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Topic: most revered "old" Genesis songs
Posted By: Lamneth
Subject: most revered "old" Genesis songs
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 09:58
I play in a Genesis tribute band, and up to this point we've been focusing on the post-Gabriel music. We're going to delve into the older stuff soon, and I wanted some opinions on what would be the most essential songs, say the top 5, that we should play? I think Supper's Ready is going to be out due to the complexity and length of the song.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 10:03
When I'm going to a Genesis tribute show, I wan't to hear The Knife.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 10:12
The marvellous 1973 Live album has most of the best stuff. On top of that maybe the Cinema Show, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, Fly on a Windshield.
If your listeners are mainly into later Genesis, they will probably love Carpet Crawlers.
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 11:41
Lewian wrote:
The marvellous 1973 Live album has most of the best stuff. On top of that maybe the Cinema Show, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, Fly on a Windshield.
If your listeners are mainly into later Genesis, they will probably love Carpet Crawlers. |
I dig this answer - I think he's spot on.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 12:18
Some personal favourites are 'Can Utility and the Coastliners', 'Cinema Show', 'The Fountain of Salmacis', 'In the Cage', 'Firth of Fifth'.
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Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 12:32
1. Watcher of the Skies2. Firth of the Fifth 3. Carpet Crawlers 4. The Musical Box 5. I Know What I Like
That would be my set if Supper's Ready is disqualified.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 12:53
No Supper's Ready? Sacrilege.
Anyway, if you ask five different people you will probably get five different answers. Here is my list of five(I'll also add another five as a bonus). Nope, no "carpet crawlers" from me but I'm sure others will list it. ;)
1. Firth of Fifth (next to SR this is the most essential Genesis song imo). 2. The Musical Box 3. Watcher of the Skies 4. In the Cage (you could do what the original Genesis did with this and incorporate a medley in it) 5. Cinema Show/ Aisle of Plenty (really one track imo)
Bonus 5:
The Knife The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (title track) Fountain of Sulmacis Stagnation (very under rated imo) Return of the Giant Hogweed
Just missed the list: Dancing with the moonlit knight
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 12:55
Friday13th wrote:
1. Watcher of the Skies2. Firth of the Fifth 3. Carpet Crawlers 4. The Musical Box 5. I Know What I Like
That would be my set if Supper's Ready is disqualified. |
Pretty much this, I'm not sure I would even want to hear Suppers' Ready. I suspect that would eat up 80% of your allotted set time.
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 13:22
The Knife The Musical Box Watcher of the Skies Can-Utility and the Coastliners Dancing with the Moonlit Knight
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Posted By: Argo2112
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 13:32
Watcher of The Skies Firth of Fifth The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway In the Cage The Musical Box
Also you may want to conciser doing some abbreviated sections of Supper's Ready. That end section is so powerful. May be incorporate it in to a melody with something else.
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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 15:37
You really should try 'Twilight Alehouse' and 'Happy the Man'. Just because nobody else does.
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 16:49
Just learn Supper's Ready and you're all set .
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 17:00
If I could see Genesis in concert, I'd like to listen:
1. Looking for Someone, 2. White Mountain 3 The Knife (Trespass is a great album)
4. The Return of the Giant Hogweed (Musical Box is a must but in my opinion is overrated) 5. Time Table 6. Can-Utility and the Coastliners (the last one is for me the best track of Foxtrot) 7. Dancing with the Moonlight Knight 8. Firth of Fifth. 9. The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway 10. The Carpet Crawlers
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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 17:02
Just play this album in its entirety.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 17:31
^Yup. Problem solved.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 18:00
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
No Supper's Ready? Sacrilege.
Anyway, if you ask five different people you will probably get five different answers. Here is my list of five(I'll also add another five as a bonus). Nope, no "carpet crawlers" from me but I'm sure others will list it. ;)
1. Firth of Fifth (next to SR this is the most essential Genesis song imo). 2. The Musical Box 3. Watcher of the Skies 4. In the Cage (you could do what the original Genesis did with this and incorporate a medley in it) 5. Cinema Show/ Aisle of Plenty (really one track imo)
Bonus 5:
The Knife The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (title track) Fountain of Sulmacis Stagnation (very under rated imo) Return of the Giant Hogweed
Just missed the list: Dancing with the moonlit knight |
Pretty much how I feel.
