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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 03:48
Quote I'd like just to inform the readers of this thread that i ignore what  Dean is posting here since long time ago, actually since he started to insult me at this forums, for example here. I'm just avoid to chat with such characters.
 
p.s. Dean knows it very well, but I'm always being quoted by him, because he wants to use my non-answer and silence that he tries to create an illusion that his tragicomic "arguments" (adressed to me) are compelling; he adressed so many post to me (although he knows that will be no reply from my side) at so many threads just in favor that you think that I'm flattered by his posts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 03:41
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

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If I go to Paris I want to see Paris, not Mogadishu.

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Racist bullsh*t. As a "commie" boy from Yugoslavia, I went in Paris as a tourist to see Beaubourg, Pont Alexandre III, Rue de Seine, this and that, not to count those colored street walkers.
You had me agreeing with you up until that last (equally racist) presumption that all Somalians in Paris are prostitutes. Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 03:35
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

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If I go to Paris I want to see Paris, not Mogadishu.

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Racist bullsh*t. As a "commie" boy from Yugoslavia, I went in Paris as a tourist to see Beaubourg, Pont Alexandre III, Rue de Seine, this and that, not to count those colored street walkers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 03:00
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

I think the word you are looking for is........ arachibutyrophobia


Isn't that a Marillion album?

No, not really LOL (I might know since I once wrote a song about it). But it may have been the trigger that pushed Jimmy Carter into politics Wink.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 02:31
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

]A country, whatever it is economically and millitary strong, made of the immigrants with the growing xenophobia by the old immigrants who are against the new immigrants, aside of Native Americans who are supporters of the new ones (and aside of the other kinds of fears), with very powerful the right-wingers who encouraged all that xenophobia, that country have a serious problem. And as that country is big and politically and economicaly deeply involved everywhere on the planet, then the whole world have a problem.

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Here in Perú we are not xenophobic, but things have reached a limit, since Humala (COMMUNIST) was elected, he opened the door to Cuban medical doctors who are taking all the best paid jobs in the government with a salary between US$ 5,000.00 and US$ 10,000.00 a month, while peruvian doctors had to make a strike because they are paid less than US$ 300.00 a month in public hospitals.

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I presume that the private hospitals in your country employed the Cuban doctors and give them that money because the managements / owners of the private hospitals probably just thought that the doctors from Cuba are far better than Peruvian doctors due to the fact that Cuba through decades was investing a lot in medical care in general, and Cuba really builded that as a brand, and consenquently, Cuban doctors have a bigger salaries in Peruvian private hospiotals than Peruvian doctors who are working in state-owned hospitals; but that's one of those beautiful things of Capitalismo, isn't? It's hardly to believe that the salaries could be so different for Cubans and Peruvian doctors if they are both are working for the ministry of health i.e. not in the private clinics.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 01:43
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

]A country, whatever it is economically and millitary strong, made of the immigrants with the growing xenophobia by the old immigrants who are against the new immigrants, aside of Native Americans who are supporters of the new ones (and aside of the other kinds of fears), with very powerful the right-wingers who encouraged all that xenophobia, that country have a serious problem. And as that country is big and politically and economicaly deeply involved everywhere on the planet, then the whole world have a problem.

Being a Latino, I couldn't be more against xenophobia, but I understand (not justify) that feeling in USA citizens.

A country has a limited source of job, illegal immigrants take the jobs of USA citizens and legal immigrants, so the reaction can be explained.

Here in Perú we are not xenophobic, but things have reached a limit, since Humala (COMMUNIST) was elected, he opened the door to Cuban medical doctors who are taking all the best paid jobs in the government with a salary between US$ 5,000.00 and US$ 10,000.00 a month, while peruvian doctors had to make a strike because they are paid less than US$ 300.00 a month in public hospitals.

After 9 years of study to get the certificate, and  6 months of strike, they gained nothing, because the Government threatened them with bringing more Cuban doctors (who gain US$ 20.00 a month in Cuba) to replace the Peruvians and will be pleased erning 15 times more.

The worst thing is that this is illegal, because the Cuban doctors are not accepted by the Peruvian Medical Association, because they haven't passed the professional test, so they come as "advisors", who work a couple hours while the real Peruvian doctors make the hard job. 

All because Chavez supported Humala's campaign and now Venezuela (who maintains Cuba) forces the Government to accept the cubans that Venezuela can't pay anymore.

