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It's not overrated in that I haven't seen too many people say it compares to the most influential albums of that decade. Yes, it sold really, really well which was a combination of its accessibility, consistency and production. The least good songs on Rumours are still just insubstantial, not BAD. And it has at least four great tracks - Dreams, Chain, Oh Daddy and Gold Dust Woman. I prefer the live cut of Go Your Own Way which is more rocking.

Personally, I prefer Future Dreams. But Rumours was clearly about a band trying to score a hit without really going THAT commercial (compared to say ABBA or disco). And it achieved that goal splendidly. While it is not a patch on the classic Pink Floyd albums, what it does have in common with them is an edge, a mystery that comes through on tracks like Chains. It's not all sweet candy. It rocks and has a soul.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Anders Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2020 at 17:52
I personally think Stevie Nicks' songs are the most interesting ones on Rumours. Especially "Dreams" where the music fits the mood of the lyrics perfectly. Especially with its tonal unstability, or "uncertainty". You can hear it as switching forth and bach between the subdominant and dominant (except in the instrumental break) without reaching the tonic, and that's quite a daring thing to do. Or as the relatively rare mode of lydian. Or as aeolian with the tonic only appearing in the instrumental break.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Steve Wyzard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2020 at 10:58
After hearing songs from the album played relentlessly on the radio during the first summer of its release, I can say today that Rumours would be a much better record if "Go Your Own Way" and "Don't Stop" were replaced with "Silver Springs", the Stevie Nicks song that was relegated to a B-side. (And I say this as someone who tolerates Nicks and considers Lindsey Buckingham a true songwriting genius.) 

Also, count me among those people who consider the Tusk album to be an immaculate masterpiece, and the best thing the band has ever done. I would not change one note.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2020 at 16:07
Penguin did have probably the single most prog song they ever did, even with the kick ass 'tron, so that makes it a bit of a semi-essential prog curio.. 

and a great song it was. 

but yeah..  it was a strange album.. a real transition .. from Kirwan being a primary songwriter and THE primary musical focus to going to Welch's more jazzy inclinations on those last few albums he was with them.


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Yes...Weston was really nothing to rave about...a mediocre replacement imho.
I recall first hearing someone play Penguin in a billiards hall/pinball arcade in college in late 73 and it was pretty boring for the most part...I bought Mytsery and Heroes later but never got Penguin and still don;t have a copy on vinyl.
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I barely even recognized the Name Bob Weston, and had to look up his history with the Mac.  Apparently he was only on 2 albums - "Penguin" and "Mystery to Me".  I had forgotten that "Penguin" even existed, and don't think I have ever heard more than a song or two from it, back in the 1970s
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I just read this interesting article about Fleetwood Mac on KOOL.FM today.....

"If you go back to their beginnings, they were a blues band, with the legendary Peter Green on guitar and vocals.  But there's a middle period of time when Fleetwood Mac sounded more like a 'progressive rock' band."

"You may have seen some press in the past week or so about the death of Fleetwood Mac guitarist Bob Weston at the age of 64.  And you probably thought, WHO?  Weston is the inventive guitarist who replaced Peter Green.  His licks are definitely spacey and progressive in sound."

 
On that basis, I've decided to add Fleetwood Mac to my Prog Britannia YouTube channel. Smile

dear God man...  

Weston did not replace Green...  he replaced if can you call it that Danny Kirwan.. and Weston was more noted for the sordid (it was Fleetwood Mac after all) details of his firing that any musical contributions he made for the one album he played with them on.
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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

I have tried, but I can't really get into the in-between period with Bob Welch. It remains a mystery to me.
It also remains a Mystery to Me how they came up with that bizarre album cover for Bob Weston's last album with Fleetwood Mac. Smile
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I have tried, but I can't really get into the in-between period with Bob Welch. It remains a mystery to me.
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I just read this interesting article about Fleetwood Mac on KOOL.FM today.....