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 20:49
Because you said Gabriel's period: The Return of the Giant Hogweed Looking For Someone
The Musical Box Dancing With The Moonlit Knight The Knife
Had you asked for Genesis as a whole, regardless of period, it would have been: Blood on the Rooftops The Return of the Giant Hogweed Ripples Follow You Follow Me
Dance on a Volcano
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 20:50
My list of very favourites from Genesis is mostly from their classic line-up, and it includes: - The Musical Box. - Supper's Ready (yeah, I know, you said you wouldn't play it anyway). - Dancing with the Moonlit Knight. - Firth of Fifth. - The Cinema Show.
I might add as close ones, The Knife (because of the live version with the classic line-up) and In the Cage. Yet, if you are thinking about pleasing the more pop oriented fans of the 80's stuff too, then you might consider including "I know what I like".
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 29 2019 at 20:52
Lewian wrote:
The marvellous 1973 Live album has most of the best stuff. On top of that maybe the Cinema Show, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, Fly on a Windshield.
If your listeners are mainly into later Genesis, they will probably love Carpet Crawlers. |
Actually, they managed to miss most of my favourite songs on that one... not from the performance, as I understand it, but they left those ones out in order to make space for a single LP album instead of a double (which is the way I belive they should have released it, with the complete show).
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 00:20
The Knife (great organ riff influenced heavily by Keith Emerson) Return Of Giant Hogweed ( the piano break is a killer) Watcher Of The Skies (Mellotron!) Firth of Fifth (the piano intro is a 'bugger' though. I saw another Genesis tribute band struggle to get this out because of it) In The Cage ( just for the sunshine in my stomach lyric if nothing else)
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 01:56
The Musical Box The Return of the Giant Hogweed Watcher of the Skies Firth of Fifth1 The Cinema Show / Aisle of Plenty
Encore: In the Cage
1Or Dancing with the Moonlit Knight. I find it hard to choose between these two.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 02:19
Ripples Lamia One for the Vine Seven Stones Get'em Out By Friday
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 03:24
Dellinger wrote:
My list of very favourites from Genesis is mostly from their classic line-up
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YMMV ..... Be careful how you swing that thing around I n the England of my youth the "classic line up" is the one that got most airplay, sold more albums and appealed to far more people, i.e. Rutherford, Banks, Hackett, Collins. Trick and W & W.
Just saying...
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 04:29
My top five essentials:
White Mountain The Knife The Musical Box The Fountain of Salmacis Dancing With The Moonlit Knight
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 05:46
Just to be different:
Stagnation In the Beginning Harold the Barrel Time Table The Grand Parade of Lifeless Packaging [Kevin Gilbert's version of this was fantastic] Riding the Scree
and for kicks: The Battle of Epping Forest
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 05:48
dwill123 wrote:
Just play this album in its entirety. |
Yup, can't go far wrong. You have to do Musical Box!
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 07:06
chopper wrote:
dwill123 wrote:
Just play this album in its entirety. |
Yup, can't go far wrong. You have to do Musical Box! |
So many suggestions for just copying this but I think Watcher of the Skies and Get 'em out by Friday are amongst the dullest Genesis/Gabriel era songs... weak melodies and nagging vocals...
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 07:37
Fountain of Salmacis Musical Box The end part of Suppers Ready---start with quiet part right before "with the gods of ...." Dancing with the Moonlight Night The Lamia
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 07:42
Suppers ready is just starting to get going when it fades out....Go one beyond the ordinary tribute acts...Practice till your all at the level required then extend the fook out of their classics beginning with extending the 9/8 section and adding in five more minutes of that brilliant ending guitar solo....That would REALLY piss the fookers who love anything beyond 1977...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 11:02
M27Barney wrote:
Suppers ready is just starting to get going when it fades out....Go one beyond the ordinary tribute acts...Practice till your all at the level required then extend the fook out of their classics beginning with extending the 9/8 section and adding in five more minutes of that brilliant ending guitar solo....That would REALLY piss the fookers who love anything beyond 1977... |
yeah, you did not pay attention to the initial post SUPPER'S READY IS OUT
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 11:59
Watches of the Skies: fantastic incipit by Tony Banks, but then... too much forced.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 12:13
Cristi wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
Suppers ready is just starting to get going when it fades out....Go one beyond the ordinary tribute acts...Practice till your all at the level required then extend the fook out of their classics beginning with extending the 9/8 section and adding in five more minutes of that brilliant ending guitar solo....That would REALLY piss the fookers who love anything beyond 1977... |
yeah, you did not pay attention to the initial post SUPPER'S READY IS OUT
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I chose to ignore it. Whats the point of wanting to do Genesis classics and ignore the epic? If a tribute bamd think its too long then maybe they should stick to bangi ng out "me and sarah jane"...
