rock (in a more modern sense), was even quite cynical when it came to it at one time, or other alternative things such as the alt. right, alt. facts, or even Ctrl+Alt+Delete, I liked the artistic (art rock) stylings of both of these, and I like how they contrast. And I hear Indy qualities that I like. Push didn't need to come to shove to push this to the podium, and no cynicism here. Thanks to all who contributed to this. Edited by Logan - January 28 2021 at 16:52 |
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Thanks Anders, and here I thought that "Lipstick to the Void" might be the one that would mean that my entries might get no votes (hadn't thought that one out rationally). I like it a lot. Music reminds me of many things, but is very reminiscent of Ligeti (like from 2001: A Space Odyssey with the Kubricked "Atmospheres") and the score to Psycho and it reminds me of Tangerine Dream's "Genesis" off its first album (TD having been inspired by Ligeti). The film itself, Under the Skin, actually reminds me of 2001 A Space Odyssey, especially in the entry, but also because of the music. Disney Town is very much in the Portishead realm (along with Morcheeba and others) all operating at the same time with that kind of downtempo loungey and often jazzy sound in the 90s, and various on the dream pop and trip-hop (and chamber pop in various cases) side. For quite some time not long ago that was my main thing in music, with Portishead's Dummy being a primo album for me. The commentary is much appreciated, and I appreciate how well people "get" (or grok I'd rather say) the music in these topics. |
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And now for the second batch of songs. TCat "You Ain't Alone": She sounds quite a lot like Janis Joplin, but her voice seems a bit deeper. It's a similar sort of blues/soul/rock, but I think she is overdoing her vocal phrasings. She clearly has a good voice, but it's a style that Janis simply did better, and I also think she had better song material to work with. I like the sound of the band though. "My Mother is Not the White Dove" is more laid back. I like the very dry sound of the acoustic instruments (harp, strings, trumpet). The vocals are more down-to-earth. I'm not so keen on the whistle (flute?) which makes me think of new age. But overall I like it, and it appeals much more to me than the previous song. Snicolette "No Myth": Very 80's sounding recording, especially with the gated drums. Fine melody and vocals, I think I might have heard it before by the way. Not something I would normally listen to, but I do like it. "Hearts Ease" is an acoustic folk ballad. Contains harp, lute (?), flute, cello, and a viola? (I think it sounds too deep to be a violin). Or do they go all in with viola da gamba and things like that? I like it a lot. mathman0806 "Prometheus": Acoustic bass guitar is not an instrument one encounters very often. Normally, that type of instrumental showing off does very little for me, but I of course acknowlege his technical skills. But I can't help notice that he tends to get a bit out of tempo, especially at the points where he is doing something difficult on the bass. "Nihil Strength": Very weird intro. Then enter a sort of industrial metal song for electronic instruments instead of the more traditional guitar, bass and drums. The music is clearly interesting, and many aspects fascinate me. I have some difficulties appreciating growl singing though, and consequently I like the instrumental parts best, espeically the one that comes after 2 minutes. I like this track much better than "Prometheus".
