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Posted: May 26 2019 at 16:48
I'm quite surprised these guys aren't on the website yet, I mean at least 3 of their albums are certainly progressive rock. They're certainly more progressive than many artists already on the site. Come on now.
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Posted: May 19 2019 at 06:39
Saperlipopette! wrote:
FFF
is certainly not prog but I think that's beside the point. Its just
another album from a band who couldn't give a rat's ass about genres or
labels -
but who are progressive in spirit. Imo they've proven long ago both
musically and in attitude that they belong here - more than most
relatively successful contemporary bands related to rock. Personally FFF is
my least favorite release of theirs post-Paper Mache Dream Ballon (which the cute title track and first heard "teaser" initially reminded me of) but still a fun album. The Cruel Millenial is kind of awful and I'm sort of hoping its ironic but the rest is enjoyable.
I think the album gets proggier as it progresses. I very much enjoy the last three tracks, the second last track ("Acarine") being my favourite from the album. However, overall I prefer their previous album "Gumboot Soup" to this one.
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Posted: May 04 2019 at 02:32
I prophesy disaster wrote:
A week ago, King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard released their latest album, Fishing For Fishies :Do
you think this album increases or decreases their prog credentials?
After listening to the album a few times, it seems to me that a few
tracks decrease their prog credentials and a few tracks increase their
prog credentials, but overall I am undecided (though leaning towards a
decrease). The music on the album does seem to be a natural progression
from their previous album, Gumboot Soup, although without the microtonal sounds.
FFF
is certainly not prog but I think that's beside the point. Its just
another album from a band who couldn't give a rat's ass about genres or
labels -
but who are progressive in spirit. Imo they've proven long ago both
musically and in attitude that they belong here - more than most
relatively successful contemporary bands related to rock. Personally FFF is
my least favorite release of theirs post-Paper Mache Dream Ballon (which the cute title track and first heard "teaser" initially reminded me of) but still a fun album. The Cruel Millenial is kind of awful and I'm sort of hoping its ironic but the rest is enjoyable.
+ I got their next album sometime later this year to look forward to. Hoping for more enviromental thrash metal:
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Posted: May 03 2019 at 13:24
A week ago, King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard released their latest album, Fishing For Fishies :
Do you think this album increases or decreases their prog credentials? After listening to the album a few times, it seems to me that a few tracks decrease their prog credentials and a few tracks increase their prog credentials, but overall I am undecided (though leaning towards a decrease). The music on the album does seem to be a natural progression from their previous album, Gumboot Soup, although without the microtonal sounds.
No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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Posted: June 14 2018 at 12:16
I feel like the question isn't really whether or not they belong on this site, but where they fit. But everything you guys are saying about the timeline makes sense. I definitely hope they continue on their trajectory towards prog greatness and put out more albums like Polygondwanaland!
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Posted: June 10 2018 at 01:13
My guess is that the Psych team looked at the time frame of their output, and saw that for their first several years, their albums were primarily psychedelic rock rather than progressive. Despite having released 6 (in my opinion) prog albums by now, it's only been two years. My guess is the same as Smurph's above: if they continue their musical trajectory into the world of prog, they will eventually land themselves on the site.
I will note again, though, that I fully agree with some of the previous points; I think King Gizzard is one of the greatest contemporary prog bands.
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Dropped by PA to hear some clips of more recent King Gizzard albums to prepare for their upcoming gig in Austin, but......no KGWL? File 'em under proto, space, Kraut, Canterbury, psych, eletic, fusion.....whatever, just find a place for 'em.
I'd file them along with the Grateful Dead under "Missed Opportunity" as in those who come to PA to discover new music will miss out on some absolutely groovy progressive rock.
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Posted: May 21 2018 at 06:04
So one of the worlds leading progbands right now fails to get recognised as progressive rock at progarchives. Absurd. And really? - more soul, surf and garage than psychedelic, space rock, progressive rock, jazz-rock...?