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 12:19
last time I saw Hackett's Genesis revisited, Supper's Ready was the low point of the evening. Far from boring but soo f**king long, man.
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 12:42
Saperlipopette! wrote:
So many suggestions for just copying this but I think Watcher of the Skies and Get 'em out by Friday are amongst the dullest Genesis/Gabriel era songs... weak melodies and nagging vocals...
| I totally agree. I can't stand his lyrics and stupid accents on those. Not just on those two though. He did it on loads of other songs as well, on that awful "I Know what I Like," for example, and on "The Battle of Epping Forest"
I think one really strong album could have been made from Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot called The Musical Supper, for example, which is basically my Spotify playlist for those two albums
The Musical Box Return of the Giant Hogweed Seven Stones The Fountain of Salmacis Time Table Horizons Supper's Ready.
My Spotify playlist for an abbreviated SEBTP is: Dancing With the Moonlit Knight X Firth of Fifth More Fool Me X After the Ordeal The Cinema Show Aisle of Plenty
As for Trespass, it's a great pop album, I never skip anything on it. Some of it reminds me nicely of "Am I Very Wrong"
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 14:10
FFS. "MORE FOOL ME"??? It's the one song which has no part of the concept at all. Firth of Fifth could have been extended rather than have collins penchance for totally sh*t love songs sully the finest symph release ever...
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 14:17
I suppose that you probably had to be alive in 1974 (and be english) to appreciate the concept. The lyrical content of epping forest is genius...
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Posted By: Cosmiclawnmower
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 14:38
Whatever PG era stuff you play, someone will grumble and someone will have tears in their eyes.. we're lucky anybody plays any of this stuff live otherwise we'd all be stuck inside watching Shepperton sound stage live 73 and never go out... ever..
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 18:58
The perfect lenght for a prog song, baby?
8:56
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 21:00
LAM-SGC wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
My list of very favourites from Genesis is mostly from their classic line-up
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YMMV ..... Be careful how you swing that thing around I<span style="display: inline !imant; : none; : transparent; color: rgb0, 0, 0; font-family: Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 18.2px; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-trans: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;">n the England of my youth</span> the "classic line up" is the one that got most airplay, sold more albums and appealed to far more people, i.e. Rutherford, Banks, Hackett, Collins. Trick and W & W.
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Well, we are at Prog Archives... I believe the great majority of us will agree on which is the classic line-up... and whomever may not agree will know exactly what is meant
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 21:12
Saperlipopette! wrote:
chopper wrote:
dwill123 wrote:
Just play this album in its entirety. |
Yup, can't go far wrong. You have to do Musical Box! |
So many suggestions for just copying this but I think Watcher of the Skies and Get 'em out by Friday are amongst the dullest Genesis/Gabriel era songs... weak melodies and nagging vocals...
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Yeah, I dislike those ones too... For me, "Get 'em out by Friday", "Harold the Barell", and "Battle of Epping Forest" sort of make a trilogy of Hell from the Classic Genesis. I don't really enjoy "Watcher of the Skies" either... I rather dislike it, but Hackett's live version on Tokyo Tapes somehow really fixed it for me, and I really love that version.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 21:14
Barbu wrote:
last time I saw Hackett's Genesis revisited, Supper's Ready was the low point of the evening. Far from boring but soo f**king long, man. |
I really loved it when I saw Hackett. I just love it on the album, and loved hearing it live, no matter how long it is... that's why I'm a prog fan.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 21:16
M27Barney wrote:
I suppose that you probably had to be alive in 1974 (and be english) to appreciate the concept. The lyrical content of epping forest is genius... |
I don't care about the lyrical and concept genius of a song... if the music is annoying, then it remains annoying and no brilliance in the lyrics will make me enjoy it, whether I understand it or relate to it or not.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 30 2019 at 23:34
LAM-SGC wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
So many suggestions for just copying this but I think Watcher of the Skies and Get 'em out by Friday are amongst the dullest Genesis/Gabriel era songs... weak melodies and nagging vocals...
| I totally agree. I can't stand his lyrics and stupid accents on those. Not just on those two though. He did it on loads of other songs as well, on that awful "I Know what I Like," for example, and on "The Battle of Epping Forest" | Yeah Battle of Epping Forest is the absolute worst. Reminds me of a rock musical where an overstuffed/chatty storyline gets in the way of making a decent tune.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 00:17
The Knife - to wake up and startle the audience with doom prog. Seven Stones - to bath and salvage the audience in calming mellotron cascades. Time Table - lul them in som nice qusi pastoral jazz-folk. Suppers Readdy - to stuff rhem with great stuffing and some more doom prog
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 06:47
I think that Epping Forest is packed with nice melodies and catchy motifs. The brilliance of the lyrics can be appreciated only if you followed the gang land stories in the tabloids of the sixties. Especially the kray twins...
