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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

I saw a Pink Floyd tribute band do the extended songs bullsh*t once in Sweden, the whole first half of the set was songs from The Wall and TFC, and they extended almost every song sometimes by up to about 5 minutes, turning it into a kind of jazz free for all, with several instruments taking solos....it was extremely f***ing boring. People don't go to see (as in this case a sit-down concert in a theatre) a tribute band to hear extended solos, and posturing, they want to hear the songs faithfully reproduced. A cover band can do whatever they want but not a tribute band.


That's strange... perhaps in theory it should have worked, since Pink Floyd was very much into that (jamming and extending their songs, specially before Dark Side). But then, I guess that's what made Pink Floyd so special, being able to pull those things out.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Like I said. Go one beyond the genesis show and extend the hell out of Watcher. I once was drinking pre-gig in Manchester with Pallas..Crowd of about six...asking them to extend the tracks and give us pomposity and mellotron to die for...Thus .March on atlantis..extended out to 40 mins at least...best gig I ever saw...



There is inspired pomposity and forced pomposity.

In my opinion, the instrumental beginning of Watching is beautiful but the following does not maintain expectations. Sometimes it happens that you find an excellent instrumental passage, but then this makes, with its repetition, the song too ... caged. Another excellent example of pomposity is the solo to the organ (I guess) by Wakeman in the middle of Close to the Edge. There the effect is very pompous, it seems the sound of an organ concert in a cathedral but in my opinion it is well suited to the piece, it reaches a great pathos.


It's just about what happens with Watcher of the Skies for me too. Just give Hackett's version on Tokyo Tapes a try... somehow I do find that one so much better... warmer, and Wetton's performance much less annoying... I do love that version... I don't really understand how I can rather dislike an original and love so much a later version, specially since it's rather faithful to the original anyway. About that section on CttE, it's indeed a church organ, and when I was getting into Yes (and prog), it was one of my first albums, and that section was one of the hooks that kept me coming back to the song, until I got it and loved it all.
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

I saw a Pink Floyd tribute band do the extended songs bullsh*t once in Sweden, the whole first half of the set was songs from The Wall and TFC, and they extended almost every song sometimes by up to about 5 minutes, turning it into a kind of jazz free for all, with several instruments taking solos....it was extremely f***ing boring. People don't go to see (as in this case a sit-down concert in a theatre) a tribute band to hear extended solos, and posturing, they want to hear the songs faithfully reproduced. A cover band can do whatever they want but not a tribute band.

I'd agree that there's a difference between a cover band and a tribute band, in regards to expectations.

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There is always some fooker who punctures the dream....
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I saw a Pink Floyd tribute band do the extended songs bullsh*t once in Sweden, the whole first half of the set was songs from The Wall and TFC, and they extended almost every song sometimes by up to about 5 minutes, turning it into a kind of jazz free for all, with several instruments taking solos....it was extremely f***ing boring. People don't go to see (as in this case a sit-down concert in a theatre) a tribute band to hear extended solos, and posturing, they want to hear the songs faithfully reproduced. A cover band can do whatever they want but not a tribute band.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Like I said. Go one beyond the genesis show and extend the hell out of Watcher. I once was drinking pre-gig in Manchester with Pallas..Crowd of about six...asking them to extend the tracks and give us pomposity and mellotron to die for...Thus .March on atlantis..extended out to 40 mins at least...best gig I ever saw...


There is inspired pomposity and forced pomposity.

In my opinion, the instrumental beginning of Watching is beautiful but the following does not maintain expectations. Sometimes it happens that you find an excellent instrumental passage, but then this makes, with its repetition, the song too ... caged. Another excellent example of pomposity is the solo to the organ (I guess) by Wakeman in the middle of Close to the Edge. There the effect is very pompous, it seems the sound of an organ concert in a cathedral but in my opinion it is well suited to the piece, it reaches a great pathos.
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Like I said. Go one beyond the genesis show and extend the hell out of Watcher. I once was drinking pre-gig in Manchester with Pallas..Crowd of about six...asking them to extend the tracks and give us pomposity and mellotron to die for...Thus .March on atlantis..extended out to 40 mins at least...best gig I ever saw...

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If your audience is accustomed to Collins-era covers, I think these would be the easiest for them to digest:

  • Back In N.Y.C.
  • Counting Out Time
  • Carpet Crawlers
  • I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
  • The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Spell humour right sonny...

both are correct

can we get back on topic?
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Spell humour right sonny...
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

And yes I'm not a universe zero fan...but this is a Genesis thread!! Comprende?
Yes I understand enough to know that your argument is irrelevant because you argumented with "prog rock site" and not "Genesis-thread". And I don't know... grow a sense of humor maybe?
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I have seen about four or five different Genesis tribute acts...None of them has considered extending the best bits, go one beyond your show so to speak...
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^ ok, enough off-topic-ness.
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Yes. The FKs...I refer to as the Flokis...or FK. Perhaps long hand is better for comprehension...
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

If you don't like long songs, dont go to a FK concert. My youngest son tends to like some really strange stuff. So perhaps its a generational thing. Symphonic prog for the fifties++...You get that demographic in the audiences definately...

I was trying to figure out what is FK (if anything, to me it means Freak Kitchen), but I think you mean The Flower Kings, that's TFK for me. LOL
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And yes I'm not a universe zero fan...but this is a Genesis thread!! Comprende?

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If you don't like long songs, dont go to a FK concert. My youngest son tends to like some really strange stuff. So perhaps its a generational thing. Symphonic prog for the fifties++...You get that demographic in the audiences definately...

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^ Nail on head. Of course its all about subjective opinion, but anybody who sits outside a FK concert while they are performing GOD, which I think is a bit too short for my liking, aint having an opinion which I link with a symphonic prog fan..
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Originally posted by LAM-SGC LAM-SGC wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


I'm not aware that prog had many 'casual listeners'.
 

Of course it has, it is only big fans of "prog" that call it "prog" Most people call it what it actually is, pop or rock.

And most music listeners are the oppositie of what you suggest, they just like the music they don't care about the fashons or what is trendy or about being cool. It is really only those within sub-cultures and certain lifestyles that do that.   

Something that made me laugh the other day, not sure if it was on this forum or another one, but someone started a thread about "prog T-shirts"   Really?  

Most prog is not pop. Casual listeners do not enjoy long(er) songs, they do not know artists beyond their hits (which sometimes annoys me, I'll admit that), they only listen to what it's spoon-fed to them in the mainstream. Someone was asking on facebook a while ago - "what app is good these days to listen to music?" and I saw red, which rarely happens to me. 
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:


I'm not aware that prog had many 'casual listeners'.
 

Of course it has, it is only big fans of "prog" that call it "prog" Most people call it what it actually is, pop or rock.

And most music listeners are the oppositie of what you suggest, they just like the music they don't care about the fashons or what is trendy or about being cool. It is really only those within sub-cultures and certain lifestyles that do that.   

Something that made me laugh the other day, not sure if it was on this forum or another one, but someone started a thread about "prog T-shirts"   Really?  


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