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Poll Question: Choose your three favorite songs
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BTW Exuma is from the Bahamas. That's not Latin America!

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As a heads up, I'll start up the next non-prog poll tomorrow night U.S Eastern time and run the nomination period through Friday with voting to start over the weekend. We'll try out Mickey's suggestion from earlier in this thread for keeping nominations loose until Friday. 
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

o the absurd theater that makes it interesting. I don't know if it may be a contender to the podium.

Nicky and Lorenzo hit the mark Clap. Zie de Mannen Vallen (See the Men Falling) was a mix of music, absurdist theatre and images. It was on Dutch TV in 1979. The album was the soundtrack of this performance: 6 songs in Dutch, 1 in German and 4 instrumentals.
   

This is why these polls have been so interesting to me, widening my horizons, the exposure to what is outside of my "normal," listening habits.  It's why, at least to me, "winning," is not important.  I take notice of what each person brings and think about it.   Makes me consider other viewpoints, I don't just "change the station."
 
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Vijver Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroren ~ I love the translated lyrics!  I’m not so fond of the piece, itself.  But the music does go well with the lyrics, sort of absurdist in feel.  Not a contender for me though, but certainly outside of what I would listen to normally, so made me think.


Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

Other impressions:

8) Hauser Orkater is an interesting hybrid between a military march and a tango. It looks like a cabaret song, very theatrical, with the most recited lyrics that you sing. Musically it does not seem exciting to me, but it has a grotesque flavor from the top and perhaps close to the absurd theater that makes it interesting. I don't know if it may be a contender to the podium.


Nicky and Lorenzo hit the mark Clap. Zie de Mannen Vallen (See the Men Falling) was a mix of music, absurdist theatre and images. It was on Dutch TV in 1979. The album was the soundtrack of this performance: 6 songs in Dutch, 1 in German and 4 instrumentals.


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1. Inti Illimani
2. Francesco Guccini
3. Kronos Quartet
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4. Alexandre Klinke
5. Working Week
6. Chicoria Sánchez
7. Meta Meta

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Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Here's my out of competition song - an absolutely beautiful piece of music and singing that is rather well-known in Italy because of the cover by Mina. The genre is, of course, bossa nova (dedicated to our dear friend Guigo aka Atkingani and his lovely wife Ana Heart):



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2020 at 17:42
if you get a chance .. do check them out. There were some really bitcin' alt selections in here. I nearly wrote one in as my 3rd vote..LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2020 at 17:21
Have heard everything once now. As I was away for two days, I didn't have time yet for the out of competition stuff, but will listen to that, too.

At the moment only one thing is clear. No way am I not voting for Inti-Illimani. Actually I know this band pre-split 2004 pretty well and I like them a lot. I have hardly heard anything of Inti-Illimani Historico and Nuevo though, but this one is excellent, actually I was really excited listening to it, and easily up with their best pre-2004. I definitely need to check out more of Inti Nuevo.


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So my votes are in. I went for:
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Meta Meta - Logun: I've already written about this, but it is phenomenal. The guitar and brass riffs, drumbeat, rhythm instruments. Very original. I'm pretty sure this will get one of my votes.

Working Week - Vinceremos. Claves rhythm. The English lyric parts drag it down a bit for me. I also find the vocals rather uninteresting. Not a bad song, there are many good elements, f.e. I really like the chorus, or pre-chorus. But overall the song doesn't entirely grab me.

Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor. Glad it's not "The Girl From Ipanema" (which is a great song, it is just too well-known). Another pleasantly relaxed and moody bossa nova, so what is not to like about it? It will probably miss my votes in the end, because whilst it is a really great song, it doesn't tell me anything I didn't already know. So it doesn't overwhelm me like some other songs have done.

Chicoria Sánchez - Tonada por Despedida. More beautiful guitar chords. Again, nothing new for me here, but it's absolutely something I like to listen to. Not enough for me to vote for it though.

Rodrigo y Gabriela - Hanuman. This, unfortunately, does not appeal to my taste.

Doug Sahm - Medocino. For most part things related to country do very little for me. I can understand its catchiness though, but overall it is not my taste.