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 07:55
M27Barney wrote:
I think that Epping Forest is packed with nice melodies and catchy motifs. The brilliance of the lyrics can be appreciated only if you followed the gang land stories in the tabloids of the sixties. Especially the kray twins... | I'm not interested enough in lyrics or storytelling to be bothered I guess. Especially as I alreasdy know I don't enjoy its motifs or melodies. To me they feel forced, without a flow and sterile. And as the whole piece resembles a rock musical to me (=only bluesy pub rock is worse) - I got thousands of better options in my collection.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 08:31
Dellinger wrote:
Barbu wrote:
last time I saw Hackett's Genesis revisited, Supper's Ready was the low point of the evening. Far from boring but soo f**king long, man. |
I really loved it when I saw Hackett. I just love it on the album, and loved hearing it live, no matter how long it is... that's why I'm a prog fan. |
There was one guy outside the theatre smoking a cigarette while the Flower Kings were in the middle of their interminable (45m) 'Garden of Dreams' inside: that was me.
Very good overall but the longer, the better? Never bought that.
That's why I'm not a true prog fan.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 11:49
I suppose....
Watcher of the Skies Fountain of Salmacis Suppers Ready Firth of Fifth Dancing With The Moonlit Knight Musical Box
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 12:04
OP may I ask what's your repertoire of the post-Gabriel era? I guess as a band you should also seek some consistency and coherence among all the setlist.
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 13:47
Dellinger wrote:
Yeah, I dislike those ones too... For me, "Get 'em out by Friday", "Harold the Barell", and "Battle of Epping Forest" sort of make a trilogy of Hell from the Classic Genesis. I don't really enjoy "Watcher of the Skies" either... I rather dislike it, but Hackett's live version on Tokyo Tapes somehow really fixed it for me, and I really love that version. |
Same here, I think Watcher of the Skies, Get 'em out by Friday, Harold the Barell, Battle of Epping Forest, and I Know What I Like are all awful. And I know they make many others cringe as well. These type of songs are what put people off prog in the mid-70s.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 15:39
Seven Stones and Time Table are good, stalwart songs to enrapture the audience.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 16:23
Saperlipopette! wrote:
So many suggestions for just copying this but I think Watcher of the Skies and Get 'em out by Friday are amongst the dullest Genesis/Gabriel era songs... weak melodies and nagging vocals...
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Haha, the subjectivity of music... I would probably have nominated these two first for masterful dynamic composition, drive and melodies that manage at the same time to feel natural and organic but also full of surprises. And I am fine with Gabriel's theatralics. The whole album is pure bliss and has none of the downers that Genesis have otherwise placed everywhere (I really hate "I Know What I Like" - at least there probably some common ground.)
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 16:46
LAM-SGC wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Yeah, I dislike those ones too... For me, "Get 'em out by Friday", "Harold the Barell", and "Battle of Epping Forest" sort of make a trilogy of Hell from the Classic Genesis. I don't really enjoy "Watcher of the Skies" either... I rather dislike it, but Hackett's live version on Tokyo Tapes somehow really fixed it for me, and I really love that version. |
Same here, I think Watcher of the Skies, Get 'em out by Friday, Harold the Barell, Battle of Epping Forest, and I Know What I Like are all awful. And I know they make many others cringe as well. These type of songs are what put people off prog in the mid-70s.
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In general, I agree. BUT Harold the Barrell and I know What I like are pop songs. Nice pop songs, in my opinion, specially the second. But nothing more. They are not identified as prog. On the contrary, Watcher... is the typical example of prog pomposity, the one that lovers of classic rock hate, and Get'em... is the typical example of forced song and too long (for those who don't like prog). Epping... is a case in itself because more than highlighting the defects of prog highlights those of Genesis when they become too much theatrical, almost vaudeville, with the aggravating circumstance of having a long duration. My teacher of literature said: only masterpieces have the right to be long. Get'em and Epping are not masterpieces at all and are too long. Watcher has a great instrumental start, but can't match well with the singing.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 21:15
Barbu wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Barbu wrote:
last time I saw Hackett's Genesis revisited, Supper's Ready was the low point of the evening. Far from boring but soo f**king long, man. |
I really loved it when I saw Hackett. I just love it on the album, and loved hearing it live, no matter how long it is... that's why I'm a prog fan. |
There was one guy outside the theatre smoking a cigarette while the Flower Kings were in the middle of their interminable (45m) 'Garden of Dreams' inside: that was me.
