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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Battle of Epping forest fits the concept perfectly. A triumph of lyrical comedic social comment. But non brits tend not to get the zeitgeist...


Oh, we non-Brits "get it". We got it in the first couple minutes of the song. Unfortunately, a 4-5 minute song that drags on with errant rambling and noodling for nearly 12 minutes wrecks the pacing of what otherwise is a brilliant album. One of the few songs of that era of Genesis that bores me to tears.

To this day, I thank Emerson, Lake and Palmer for limiting "Benny the Bouncer" to 2:21. 

I think the comparison of the chas N Dave Emerson track with a Genesis masterclass of prog rock punditry is the height of ignorance....Gabriel penned lyrics which are delivered in an assortment of character voices are part of a track which extends on the social commentary of "Harold the Barrel" another example to ELP of what a track of that type should sound like...it's a great track. Anybody who rates more fool me as better than it should stick to boy bands and stay away from symphonic prog...
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These two little albums prove that about 30 minutes is completely enough to satisfy the most demanding artistic tastes:

The Viola Crayola - Music: Breathing of States 1974 (29'15min)

Sintesis - Sintesis 1976 (32'43min with bonus track)

ok - they may not be iconic, but they should be!
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Battle of Epping forest fits the concept perfectly. A triumph of lyrical comedic social comment. But non brits tend not to get the zeitgeist...

Oh, we non-Brits "get it". We got it in the first couple minutes of the song. Unfortunately, a 4-5 minute song that drags on with errant rambling and noodling for nearly 12 minutes wrecks the pacing of what otherwise is a brilliant album. One of the few songs of that era of Genesis that bores me to tears.
 
 
Well I like it.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Battle of Epping forest fits the concept perfectly. A triumph of lyrical comedic social comment. But non brits tend not to get the zeitgeist...

Oh, we non-Brits "get it". We got it in the first couple minutes of the song. Unfortunately, a 4-5 minute song that drags on with errant rambling and noodling for nearly 12 minutes wrecks the pacing of what otherwise is a brilliant album. One of the few songs of that era of Genesis that bores me to tears.

To this day, I thank Emerson, Lake and Palmer for limiting "Benny the Bouncer" to 2:21. 
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I've always felt Pink Floyd's Animals was missing something. A donkey or a goat. Maybe one brown mouse. Something.
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Battle of Epping forest fits the concept perfectly. A triumph of lyrical comedic social comment. But non brits tend not to get the zeitgeist...
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Indeed, the Battle of Epping Forest is an awful cringefest from start to finish.[/QUOTE[

Or how to lose 10 000 000 points of credibility in one sentence TongueBig smile

the best thing on that album with Moonlit Knight

[QUOTE=Grubert]
Hey, and now we have enough space to add Twilight Alehouse ...

Alehouse dates from well before SEBTP and should be included on Cryme or Foxtrot once you've taken the weak tracks out Wink

I totally agree "Twilight Alehouse" should be put on "Nursery Cryme", as well as the single "Happy the Man". Friede and I actually created our own version of NC with first HTM and then TA following the original 7 tracks. oh, and for me there are no weak tracks on NC. "short and simple" does not equal "weak" at all, "short and simple" is part of the art for me


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Genesis: Selling England by the Pound: 53:50


 
some people would say they could have shaved a few minutes off by removing "More Fool Me" and making it even more iconic.


I'm one of those people.
 

and Battle of Epping Forest and also maybe I know What I like (yawn), although not a bad track, Epping Forest does not stand along side Dancing With The Moonlit Knight , Cinema Show and Firth Of fifth
fixed , now we have the perfect 36 minute prog album!


Sacreledge! Extend FOF out to 20 minutes, cinema show 23 mins DWTMK 20 mins and Forest to 22 mins....chop the rest...you prog heretic. .

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Originally posted by Grubert Grubert wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Alehouse dates from well before SEBTP and should be included on Cryme or Foxtrot once you've taken the weak tracks out Wink


Yeah, I know, and its style would not fit that well with SEBTP, and I assume it was recorded earlier, in the Foxtrot sessions most likely. 
 

I understand Alehuse already existed in one form or another in the Tresspass days . Next to The Knife, it sounds better than next to Firth or Cinema
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:


Alehouse dates from well before SEBTP and should be included on Cryme or Foxtrot once you've taken the weak tracks out Wink


Yeah, I know, and its style would not fit that well with SEBTP, and I assume it was recorded earlier, in the Foxtrot sessions most likely.

