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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13232 |
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First, as an American I do take it personally, and the time for cordiality is far over. Why? Your blithering buffoon Trump, the narcissistic windbag currently taking up space in the White House, refuses to admit that the Russians did, in fact, work to get him elected. There is no argument or need for diversion in this case. Every intelligence agency in the U.S. concurs. Foreign governments in alliance with the U.S. agree with the assessment. There are no "misconceptions" as you blithely typed. The only question remaining is how much did Trump and his aides welcome and encourage Russian interference, and the question is being answered in the Mueller investigation, currently under attack by Republicans more intent on remaining in power and with Donald Trump himself. Not only did Trump welcome Russian interference during the election, he still ignores that Russian bots continue to spam social media with pro-Trump rhetoric -- much like you do, comrade. But in the shallow recesses of his empty soul Trump can't bring himself to admit he is a pawn of Putin. Trump referred to Putin as a "great leader", and said "Every time he [Putin] sees me he says 'I didn't do it'. And I believe, I really believe, that when he tells me that, he really means it." His words. Sad. Bigly. You only have one of two choices here: either Trump is a complete and utter imbecile, or his ego is so fragile and his mind is so weak that he can't fathom that his election is a sham. In any case, he has not done anything against the Russians, not raised an alarm, not mentioned Russian attacks at all --- except, of course, to have his lackey Michael Flynn tell the Russians that they would lift the sanctions the Obama administration put on Putin for his KGB attacks before Trump was inaugurated. This also unequivocally happened. This was not a crackpot conspiracy hatched by Faux News. Flynn was caught RED-handed. Trump admitted to firing Comey because of the Russia investigation. Trump said so. That's obstruction of justice. Throw in trying to fire Mueller, and only being stopped because the White House Counsel had the common sense to basically inform Trump that was idiotic and that he would resign rather than fire him. Add in the indictments, the guilty pleas, Jeff Sessions faulty Moscow memories, Tiny Trump Jr. and Little Boy Blue Kushner playing at being grown-ups with Russian spies in Trump Tower, and the insane amount of interaction between Trump cronies and the Russian government, Russian oligarchs and the Russian mafia. Here's a list. I am sure there are more: Michael Flynn Alex Schnaider Rex Tillerson Tevfik Arif Carter Page Felix Sater Paul Manafort Richard Gates Wilbur Ross Erik Prince JD Gordon Jeff Sessions Jared Kushner Donald Trump Jr Roger Stone George Papadopolous Michael Cohen Where is your Republican congressmen friends sense of patriotism? No, not the jingoistic, nationalistic and racist facade of patriotism they trot out when people of color wish to immigrate here or when poor black kids need health insurance, but the sense of duty to protect America from a foreign attack that is still happening? Your buddies would rather attack the FBI and the DOJ than protect America from continued Russian interference. Even now, Russian-linked Twitter trolls are trying to muster support for the fraudulent Nunes memo. Why do you think that is? And why do you blankly nod your head and agree with them? Should any American feel pride in knowing they are aiding the Russian's attempt at dividing the country and confusing the already addled and pathetic supporters of Trump? The time for Republican diversion, obfuscation and outright lying is over. Make no mistake, if I appear hostile, it is because I am. Polite discourse with an enemy of this country is a futile and ultimately self-defeating gesture. Our democracy is in danger, not from some crackpot FBI or DOJ conspiracy, but from Donald Trump and his weak-willed, brown-nosing allies in congress. They all need to be removed. As I stated previously, November can not come too quickly. |
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Peter ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
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Hey, bickering, hopelessly-divided-along-partisan-lines Americans (dominating my non-Americans' thread)!