Very good overall but the longer, the better? Never bought that.
That's why I'm not a true prog fan. |
I don't know so much from The Flower Kings so I can't say about that song, but when the long epics are good, there's not much that can surpass them in my apreciation of them (and Supper's Ready would be among them)... when they are not good... or are good but don't have what it takes to last that long, they really become rather boring. I believe someone like Neil Morse, and perhaps Roine Stolt himself, have abused of long songs many times and done many that overstay their welcome.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 21:16
LAM-SGC wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Yeah, I dislike those ones too... For me, "Get 'em out by Friday", "Harold the Barell", and "Battle of Epping Forest" sort of make a trilogy of Hell from the Classic Genesis. I don't really enjoy "Watcher of the Skies" either... I rather dislike it, but Hackett's live version on Tokyo Tapes somehow really fixed it for me, and I really love that version. |
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Oh, but I do like "I Know What I Like" for what it is... and for me, it doesn't sound very much like the other songs. Still, I do know that it's one of those songs that many Genesis fand dislike.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 31 2019 at 23:58
Saperlipopette! wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
I think that Epping Forest is packed with nice melodies and catchy motifs. The brilliance of the lyrics can be appreciated only if you followed the gang land stories in the tabloids of the sixties. Especially the kray twins... | I'm not interested enough in lyrics or storytelling to be bothered I guess. Especially as I alreasdy know I don't enjoy its motifs or melodies. To me they feel forced, without a flow and sterile. And as the whole piece resembles a rock musical to me (=only bluesy pub rock is worse) - I got thousands of better options in my collection.
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agreed. The first 2 minutes is okay but then its just an excuse to mess around. ELP got slaughtered for Benny the Bouncer yet the revered Genesis get away with it somehow. The album would be much better without it imo.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 01 2019 at 00:04
LAM-SGC wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Yeah, I dislike those ones too... For me, "Get 'em out by Friday", "Harold the Barell", and "Battle of Epping Forest" sort of make a trilogy of Hell from the Classic Genesis. I don't really enjoy "Watcher of the Skies" either... I rather dislike it, but Hackett's live version on Tokyo Tapes somehow really fixed it for me, and I really love that version. |
Same here, I think Watcher of the Skies, Get 'em out by Friday, Harold the Barell, Battle of Epping Forest, and I Know What I Like are all awful. And I know they make many others cringe as well. These type of songs are what put people off prog in the mid-70s.
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nope it was the general movement toward over technical jazz rock noodling that turned people off.
Of those songs Epping Forest is the one I hate but it's still a popular prog track. Watcher of The Skies is probably the best Mellotron track Genesis did bar maybe Blood On The Rooftops.
I suppose you have to view a lot of these tracks in the context of the live shows which of course were very theatrical and too many were a bit silly even. Gabriel leaving meant that Genesis could become more accessible to the masses. Certainly their albums sold more after he left and that is a fact!
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 01 2019 at 02:57
That as well, but the average man on the street, or kid in the playground, the casual listener, was more put off by stupid theatrical voices, non-sensical lyrics and the music taking second place and simply being a vehicle for the lyrics and theatrics, along with as you say the ever increasing drift away from the recognized shorter pop/rock song format.
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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: February 01 2019 at 04:49
LAM-SGC wrote:
but the average man on the street, or kid in the playground, the casual listener, was more put off | Why would any musician care (unless they're only in it for the money)?
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 01 2019 at 05:23
I think Harold the Barrel needs a sequel. It should have been released as a single back in the day. Every time I hear it, I have to concentrate to keep me from peeing myself.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: February 01 2019 at 06:27
This site is a prog rock site? Am I correct? Because most of the people who dont like Watcher of the skies , should really be on a beyonce site or whatever...
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 01 2019 at 06:41
M27Barney wrote:
This site is a prog rock site? Am I correct? Because most of the people who dont like Watcher of the skies , should really be on a beyonce site or whatever... | Yeah I feel the same way about those who don't like Univers Zero. Why on earth are they here when they can go visit a Beyonce-site?