Genre tags for Polygondwanaland at RYM:
Psychedelic Rock, Progressive Rock, Space Rock, Krautrock, Acid Rock
Descriptors:
uncommon time signatures, psychedelic, male vocals, progressive, mysterious, repetitive, epic, atmospheric, hypnotic, space, futuristic, existential, surreal, science fiction, concept album, complex
If one looks at their five/six latest albums I guess eclectic is probably what they are.
These are the tags the band have under their bandcamp profile, also under Polygondwanaland: alternative garage soul surf Melbourne
I think they're bang on....and that is coming from Denmark's biggest fan Btw Gumboot Soup has really started to speak to me after the weather has changed for the warmer. Then again it was recorded during Aussie summer, so I guess it isn't that strange to have it complement summertime here in Scandinavia.
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Posted: May 19 2018 at 16:17
Haha, I suppose it can seem a bit pretentious. The reality is that no single person or group of people can absolutely and objectively define whether or not a band is prog or not. There will never be an official consensus on every single band that has ever been prog and every one that is not. ProgArchives looks to serve as a collection of as many prog artists and albums as possible; effectively, to serve as a database for the prog listener. However, they have to have some sort of system in place for the addition of new bands. If anyone were able to add an artist as they wish, it would render the site kind of pointless; past suggestions include Tame Impala, ...And You Will Know Us by the Trail of the Dead, XTC, The Damned, Chiodos, Thirty Seconds to Mars, Soundgarden, Green Day, hell, even Spinal Tap. Whether all, some, one, or none of these bands are prog is not my point (although I'd be happy to share my opinion if you wish); I'm just saying that without the current system, everybody and his/her/their cousin would be adding their favourite band as prog.
Personally, I totally agree with you. I think that, especially from Nonagon Infinity onward, King Gizzard is a full-on prog band, and one of the greatest of the modern era. However, I'm not on the PSIKE team, and at the end of the day, they chose not to add it. Maybe they thought it was too close to the edge of being prog or not that it would open the door for bands that are definitely not prog to be added to the website. Maybe they just didn't hear it, or maybe they skipped over Polygondwanaland. At the end of the day, you're right; who gives a f***. ProgArchives does its job as a progressive music database extremely well, but no database is 100% comprehensive; it's not the end-all, be-all authority that it is often thought of as (though probably the closest we have to one), and if we want to continue thinking of King Gizzard as a prog band (which I intend to do), then we are at the complete liberty to do so.
Anyways, that was a bit of a wordy, half-pointless rant, but I just thought I'd share my thoughts on it.
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Posted: May 12 2018 at 07:29
This entire thread is hilarious to me. Is there a secret council that meets in a smoke filled room to define prog? If so, that is the most prog thing ever.
I present one more case for King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard - the best band on planet Earth today, by the way - The Gizzverse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEIEmRyLPzY
Basically, around the time of the release of Nonagon Infinity two years ago, fans began realizing several Easter eggs in the bands songs, musical and thematic callbacks, as well as similar imagery on the band's record covers and videos. Fans speculated that this was by design, an attempt to create a unified narrative throughout the band's releases. When asked about this, frontman Stu Mackenzie confirmed its existence. From that point, the band has gone full bore in its attempt to tie together characters and story-lines throughout its subsequent releases.
Whether accidental or not, King Gizzard is now knee deep in its own conceptual continuity. I would consider this a hallmark of prog. (And ultimately, who gives a f*** anyway).
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Posted: April 26 2018 at 06:14
How bizarre. It would be good to have an explanation. Listening to KGLW only yesterday and hearing a range of influences, predominantly Gong in this particular sitting. They are without doubt more akin to Progressive Rock than many already in the database including a significant amount of Prog' Related and Jazz/Fusion etc. I am confident that there are many people eagerly waiting for Collaborators to review their back catalogue and having such a resource on ProgArchives will allow people to explore their work. I am not a huge fan of KGLW but I am huge fan of ProgArchives and question what is behind the decision for total rejection.
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