THIS ought to unite you--in laughter at least--for twenty seconds or so: two-party system futility ^ Tap THAT. ^ ![]() Edited by Peter - January 26 2018 at 16:59 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52782 |
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That's mostly because the Republicans have sabotaged Obamacare since Trump came into office. They still haven't replaced it with anything and what they have come up with puts millions off of health care. The ACA would have been a much better law if it had had the public option that was originally supposed to be in the law (i.e., the larger your pool, the better rates you'll get). I guess with the way things are now, the country will have to go through much pain before people open their eyes to the fact that there are other countries with better systems that we can at least model on (single-payer universal, the so-called "Medicare for all" that Sanders is proposing, etc.). I still don't know what the Republicans problem with the ACA was. It was modeled after a similar system that Mitt Romney implemented in Massachusetts, so it was originally a Republican idea. In a way, they either must have thought that Romney was a communist (which echoes Republicans responses to Social Security in the 1930s) or they didn't like the idea of a black man running with a Republican idea. In either case, we aren't making any progress in this area. I'm glad you're getting a better deal, but I'd like to correct part of your statement. There is no such thing as "Obamacare insurance." Health insurance provided on the ACA marketplace is offered by private insurance companies. The mandate NEVER required you to get insurance on the ACA marketplace. You could have shopped around outside if it, which you have just recently done. When the ACA marketplaces began, the rates were better than what was offered outside of it (though you had to be careful about deductibles; the cheaper ones had high deductibles).
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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Oh boy...I can hear David sharpening his axes and swords in the far distance.
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AZF ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 17 2012 Location: Wirral Status: Offline Points: 1079 |
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I don't think of him if that helps? He's not my President and I've no interest in going down to London (and getting my phone and wallet nicked!) to protest a, if I may say, a very transient here today gone tomorrow President.
I lost hope on anything interesting happening when Bernie got bought out! But as for him, he sounds really creepy when he talks softly. But he's your problem. You're on your own! |
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omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6811 |
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You're right progaardvark!
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52782 |
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"So be it?" That says volumes about what is WRONG with this country.
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52782 |
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Sorry, this doesn't make any sense. The Obamacare mandate penalty is a fee you pay when you opt to NOT have health insurance. So you didn't have health insurance (which means you paid nothing for it) and now you do and somehow you saved $5200 when the maximum mandate penalty was $2058???
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twseel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 15 2012 Location: abroad Status: Offline Points: 22767 |
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Oh my, Omphalo going full Ivan Melgar here, reliving the old days!
Though Voopy correctly points out that Trump hasn't actually successfully done that much my opinion of him stands; he's a semi-sociopath guided by greed throughout his entire life, dragged into the money-making business buy his dad, since then stumbling through debts while making risky bets on big stock, barely making any real friends, getting a few trophy wives and then the American audiences were ready to give the goofy guy a reality show where he could theatrically be bossy and throw around one-liners. And once in office his completely impractical ideas (you know the ones) get conveniently obstructed and then he gets the mind-blowing, just mind-blowingly genius plan to, 'hey remember when I had to pay less taxes? I had more money then, let's do that now' and stunning everyone with the never seen genius of this plan, scrapping like 25% of taxes of by far the world's biggest economy actually got investers pumping in some new money and companies saving some money, whodefukkathunk?? Just give the man a Nobel prize already.
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20033 |
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I saw a brief clip of Piers Morgan's interview with Trump this morning, two things struck me -
1) he kind of apologised for the Britain First retweets, but he still doesn't know who they are. 2) he referred to becoming President as "when this happened" as though it was some kind of accident that he didn't really want/expect to happen.