Lula Cortes & Ze Ramalho - Trilha De Sume. This should be another contender. Kind of psychedelic with its hypnotic atmosphere. I wonder if they have been listening to Their Satanic Majesties Request. The track "Gomper" comes to mind.


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OK, got round to listening to all the songs once again, and finally making my choice. This time around it was really hard to choose only three - so much wonderful stuff! Anyway, here's my top 3:

Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé (fully deserving of addition to the PA database, IMHO)
Francesco Guccini - Scirocco (a splendid homage to one of our greatest singer-songwriters, who turned 80 a few days ago)
Kronos Quartet & Astor Piazzolla - Five Tango Sensations: Anxiety (pure class!)

Simmering just below the top, another three wonderful tracks:
Working Week - Venceremos
Meta Meta - Logun
Alexandre Klinke - Lugar

Well done, everyoneClap! So much incredible music. Looking forward to the next one!
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pretty much settled on my top 3.. while all good/great..  two really stood on from the first listen (one loved so much it  became a mobile player addition) and didn't dim on repeat listens.  Finding the third even wasn't that hard. A couple of extra listens separated it from the pack.  Will do one last listen this evening and post my thoughts tonight or tomorrow.

Great choices all the way around everyone Beer

looking forward to this weeks edition.. I'll be really curious to see what you all choose hahahaWink


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So, I've been over these tracks several times and have to admit there are some great posts which made it one of the most difficult.  I'm going to have to pass on the Stan Getz track since I am already a fan and enjoy his music very much.  However, I think I have arrived at a top three now after fighting back and forth in my head.  

1. Meta Meta - Logun.  Intriguing and interesting all the way through.  I definitely want to check out more of their music based on this.
2. Exuma - Exuma The Obeah Man.  This one stands out among the entries as one of the most original tracks, plus it leans towards the pan-head sound.
3. Doug Sahm - Medocino.  I have a love for the music of this area and am ashamed that I am not very familiar with Sahm.  It's time to change this.

Other highlights from this poll:
Francesco Guccini:  Again, I love the Italian sound and the fact that he has incorporated Latin Rock elements even make it better.
Working Week:  Very enjoyable and it hits all of the right spots for me.
Alexander Klinke: Again, I really enjoy this track, but it didn't quite make the top 3.

All in all, these were excellent posts and helped me open the door wider for my knowledge of Latin American music which has been woefully lacking, but which I fully appreciate when it appears in music.



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Originally posted by The Anders The Anders wrote:

Francesco Guccini - Scirocco: I really like the acoustic bass in the beginning. Then enters accordion and acoustic guitar and a very Italian type of melody. Harmonically I am a sucker for dim chords. Like the previous Guccini entry, the song sounds very literary to me, so I wish I had a translation at hand, but thankfully I can enjoy the melancholic mood.

It is a very strong edition, and one I enjoy a lot more than the instrumental one, so there will be more competition for my votes. The song is absolutely a contender.

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Ricordi le strade erano piene di quel lucido scirocco
Che trasforma la realtà abusata e la rende irreale
Sembravano alzarsi le torri in un largo gesto barocco
E in via dei Giudei volavan velieri come in un porto canale
Tu dietro al vetro di un bar impersonale
Seduto a un tavolo da poeta francese
Con la tua solita faccia aperta ai dubbi
E un po' di rosso routine dentro al bicchiere
Pensai di entrare per stare assieme a bere
E a chiacchierare di nubi
Ma lei arrivò affrettata danzando nella rosa
Di un abito di percalle che le fasciava i fianchi
E cominciò a parlare ed ordinò qualcosa
Mentre nel cielo rinnovato correvano le nubi a branchi
E le lacrime si aggiunsero al latte di quel tè
E le mani disegnavano sogni e certezze
Ma io sapevo come ti sentivi schiacciato
Fra lei e quell'altra che non sapevi lasciare
Tra i tuoi due figli e l'una e l'altra morale
Come sembravi inchiodato
Lei si alzò con un gesto finale
Poi andò via senza voltarsi indietro
Mentre quel vento la riempiva
Di ricordi impossibili
Di confusione e immagini
Lui restò come chi non sa proprio cosa fare
Cercando ancora chissà quale soluzione
Ma è meglio poi un giorno solo da ricordare
Che ricadere in una nuova realtà sempre identica
Ora non so davvero dove lei sia finita
Se ha partorito un figlio o come inventa le sere, lui
Abita da solo e divide la vita
Fra il lavoro, versi inutili e la routine d'un bicchiere
Soffiasse davvero quel vento di scirocco
E arrivasse ogni giorno per spingerci a guardare
Dietro alla faccia abusata delle cose
Nei labirinti oscuri della case
Dietro allo specchio segreto d'ogni viso
Dentro di noi.