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 01 2019 at 14:21
M27Barney wrote:
This site is a prog rock site? Am I correct? Because most of the people who dont like Watcher of the skies , should really be on a beyonce site or whatever... |
Wow! You take it all too seriously. We don't all like the same stuff. This would be a really boring forum if everyone agreed with everyone else and if everyone liked the Genesis songs you like! Live and let live dude! And you might live longer! Lots of people don't like the prog I like but I'm not so rude as to tell them to go to a Beyonce site!
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: February 01 2019 at 17:08
I just want to see & hear Side 3 & 4 of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. I'd be so happy to leave a concert venue with the melody of "It" stuck in my brain, enervating the spring in my gait.
And, no, please no "Watcher in the Skies"!
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: February 01 2019 at 17:39
I was going to throw in a lot of commentary, but I'll just go with my list instead:
Stagnation The Knife Return of the Giant Hogweed Twilight Alehouse Can-Utility and the Coastliners After the Ordeal Battle of Epping Forest (because it makes me giddy) Fly on a Windshield/ Anyway The Lamia
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 03:36
LAM-SGC wrote:
That as well, but the average man on the street, or kid in the playground, the casual listener, was more put off by stupid theatrical voices, non-sensical lyrics and the music taking second place and simply being a vehicle for the lyrics and theatrics, along with as you say the ever increasing drift away from the recognized shorter pop/rock song format. | I'm not aware that prog had many 'casual listeners'. The average man on the street is just lead by fashion and wanting to be 'cool' in truth.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 03:51
M27Barney wrote:
This site is a prog rock site? Am I correct? Because most of the people who dont like Watcher of the skies , should really be on a beyonce site or whatever... |
I can understand why this might not be everyone's cup of tea . I sometimes prefer the shorter edited version just to cut out that very long intro. However once it gets going its great , especially Collins who is in top form.
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 04:32
richardh wrote:
I'm not aware that prog had many 'casual listeners'. |
Of course it has, it is only big fans of "prog" that call it "prog" Most people call it what it actually is, pop or rock.
And most music listeners are the oppositie of what you suggest, they just like the music they don't care about the fashons or what is trendy or about being cool. It is really only those within sub-cultures and certain lifestyles that do that.
Something that made me laugh the other day, not sure if it was on this forum or another one, but someone started a thread about "prog T-shirts" Really?
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 05:00
LAM-SGC wrote:
richardh wrote:
I'm not aware that prog had many 'casual listeners'. |
Of course it has, it is only big fans of "prog" that call it "prog" Most people call it what it actually is, pop or rock.
And most music listeners are the oppositie of what you suggest, they just like the music they don't care about the fashons or what is trendy or about being cool. It is really only those within sub-cultures and certain lifestyles that do that.
Something that made me laugh the other day, not sure if it was on this forum or another one, but someone started a thread about "prog T-shirts" Really?
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Most prog is not pop. Casual listeners do not enjoy long(er) songs, they do not know artists beyond their hits (which sometimes annoys me, I'll admit that), they only listen to what it's spoon-fed to them in the mainstream. Someone was asking on facebook a while ago - "what app is good these days to listen to music?" and I saw red, which rarely happens to me.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 05:58
^ Nail on head. Of course its all about subjective opinion, but anybody who sits outside a FK concert while they are performing GOD, which I think is a bit too short for my liking, aint having an opinion which I link with a symphonic prog fan..
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 07:34
If you don't like long songs, dont go to a FK concert. My youngest son tends to like some really strange stuff. So perhaps its a generational thing. Symphonic prog for the fifties++...You get that demographic in the audiences definately...
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 07:37
And yes I'm not a universe zero fan...but this is a Genesis thread!! Comprende?
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 07:37
M27Barney wrote:
If you don't like long songs, dont go to a FK concert. My youngest son tends to like some really strange stuff. So perhaps its a generational thing. Symphonic prog for the fifties++...You get that demographic in the audiences definately... |
I was trying to figure out what is FK (if anything, to me it means Freak Kitchen), but I think you mean The Flower Kings, that's TFK for me.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 07:39
Yes. The FKs...I refer to as the Flokis...or FK. Perhaps long hand is better for comprehension...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 07:46
^ ok, enough off-topic-ness. back to Genesis
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 07:52
I have seen about four or five different Genesis tribute acts...None of them has considered extending the best bits, go one beyond your show so to speak...