"If you go back to their beginnings, they were a blues band, with the legendary Peter Green on guitar and vocals.  But there's a middle period of time when Fleetwood Mac sounded more like a 'progressive rock' band."

"You may have seen some press in the past week or so about the death of Fleetwood Mac guitarist Bob Weston at the age of 64.  And you probably thought, WHO?  Weston is the inventive guitarist who replaced Peter Green.  His licks are definitely spacey and progressive in sound."

 
On that basis, I've decided to add Fleetwood Mac to my Prog Britannia YouTube channel. Smile
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How can a gem possibly be overrated?



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2020 at 13:40
Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I think it would be cool to have Fleetwood Mac on my prog channel though, even though they're not prog. Smile

are you promoting your youtube channel? Not cool man, not cool. LOL
Deja Vu? Call me uncool then for shamelessly promoting my prog channel with your help. Smile

UNCOOL!
my help? at least you admit you are shamelessly promoting your youtube channel. 
A shame i am the only one to object here. Ouch LOL
So What's New!? Smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2020 at 13:10
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I think it would be cool to have Fleetwood Mac on my prog channel though, even though they're not prog. Smile

are you promoting your youtube channel? Not cool man, not cool. LOL
Deja Vu? Call me uncool then for shamelessly promoting my prog channel with your help. Smile

UNCOOL!
my help? at least you admit you are shamelessly promoting your youtube channel. 
A shame i am the only one to object here. Ouch LOL
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I think it would be cool to have Fleetwood Mac on my prog channel though, even though they're not prog. Smile

are you promoting your youtube channel? Not cool man, not cool. LOL
Deja Vu? Call me uncool then for shamelessly promoting my prog channel with your help. Smile
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

^ I think it would be cool to have Fleetwood Mac on my prog channel though, even though they're not prog. Smile

are you promoting your youtube channel? Not cool man, not cool. LOL
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^ I think it would be cool to have Fleetwood Mac on my prog channel though, even though they're not prog. Smile
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Ya know...I'm a bit disappointed that the 'proggers' here are discussing Rumours.....does anyone know if Progressive Ears are accepting new members...?

LOL

It ain't disappointing at all, proggers are the ones who should be discussing this. Wink
In that case, maybe I'll include Fleetwood Mac on my Prog Britannia YT channel. Wink
 
Besides which, I'm already running out of prog artists beginning with the letter "F" Smile

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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Ya know...I'm a bit disappointed that the 'proggers' here are discussing Rumours.....does anyone know if Progressive Ears are accepting new members...?

LOL

It ain't disappointing at all, proggers are the ones who should be discussing this. Wink
In that case, maybe I'll include Fleetwood Mac on my Prog Britannia YT channel. Wink
 
Besides which, I'm already running out of prog artists beginning with the letter "F" Smile
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

What's polarizing about it? I think 99% of people agree its a classic album with relatively strong pop rock songs front to back.

I agree, I spin it more than any other album of that era and genre, Eagles Hotel California comes in close 2nd. 
Rumours is a brilliant album with amazing song writing by the whole band, and showed how talented they all are especially Stevie Nicks back in '77, what was she like 16yrs old or something LOL.


Nicks is born in 1948, do the math. Big smileLOL

In 1977, I could careless when she was born, I was 12.......Friggin smokin HOT!! 

well, she was not 16. 

But she was, indeed, friggin smoking hot!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 17 2020 at 10:41
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

What's polarizing about it? I think 99% of people agree its a classic album with relatively strong pop rock songs front to back.

I agree, I spin it more than any other album of that era and genre, Eagles Hotel California comes in close 2nd. 
Rumours is a brilliant album with amazing song writing by the whole band, and showed how talented they all are especially Stevie Nicks back in '77, what was she like 16yrs old or something LOL.


Nicks is born in 1948, do the math. Big smileLOL

In 1977, I could careless when she was born, I was 12.......Friggin smokin HOT!! 

well, she was not 16. 
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