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Some comments on the first songs. Logan "Lipstick to the Void": It's like a mix between experimental electronic music and post-1945 avant-garde music. Towards the end it gets a sort of eastern flavour. I like it a lot. Contender. "Disney Town": The intro doesn't sound worlds apart from the previous track, but after that it turns into a more regular song with jazz/rock instrumentation. I'm not entirely sure how to categorize it, but that is meant as a compliment. Parts of it remind me of Portishead. Fine song, but I think I liked the first one better. Shadowyzard I used to watch Eurovision back in the day, but I became increasingly frustrated about the direction it has taken. I think it has very little to do with music anymore, and to be honest, the "Toy" winner was probably the final nail in the coffin for my part. I get that it was written as a MeToo anthem which is of course a positive thing, but sadly I find it too hysterical. It was especially frustrating for me since in the previous year, the contest was won by this song which I genuinely love: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JHt63PDc6Qc As for "What If We", I'd say it's a fine composition, and she sings it very well. The musical arrangement is a bit too pompous for my taste. I often prefer a more dry sound. jamesbaldwin "Carolyn" sounds quite americana to me. The chorus makes me think of "Carrie Ann" by the Hollies. It's a bit difficult for me to judge music like this, because it a bit far away from what I normally listen to. But I do like the folk elements, as well as the string arrangement. "Strange New World" is more rocky and much more me. It has a quite punky attitude and sound. Raw and unpolihed. Vocally he reminds me a bit of Michael Stipe. Should be a contender. I prophesy disaster "Grateful When You're Dead". More rock. I've heard of this band of couse, but I don't think I have ever heard their music before. Raw vocal performance, a lot of "spade" (electric guitar), and a slightly funky beat. Not something I listen to very often, but I like it. After 3 minutes, the song suddenly changes character. We get a slower tempo with bongos as the main rhythm instruments to a Pink Floyd'ish keyboard backdrop. Nice guitar work here too, which reminds me of Gilmour (f.e. the slide notes). It then builds up in intensity, and the song ends. "Sir Psycho Sexy": I already knew this one because back in the day I copied that album to a cassette tape which I still have. I'm not kidding. To be honest, RHCP doesn't ressonate as well with me today as it did back in the 90's. Also, the lyrics make me rather uncomfortable. But one can not deny we are speaking of one of the defining albums of the 1990's. Lewian "Algebra of the Sky": This one puts a smile on my face. The music is obviously dead serious, but serious music can have humor too. It is also fun to watch them turn the knobs and use their "instruments". Very mucy up my alley, and a strong contender. "Adnos I-III" is quite a different beast. Begins with an uncanny drone sound that suddenly ends abruptly, and a new one begins. It is rich in overtones. There are also some very off-key bell-like sounds, as well as some high-pitched "noise" in the background. I guess it would work well as backdrop music for an art installation. Very gripping, and another obvious contender.
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And one more, just in time:
dr wu23: The Byrds “Everybody’s Been Burned” I have not heard this in ages. What a great song, country/folk with a little bit of the psych/blues feel to it, very wistful. Superb vocal, an understated mid-section lead and soft, sweet production, like they used to do. A dreamy, sort of smoky reflective piece. James Gang “Tend My Garden” Swelling organ starts the piece and strummed, washy guitars. An invitation song, another I haven’t heard in a really, really long time. Piano lead in the middle of the tune, and sustained guitar lead. Great juxtaposition between the two pieces.
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No worries, they definitely fit the bill for me (although I could add that if they fit the bill for you, then they do for me). Just as an aside, I mentioned Yin and Yang in my opening post largely as an excuse to put some Bauhaus lyrics in the acrostic I had in the poll options which strangely amuses me "Yin and yang lumber punch. Go taste a tart, then eat my lunch." I was wondering if anyone would get that In the Flat Fields reference (I had planned for that to be my choice, but then forgot -- I was seriously multitasking when I did the topic). I only got into Bauhaus because of the opening scene in The Hunger (with Bela Lugosi's Dead). I had like four possibilities lined up, and think my first three worked better. Edited by Logan - January 25 2021 at 13:48 |
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Heh Logan...I 'm getting too old..I even forgot your were the OP on this one. Well...as I said they are different in style for me and two ways to approach love and relationships. I hope they fit the bill. |
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Just lost my post Doug. It was longer and more explanatory. I'm just looking for two selections that contrast with each other (they can be opposites in some way, but don't need to be). I meant to be pretty open in how one might approach this, and went for some humour that didn't work. I like to leave room for individual interpretation and approach and see the approach that others take (this is very common with me when I make topics). I'd often rather that people think a little out of a box than box people in. I can add those since no one has voted yet.
I can do super vague and hard to decipher, but I actually thought this was reasonably clear and offered a lot of flexibility and variance in approach. "Each of your two choices should contrast with each other (a sort of yin and yang dualist proposition). This does not mean that they must be opposites per se, such as hard vs. soft, aggressive vs. gentle, happy vs. sad, consonant vs. dissonant and so forth, but they should feel quite tonally different to you and at least provide some interesting contrast from your perspective." I have added your choices. Edited by Logan - January 25 2021 at 13:26 |
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Michael Kiske sings in both songs.
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Not sure what the OP wanted here...and I have read his post several times...yin and yang..sort of.....call me confused....
But I love the melodic west coast style rock that is country and folk influenced and the more trad things so....two songs about different ways of looking at love and stylistically different. Two of my favorite songs.... Edited by dr wu23 - January 25 2021 at 12:52 |
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