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 07:52
M27Barney wrote:
And yes I'm not a universe zero fan...but this is a Genesis thread!! Comprende? | Yes I understand enough to know that your argument is irrelevant because you argumented with "prog rock site" and not "Genesis-thread". And I don't know... grow a sense of humor maybe?
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 08:34
Spell humour right sonny...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 08:37
M27Barney wrote:
Spell humour right sonny... |
both are correct
can we get back on topic?
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Posted By: JediJoker7169
Date Posted: February 02 2019 at 17:31
If your audience is accustomed to Collins-era covers, I think these would be the easiest for them to digest:
- Back In N.Y.C.
- Counting Out Time
- Carpet Crawlers
- I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
- The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: February 03 2019 at 11:05
Like I said. Go one beyond the genesis show and extend the hell out of Watcher. I once was drinking pre-gig in Manchester with Pallas..Crowd of about six...asking them to extend the tracks and give us pomposity and mellotron to die for...Thus .March on atlantis..extended out to 40 mins at least...best gig I ever saw...
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Posted By: jamesbaldwin
Date Posted: February 03 2019 at 11:39
M27Barney wrote:
Like I said. Go one beyond the genesis show and extend the hell out of Watcher. I once was drinking pre-gig in Manchester with Pallas..Crowd of about six...asking them to extend the tracks and give us pomposity and mellotron to die for...Thus .March on atlantis..extended out to 40 mins at least...best gig I ever saw... |
There is inspired pomposity and forced pomposity.
In my opinion, the instrumental beginning of Watching is beautiful but the following does not maintain expectations. Sometimes it happens that you find an excellent instrumental passage, but then this makes, with its repetition, the song too ... caged. Another excellent example of pomposity is the solo to the organ (I guess) by Wakeman in the middle of Close to the Edge. There the effect is very pompous, it seems the sound of an organ concert in a cathedral but in my opinion it is well suited to the piece, it reaches a great pathos.
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Posted By: LAM-SGC
Date Posted: February 03 2019 at 12:02
I saw a Pink Floyd tribute band do the extended songs bullsh*t once in Sweden, the whole first half of the set was songs from The Wall and TFC, and they extended almost every song sometimes by up to about 5 minutes, turning it into a kind of jazz free for all, with several instruments taking solos....it was extremely f***ing boring. People don't go to see (as in this case a sit-down concert in a theatre) a tribute band to hear extended solos, and posturing, they want to hear the songs faithfully reproduced. A cover band can do whatever they want but not a tribute band.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: February 03 2019 at 13:27
There is always some fooker who punctures the dream....
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: February 03 2019 at 16:08
LAM-SGC wrote:
I saw a Pink Floyd tribute band do the extended songs bullsh*t once in Sweden, the whole first half of the set was songs from The Wall and TFC, and they extended almost every song sometimes by up to about 5 minutes, turning it into a kind of jazz free for all, with several instruments taking solos....it was extremely f***ing boring. People don't go to see (as in this case a sit-down concert in a theatre) a tribute band to hear extended solos, and posturing, they want to hear the songs faithfully reproduced. A cover band can do whatever they want but not a tribute band. |
I'd agree that there's a difference between a cover band and a tribute band, in regards to expectations.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 03 2019 at 19:08
jamesbaldwin wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
Like I said. Go one beyond the genesis show and extend the hell out of Watcher. I once was drinking pre-gig in Manchester with Pallas..Crowd of about six...asking them to extend the tracks and give us pomposity and mellotron to die for...Thus .March on atlantis..extended out to 40 mins at least...best gig I ever saw... |
There is inspired pomposity and forced pomposity.