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omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6811 |
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I will address one of Dark Elf's concerns. Why only one? 1.,....I don't have time or desire to disprove every misconception. 2....... I don't wish make a discussion personal. I like cordial discussions. 3..... Once the 4 page memo is released, it will explain itself without my help. In other words time will tell. We shall see. The FBI- I'm not claiming that high ranking members of the FBI are guilty. However, I believe its important to investigate FBI bias. Its a sad day for America if the FBI is allowed to choose the President and influence an election. America has a right to know. Just as America has a right to know if Trump colluded with Russia. That being said, the most recent development (missing texts found) and provide a bit of background- (Deputy Assistant Director of FBI, 2nd in charge on Counterintelligence) -Peter Strzok and his mistress- FBI agent Lisa Page and the story of the missing text messages. 1. Strzok and Lisa Pages text messages are strewn with pro Hillary and anti Trump references. In 2016, Peter Strzok interviewed Hillary for E-Mail probe and General Flynn Jan, 2017. Because of Strzok's extreme Pro Hillary bias, he should have recused himself from both investigations. He did not. Back in 2016, The Department of Justice and Director James Comey eventually ruled that Clinton was “extremely careless” in handling her email communications, but recommended that no charges be filed. CNN reported that it was Strzok who edited the description of Clinton’s actions in Comey’s official statement. An unnamed source told the news outlet that Strzok changed the phrase “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless” in the statement. Someone who mishandles classified information can be prosecuted under federal law if they were “grossly negligent” in doing so. Comey drafted an a letter exonerating Hillary from email probe two months before she was even interviewed. Perhaps this is the reason why the DOJ recently reopened the Hillary E-mail probe. 2. The FBI didn't turn over the missing texts. The missing texts messages were recovered by the Justice Department. In a letter sent to congressional committees, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz said his office “succeeded in using forensic tools to recover text messages from FBI devices, including text messages between Mr. Strzok and Ms. Page that were sent or received between December 14, 2016 and May 17, 2017.” “Our effort to recover any additional text messages is ongoing,” Horowitz said. “We will provide copies of the text messages that we recover from these devices to the Department so that the Department’s leadership can take any management action it deems appropriate.” The letter is below. As you can see I didn't figure out how to post it without it looking awkward.... Edited by omphaloskepsis - January 26 2018 at 04:44 |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20436 |
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Well Bojo and Donald Duck certainly share the same hairdresser
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rogerthat ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
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I think you will find that, as with Dubya, the most favourable 'outsider' assessment of Trump will come from India. Strange that it takes dumb Republican Presidents to not favour the much less democratic Pakistan over India but it is what it is. Clinton was very hard on us, Obama was a bit better but also slowed down the momentum that had built up during the Bush years. There is concern over whether Trump will dial down outsourcing but with a rampaging China in the neighbourhood, geopolitics clearly takes precedence. As for whether he's a joke or a bigot or both, etc, you see, since those descriptions could equally be applied to our Prime Minister and to many of our politicians, I would rather not, as much as I dislike Trump. If we cannot vote a better leader ourselves to lead our nation, we have no business ridiculing America.
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The Dark Elf ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13232 |
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Methinks heavy is the tinfoil hat that sits upon thy misshapen head. Assistant Attorney General Stephen Boyd, a Donald Trump appointee (let me repeat, a Donald Trump appointee) stated flatly the Department of Justice (run by Trump appointee Jeff Sessions and his Republican assistant Rod Rothstein) are "unaware of any wrongdoing related to the FISA process." As far as Fusion GPS, you are aware the Republicans first funded the dossier work, aren't you? And after many hours of grilling in the House and Senate, the fundamental facts of the dossier seem to have been proven true, and though Republicans tried to hide the interviews with the heads of Fusion (because Republicans prefer to limit truthful information, much like they try to limit voting rights), the testimony was released by Democrats. Based on Steele's information about Russian interference and a second line of the same information from the Australian government, the FBI considered it credible. That's the funny thing about credible information, it can be sourced from more than one point. It can be verified. It doesn't have to be made up and hidden. Oh, and speaking of made up, hidden crap:
Ah yes, the 4 page memo, the mystical, magical memo of right-wing conspiracists wet dreams. Unfortunately, the equation that bests describes this piece of political poo goes as follows: "Nunes is obstructing Nunes from releasing Nunes' memo written by Nunes." Interesting that Nunes refused to release the mystical, magical memo to the Department of Justice (per Trump appointee Stephen Boyd), nor would they release it to FBI Director Christopher Wray, another Trump appointee. In fact, Trump appointee Boyd referred to Nunes refusing to release his mystical, magical memo to the DoJ as "extraordinarily reckless." But then both Boyd and Wray are operating under the Constitution, and not as an obstructing gopher like Trump toady Nunes. You remember Nunes, yes? The guy who made the midnight run to the White House and embarrassingly got caught hiding in the bushes while trying to pass bogus intel fabricated by the White House. The guy who recused himself from the Russia investigation for unethical behavior, who then magically unrecused himself because he is...well, unethical. Humorously, Nunes, the House Trumpette, will not even release the memo to the Republican-run Senate Intelligence Committee. Why is that, do you think? Well, there is a reason the memo has not been released. Because it will be revealed to be as fraudulent as Nunes himself. One congressman who reviewed it stated it was written by a person who was "two whiskeys into the bag". On Fox News, Shepard Smith referred to the memo as a "Weapon of Mass Distraction". "Many who have seen the memo say it's misleading, distracting and lacking context," Smith continued.