TRANSLATION

Do yuo remember? The streets were fully of that shiny wind of Scirocco
That transforms the abused reality and makes it unreal
the towers seemed to rise in a broad baroque gesture
And in via dei Giudei flew sailing ships as in a canal port
You behind the glass of an impersonal bar
Sitting at a French poet's table
With your usual face open to doubts
And a little red (wine) routine inside the glass
I thought about going in to drink together
And to chat about clouds

But she came hurriedly dancing in the rose
Of a gingham dress that wrapped around her hips
And she started talking and ordered something
While the clouds flocked in the renewed sky
And the tears added to the milk of that tea
And the hands drew dreams and certainties
But I knew how you felt crushed
Between her and the other one you didn't know how to leave
Between your two children and one and the other moral
How you looked nailed

She stood up with a final gesture
Then she left without looking back
While that wind filled it
Of impossible memories
Confusing and images
(instrumental piece)
He remained like someone who doesn't know what to do
Still looking for who knows what solution
But it is better just a day to remember
Than to fall back into a new, always identical reality
(instrumental piece)
Now I don't really know where she ended up
If she has given birth to a child or as she invents her evenings,
He lives alone and divides life
Between work, unnecessary verses and the routine of a glass
I hope that sirocco wind will really blew
And it would come every day to push us to look
Behind the abused face of things
In the dark labyrinths of the houses
Behind the secret mirror of each face
Inside us


Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 28 2020 at 09:41
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Kronos Quartet & Astor Piazzolla - Five Tango Sensations: Anxiety: Tango meets 20th Century classical music. Fascinating combination, and as such an obvious contender for my votes.

Exuma, The Obeah Man: Interesting combination of acoustic instrumentation and soul / rhythm & blues vocals. I somehow get associations to "Sympathy for the Devil".

Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroren Vijver: I really like this. Tango obviously, but there is also a touch of cabaret. Very decadent. Interesting chord changes too. Should be a contender.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Snicolette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2020 at 08:33
My final votes and some more in-depth thoughts on the pieces I chose.

Doug Sahm - Medocino ~  This one, going to not vote…..although I’d said I might.  Still, it’s own place somewhere above the Top 3, if there was a heaven above 1.  Thank you for bringing Doug Sahm to the party, I almost did, myself.  Extra points for using “Mendocino,” mentioned elsewhere a family favourite summering spot from the 1950’s into the 1970’s and beyond.  Great aunt & uncle owned a 100 acre ranch there since the 1930’s.  Obviously, this got a lot of radio play there, locally, so sentimental for me. And I know the “real,” Mendocino he was referring to, before it became a tourist destination.  It was a hauntingly, beautiful coastal town, almost, but not quite, a ghost town, except for a few artists who’d settled there. Also enjoyed your potentials.  And especial thanks for Nuevo Laredo on Friday.  Lampshade?  What lampshade?  That was a Folklorico skirt.  

1.       Inti Illimani - A La Caza del Nandù ~ Oh, I just love this.  Complex guitar work, lovely ornamentation with the violin, the Andean pipes, brass and flute, punctuated by the percussion  Dynamically engaging.  Perfectly in my wheelhouse of this kind of music and extra points for something like this that I wasn’t familiar with.  I love hearing music that is so good and hearing for the first time is like reading a wonderful novel for the first time, can’t quite be repeated.