But whatever, the 3 shorter songs on SEBTP feel indeed like fillers for me, and actually the 4 "epic" songs are long enough to make an album. But Epic Forest is, like I mentioned before, one that I do not enjoy, it hasn't an interesting melody.

The 2 previous albums are good like they are, and are also the 2 I like the most from Genesis. Of course there would have been space on Nursery Crime to include Alehouse, and I think that it was in their live set at the time they recorded that album.


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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Indeed, the Battle of Epping Forest is an awful cringefest from start to finish.

Or how to lose 10 000 000 points of credibility in one sentence TongueBig smile

the best thing on that album with Moonlit Knight

Alehouse dates from well before SEBTP and should be included on Cryme or Foxtrot once you've taken the weak tracks out Wink



The corny lyrics and stupid attempts at accents by middle class arty types about a gang battle made every working class London kid cringe when we heard it. Credibility? Yes, you had none in my school if you liked that song.
 
The song is a spoof. 

who cares about if the sung accent are not 100%, the texts are hilarious  - by far the funniest of all Genesis tracks - and easily their top "rock opera" song of theirs - as opposed to the poor Harold The Barrel, the flawed Get Them Out, the rather good Assault & Battery and the OK All In A Mouse's Night. 

Harold Demure
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Bob The Knob 
Smacks across the gob

Bob The Knob 
Came Out on the job

Mick The Prick
Fresh Out of Nick 

Saw a sign "Beautiful Chest"
Lead me to a lady who showed me her best 
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Indeed, the Battle of Epping Forest is an awful cringefest from start to finish.[/QUOTE[

Or how to lose 10 000 000 points of credibility in one sentence TongueBig smile

the best thing on that album with Moonlit Knight

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Alehouse dates from well before SEBTP and should be included on Cryme or Foxtrot once you've taken the weak tracks out Wink



The corny lyrics and stupid attempts at accents by middle class arty types about a gang battle made every working class London kid cringe when we heard it. Credibility? Yes, you had none in my school if you liked that song.
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Indeed, the Battle of Epping Forest is an awful cringefest from start to finish.[/QUOTE[

Or how to lose 10 000 000 points of credibility in one sentence TongueBig smile

the best thing on that album with Moonlit Knight

[QUOTE=Grubert]
Hey, and now we have enough space to add Twilight Alehouse ...

Alehouse dates from well before SEBTP and should be included on Cryme or Foxtrot once you've taken the weak tracks out Wink


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

[QUOTE=Frenetic Zetetic][QUOTE=chopper][QUOTE=Mortte]

and Battle of Epping Forest and also maybe I know What I like (yawn), although not a bad track, Epping Forest does not stand along side Dancing With The Moonlit Knight , Cinema Show and Firth Of Fifth.

1. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight (8:01)
2. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) (4:06)
3. Firth Of Fifth (9:34)
4. More Fool Me (3:09)
5. The Battle Of Epping Forest(11:43)
6. After The Ordeal (4:12)
7. The Cinema Show (11:06)
8. Aisle Of Plenty (1:31)

fixed , now we have the perfect 36 minute prog album!


Hihi, yes, that's pretty similar to my feelings. I would also cut out After the Ordeal, a rather forgettable instrumental. And honestly, as much as I like the 3 then remaining tracks (with Aisle Of Plenty viewed as a part of the Cinema Show), all 3 would benefit from some shortening.
Hey, and now we have enough space to add Twilight Alehouse ...




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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Genesis: Selling England by the Pound: 53:50
 
some people would say they could have shaved a few minutes off by removing "More Fool Me" and making it even more iconic.

I'm one of those people.
 

and Battle of Epping Forest and also maybe I know What I like (yawn), although not a bad track, Epping Forest does not stand along side Dancing With The Moonlit Knight , Cinema Show and Firth Of Fifth.

1. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight (8:01)
2. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) (4:06)
3. Firth Of Fifth (9:34)
4. More Fool Me (3:09)
5. The Battle Of Epping Forest(11:43)
6. After The Ordeal (4:12)
7. The Cinema Show (11:06)
8. Aisle Of Plenty (1:31)

fixed , now we have the perfect 36 minute prog album!


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Agents of Fortunes is a great album.

Edited by LAM-SGC - February 18 2020 at 14:24
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Blue Oyster Cult – Agents of Fortune (36:18), the album with "(Don't Fear) The Reaper" & "E.T.I."

Shorter than both Secret Treaties and Spectres, directly before/after.
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Rush's Permanent Waves is so short! Only 6 songs and only 35:35!
 

Much firepower in such a short time frame! Clap
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