Oh, would you look at that! No cover-up -- another conspiracy debunked. The texts have been recovered and are available. The personal texts basically show that the two FBI agents think Trump is a complete a****le, an opinion shared by the majority of Americans. At least they didn't put their negative opinions and insults on Twitter like Trump, who has attacked, demeaned and insulted a wide array of people very publicly during his tweeting twaddle. if it's okay for Trump, it's okay for the rest of us, don't you think? In the meantime, while you and your self-serving Republican friends in congress and the White House are obfuscating, hiding, obscuring, leaking, lying, muddying and diverting, there is clear evidence that Russia attacked the U.S. and are continuing to attack America with their bots (I am sure your Facebook page is littered with Russian misinformation, right next to your cute cat videos), and the lack of action against the Russians is telling: Trump fired Comey because of "That Russian thing" (his words, on TV, before a national audience); Trump tried to fire Mueller back in June, but the White House counsel threatened to quit, and Trump backed down; on Air Force One, Trump made up an implausible story about his inbred son's meeting with Russians at Trump Tower (which even Steve Bannon called "treasonous"); Michael Flynn has pleaded guilty and is cooperating, Papadopolous has pleaded guilty and is cooperating, Manafort has been indicted, and so has Gates (who, it is reported, is now negotiating with Mueller and may well be cooperating). Never in my life have I seen politicians cooperating with Russians and ignoring an attack on America by Russians. In Eisenhower's time, these stooges would have gotten the electric chair. I can't imagine Nixon or Reagan ever contemplating such treason. November can't come to soon. They all need to be voted out.
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No, he's an immensely egotistical, completely unprincipled cynic involved in a relentless campaign to accumulate personal power who just masquerades as a clown. Edited by Mascodagama - January 25 2018 at 16:00 |
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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Cé donc ben plate icitte.
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That goes both ways. http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/11/news/companies/trump-carrier-plant-layoffs/index.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/24/business/toys-r-us-to-close-stores.html Edited by rushfan4 - January 25 2018 at 11:10 |
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omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6811 |
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Another tax reform consequence is Large corporations repatriating tax dollars back to the Untied States and new American jobs. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/01/17/apple-pays-38-billion-trump-tax-bill-open-second-hq/1041261001/ Home Depot and Starbucks are two of 250 companies offering bonuses as a result of Trump's tax plan. That's a jump of 525% in two weeks. Wage hikes, increases in retirement plans and even adoption benefits.... http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/250-companies-offering-trump-bonuses-up-525/article/2647042 https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/25/home-depot-to-award-hourly-employees-1000-bonus-due-to-tax-reform.html Edited by omphaloskepsis - January 25 2018 at 12:48 |
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progaardvark ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 52782 |
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AT&T is full of bullsh*t.
They could have been creating jobs all along without the tax break.
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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*yawn*
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