In my opinion, the instrumental beginning of Watching is beautiful but the following does not maintain expectations. Sometimes it happens that you find an excellent instrumental passage, but then this makes, with its repetition, the song too ... caged. Another excellent example of pomposity is the solo to the organ (I guess) by Wakeman in the middle of Close to the Edge. There the effect is very pompous, it seems the sound of an organ concert in a cathedral but in my opinion it is well suited to the piece, it reaches a great pathos. |
It's just about what happens with Watcher of the Skies for me too. Just give Hackett's version on Tokyo Tapes a try... somehow I do find that one so much better... warmer, and Wetton's performance much less annoying... I do love that version... I don't really understand how I can rather dislike an original and love so much a later version, specially since it's rather faithful to the original anyway. About that section on CttE, it's indeed a church organ, and when I was getting into Yes (and prog), it was one of my first albums, and that section was one of the hooks that kept me coming back to the song, until I got it and loved it all.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 03 2019 at 19:13
LAM-SGC wrote:
I saw a Pink Floyd tribute band do the extended songs bullsh*t once in Sweden, the whole first half of the set was songs from The Wall and TFC, and they extended almost every song sometimes by up to about 5 minutes, turning it into a kind of jazz free for all, with several instruments taking solos....it was extremely f***ing boring. People don't go to see (as in this case a sit-down concert in a theatre) a tribute band to hear extended solos, and posturing, they want to hear the songs faithfully reproduced. A cover band can do whatever they want but not a tribute band. |
That's strange... perhaps in theory it should have worked, since Pink Floyd was very much into that (jamming and extending their songs, specially before Dark Side). But then, I guess that's what made Pink Floyd so special, being able to pull those things out.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 04 2019 at 06:07
What would probably make Watcher of the Skies better is if they inserted some part of Sussudio into the middle of it. That way you can sit there staring at a wall holding your bucket of drool and then all of sudden go into a dancing frenzy. All of this while trying to hold in a fart that you really think might be some squirts.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 04 2019 at 06:11
progaardvark wrote:
What would probably make Watcher of the Skies better is if they inserted some part of Sussudio into the middle of it. That way you can sit there staring at a wall holding your bucket of drool and then all of sudden go into a dancing frenzy. All of this while trying to hold in a fart that you really think might be some squirts. |
not Sussudio, Whodunnit
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 04 2019 at 07:33
^^
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Posted By: Lamneth
Date Posted: February 04 2019 at 12:58
Thanks for the replies, so far. I think the tentative plan is to do the In the Cage medley like they did it on the Mama tour... (In the Cage/Cinema Show/In That Quiet Earth/The Colony of Slippermen/Afterglow).
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 04 2019 at 15:43
M27Barney wrote:
^ Nail on head. Of course its all about subjective opinion, but anybody who sits outside a FK concert while they are performing GOD, which I think is a bit too short for my liking, aint having an opinion which I link with a symphonic prog fan.. | Well said, snobby.
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Posted By: grantman
Date Posted: February 04 2019 at 16:39
1 looking for someone 2 for absent friends 3 seven stones 4 timetable 5 get em out by friday 6 i know what i like (in your wardrobe ) 7 the cinema show
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 12:09
I think that an extended version of Seven Stones would have been better on Selling England than the awful Collins dirge. Mind you if a tribute band played only eighties Genesis in my back garden...I would close the curtains...
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 13:03
Lamneth wrote:
Thanks for the replies, so far. I think the tentative plan is to do the In the Cage medley like they did it on the Mama tour... (In the Cage/Cinema Show/In That Quiet Earth/The Colony of Slippermen/Afterglow).
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If you manage to master that, kudos to you, the audience will enjoy it a lot!!
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 14:23
Lamneth wrote:
Thanks for the replies, so far. I think the tentative plan is to do the In the Cage medley like they did it on the Mama tour... (In the Cage/Cinema Show/In That Quiet Earth/The Colony of Slippermen/Afterglow).
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well its your band + you live on another continent so why should I care.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 05 2019 at 21:01
Lamneth wrote:
Thanks for the replies, so far. I think the tentative plan is to do the In the Cage medley like they did it on the Mama tour... (In the Cage/Cinema Show/In That Quiet Earth/The Colony of Slippermen/Afterglow).
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Oh, I usually hate medleys... they just leave me wanting to hear all the songs in their complete form and end up enjoying none of the pieces of songs represented, for I get frustrated when I'm enjoying the music and it just changes to something different. That is, assuming I like all the songs represented.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: February 06 2019 at 06:02
Lamneth wrote:
Thanks for the replies, so far. I think the tentative plan is to do the In the Cage medley like they did it on the Mama tour... (In the Cage/Cinema Show/In That Quiet Earth/The Colony of Slippermen/Afterglow).
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That's always been the highlight of the post-70s Genesis concert. I'm sure it will be a highlight in yours too. Best of luck!
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 16 2019 at 06:39
Hi,
Nahhhhh ... I'm just going to put on some Anthony Phillips ... forget Genesis!
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Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: February 16 2019 at 06:41
Barbu wrote:
When I'm going to a Genesis tribute show, I wan't to hear The Knife. |
I'd vote for The Knife as well. It's just prog enough and just catchy enough that everyone will love it. Plus Trespass is one of my favorite albums by Genesis so it's good to keep the pre-Collins / Hackett lineup alive :)
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