2.       Francesco Guccini - Scirocco ~ I enjoyed this one, on first listen, the singer sounded a little strident to me, second time around, less so.  I used a translator for the lyrics (even though you’d said not as important, I did want to know what he was singing about).  I like the use of accordion or concertina, brings the café feel into the song. I watch clouds a lot (mentioned in lyrics).  Also loved the beautiful Tango video you posted and your review was, as always, very insightful.  Your deeper explanation of the dance was very appreciated as well.

3.    Meta Meta – Logun ~ Enjoyed this one….moved right along and swept me with it.  I was not as fond of the first singer as I was the music…..Until the backup singers came in.  Then I loved that part.  Then the female singer was fabulous.  As expected, this grew on me and I ended up hearing, in my mind’s ear, the various parts throughout the day.  There’s something about those hypnotic kinds of chorus-y voices, the horn section and even the occasional siren noise cutting across that’s kind of addictive.

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Djavan (w/The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim: Jazz/latin fusion. This one is not so much me, perhaps because it sounds too much like I would expect that kind of music to sound. But absolutely not bad.



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Francesco Guccini - Scirocco: I really like the acoustic bass in the beginning. Then enters accordion and acoustic guitar and a very Italian type of melody. Harmonically I am a sucker for dim chords. Like the previous Guccini entry, the song sounds very literary to me, so I wish I had a translation at hand, but thankfully I can enjoy the melancholic mood.

It is a very strong edition, and one I enjoy a lot more than the instrumental one, so there will be more competition for my votes. The song is absolutely a contender.
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Ok, here's to you my ranking:

First two songs

1) Lula Cortes & Ze Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé. Wonderful fusion of ambient music and Latin American rhythms, with great creativity on the arrangement. Let's open the Afro-Latin American jazz-rock /Fusion genre here in PA!

2) Metà Metà - Logun. Wondeful syncretic music, with big effort to find new harmonic and arrangement solutions. And this is prog.

These two song are close to be masterpiece. 

Than, my old loves: 3) Inti Illimani, for their wisdom in the arrangement of the song, that produce a wonderful sound.

This is the podium.

Near to the podium:
4) Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroven Vijver, for his grotesque theatrical mood

5) Doug Sahm: Medocino, because this song makes me hilarious

6) Exuma, the Obeah Man - because I like to dance this song.

7) And... Spite of the saudade, Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor! Very good Latin Jazz Bossanova

8) Djavan - Capim.

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But the real winner is Atahualpa, the last king of Incas.




Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 28 2020 at 06:49
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Fourth and last message about my impressions

12) Chicoria Sanchez: goog instrumental piece on the guitar, very technical on guitar, however it is difficult for an instrumental piece on acoustic guitar to excite me very much.

13) Alexander Klinke - beginning with synthetic drums, than comes the voice... o my God, the saudade hits again! Bu the rhythm is very sustained, with electronic music. Brave experiment of contamination between electronic and cibernetic sound and Brazilian saudad, but I dont like the sound, the result in terms of arrangement.

14) Rodrygo & Gabriela - This instrumental piece is a display of virtuosity on two acoustic guitars, with a frenzied rhythm. Very good piece, I cant say nothing bad, technically it's remarkable, but it doesn't convey much to me on an emotional level, I see more of an exercise in style than a real inspiration. I am always very demanding on instrumental pieces based on virtuosy.

15) Doug Sahm : hilarious tex mex song, typical concert song, with keyboards to give the suond, even if the solo is on the electric guitar, which in my opinion sends us more into the mexican atmosphere. Good the ending. Very pleasant. The podium? I do not know

16) Lula Cortez: this is new music for my ears! It sounds almost like ambient music, but then the singing comes and ... Thank God I don't hear the saudade! The rhythm is quite sustained, and the singing is mechanical, it serves more than anything else to reinforce the rhythm, and the arrangement is very rich, with sounds of all kinds, I think it can be considered progressive: also in this case I suggest the opening of a category of afro-latin american jazz-rock fusion. However, it is a remarkable piece for the richness of the arrangement, the sound and creativity. Podium.
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