Dire Straits - Prog Related At Least

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 1980's 'Makin' Movies' LP featured a little tune, 'Skateaway' I have never been able to define.  'Evening paper in/Horror torn/But there's hope for later/Capricorn/Stars give her just enough/To get her home' and 'Then she reads about a swing to the right/But she's thinkin' 'bout a stranger/In the night' makes for a tuneful snack, until you get to the three-minute, instrumental conclusion.  To call it a hook does lasers an injustice.  I loved it and still do.  And this guy does this-- makes a song so highly addictive you can't wait to hear it again-- throughout his career, culminating in a biographical record, 'Shangri La' in 2004, with 'Song for Sonny Liston', 'Boom, Like That', 'Back to Tupelo', 'Stand-Up Guy', and 'Don't Crash the Ambulance' via a near-fatal motorcycle accident:

The big enchilada
Stealing elections
Had to go down there
Trash collection

Brother Knopfler started out as a journalist.  Thus lyrics are the backbone of his most effective songs.  We could think of his process as 'spellbinding', first the lyrics, then the cook.  Many do wander off progfaced, and no one can remember where they were when they heard them.  I like this quote from nowhere:

'A leading exponent of the moody rock lament...' 

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distant quanta Dave Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: November 25 2020 Location: NY Status: Offline Points: 1	Post Options Post Reply Quote distant quanta Dave Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: November 25 2020 at 19:12
	1980's 'Makin' Movies' LP featured a little tune, 'Skateaway' I have never been able to define. 'Evening paper in/Horror torn/But there's hope for later/Capricorn/Stars give her just enough/To get her home' and 'Then she reads about a swing to the right/But she's thinkin' 'bout a stranger/In the night' makes for a tuneful snack, until you get to the three-minute, instrumental conclusion. To call it a hook does lasers an injustice. I loved it and still do. And this guy does this-- makes a song so highly addictive you can't wait to hear it again-- throughout his career, culminating in a biographical record, 'Shangri La' in 2004, with 'Song for Sonny Liston', 'Boom, Like That', 'Back to Tupelo', 'Stand-Up Guy', and 'Don't Crash the Ambulance' via a near-fatal motorcycle accident: The big enchilada Stealing elections Had to go down there Trash collection Brother Knopfler started out as a journalist. Thus lyrics are the backbone of his most effective songs. We could think of his process as 'spellbinding', first the lyrics, then the cook. Many do wander off progfaced, and no one can remember where they were when they heard them. I like this quote from nowhere: 'A leading exponent of the moody rock lament...'

black_diamond Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: October 07 2011 Location: AU Status: Offline Points: 1242	Post Options Post Reply Quote black_diamond Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: November 25 2020 at 17:45
	In my opinion should be Prog Related. "Private Investigator" is somewhat proggy

suitkees Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050	Post Options Post Reply Quote suitkees Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: November 25 2020 at 15:04
	Love their Making Movies album and especially Love Over Gold - think it is much better than many prog albums, but I have never considered Dire Straits being prog. It's not because they made a 14 minute song that it becomes prog... Actually, I've never considered Alan Parsons to be prog either, but they too have made magnificent albums.
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Earl of Mar Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: May 13 2020 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 1214	Post Options Post Reply Quote Earl of Mar Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: November 25 2020 at 14:56
	I like DS but prog? When I saw them in New Cross in the late seventies they were a good competent band with what I thought at the height of the new wave was a retro sound. Sorry,not prof for me, I have Love over Gold though and a fine album it is.

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	I don't find DS to be prog in the least but the Love Over Gold albun is superb.
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Logan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum & Site Admin Group Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 37598	Post Options Post Reply Quote Logan Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: November 25 2020 at 14:11
	Moved this topic to General Music Discussions as the topic does not fit the Suggest New Bands guidelines, which should include music samples, a bio, links. and in a case such as this, then a strong case for inclusion: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=122381 It has been discussed many times. I'm not very familiar with Dire Straits, other than "Telegraph Road" (which is Proggy) and some other stuff which I wouldn't say is) but it didn't readily remind me of Alan Parsons Project or Wishbone Ash, and the best comparisons to make are to ones included in Prog categories that sound most similar and/or share personnel. If you're just going for a really general "this is as Prog as that", then that doesn't make a good case. One thing too is that PA is not very consistent due to all of thee changes that have happened here over the years. By the way, getting into Prog Related can take a lot of effort, and comes with its own expectations. Helps to look at the Prog Related page and see how many of those criteria an act ticks off, and then a Special Collaborator is expected to support it and bring it to the admin team. Here are some of the past topics on this: Topic: Do Dire Straits Count as Prog? (this topic is still open) is Dire Straits prog-related? Dire Straits Dire Straits: Prog-Related? YES. The Dire Straits Dire Straits So you are hardly alone in thinking that it should or might find a place in PA. It was proposed to the Prog Related "team" back in 2011 and rejected.

asbestosLovesProg Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Newbie Joined: October 02 2020 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3	Post Options Post Reply Quote asbestosLovesProg Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: November 25 2020 at 13:39
	Am I wrong? If Alan Parsons Project is prog, and Wishbone Ash is prog related, so is Dire Straits, no? I mean Brothers in Arms is at least prog related, if you ask me. Also Love Over Gold? That's borderline prog. I'm curious what you guys think.