We don't hate Cubans, but we want no more of them here.

Is that so hard to understand?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2015 at 01:00
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

10 generations.  My Scottish side has been here longer than Canada was a nation.

"Xenophobia" is a leftist canard to shut down discussion. Tribalism is natural behavior that has deep roots in evolutionary psychology; it is only not allowed if you live in a first-world country, apparently.
 
So economic migration is okay as long as it happened over 200 years ago?
A country, whatever it is economically and millitary strong, made of the immigrants with the growing xenophobia by the old immigrants who are against the new immigrants, aside of Native Americans who are supporters of the new ones (and aside of the other kinds of fears), with very powerful the right-wingers who encouraged all that xenophobia, that country have a serious problem. And as that country is big and politically and economicaly deeply involved everywhere on the planet, then the whole world have a problem.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 23:22
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 
 

The black man with his raised closed hand has nothing to do with fascism; this sign relates to the Afro-American struggle during the 1960s and indicates solidarity of movement, not a Hitler salute or a satire of one.   In fact the photo may be completely misleading, as it appears the man is saluting the soldiers in support.  Either way, you're applying Euro-trash politics to the US--  doesn't work.


LOL! That picture is an photo-illustration, a decor at the webpage with the text about that Gallup research - what I copy-pasted altogether with a pic. Of course I know that Afro-American guy with his raised hand is not a fascist; on contrary...
That recent Gallup's research is about the growing fear of the government in the U.S., therefore photography is okay as a decor there.
Btw, the U.S. right-wingers now are basically the same sh*t as Euro right-wingers at the present day; they both encouraged the xenophobia that is so similar now and they both moved to be more and more rightist so they are proto-fascists now. Not fascists yet, but one step more and that is that.
 
p.s. And when I said 'the right-wingers' re USA and so called "E.U.", I don't think on that fascistic underground, as e.g. small neo-nazi groups, football hooligans organizations in EU, etc., I think on the part of the political mainstream.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 19:14
Good, I was starting to get really bored.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 19:10
Where did I say that?  Fact of the matter is that not all cultures are compatible.  Another fact of the matter is that the neocons & globalists don't want any culture to remain, that's why they exclusively push immigration from incompatible nations.  Nobody is complaining about immigrants from England, France, or Germany, because they share common values.  By contrast, how much Swedish culture do you think there still is in Malmo?

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

10 generations.  My Scottish side has been here longer than Canada was a nation.

"Xenophobia" is a leftist canard to shut down discussion. Tribalism is natural behavior that has deep roots in evolutionary psychology; it is only not allowed if you live in a first-world country, apparently.
 
So economic migration is okay as long as it happened over 200 years ago?


If you can't tell the difference between building a nation, and collecting it's social benefits centuries later, you are beyond help.


But I'll leave this thread now, I can tell you are tired of plugging your ears and going lalalala.  Peace.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 18:55
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

What impact do you think millions of muslim and catholic imports from 3rd-world nations will have on western values like, for instance, freedom of speech & women's rights?
 
The values that I'm concerned about are those of people who  want to live in a "tribal" community composed only of people who look and behave exactly as they look and behave.
 
Freedom of speech isn't worth much if everyone is saying exactly the same thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 18:53
Originally posted by NutterAlert NutterAlert wrote:

Whilst our glorious leaders stick their genitalia into deceased animals there is a world in crisis out there.

Great post

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 18:51
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

10 generations.  My Scottish side has been here longer than Canada was a nation.

"Xenophobia" is a leftist canard to shut down discussion. Tribalism is natural behavior that has deep roots in evolutionary psychology; it is only not allowed if you live in a first-world country, apparently.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 18:33
What impact do you think millions of muslim and catholic imports from 3rd-world nations will have on western values like, for instance, freedom of speech & women's rights?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 18:30
10 generations.  My Scottish side has been here longer than Canada was a nation.

"Xenophobia" is a leftist canard to shut down discussion. Tribalism is natural behavior that has deep roots in evolutionary psychology; it is only not allowed if you live in a first-world country, apparently
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 18:29
EDIT: Deleted my post, as I realized that I don't want to get into a political debate.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 18:17

A number of points: young men are probably the most mobile, therefore the most likely to try and immigrate beyond the borders of the countries they are fleeing (trying the same trip with small children is very much more difficult). I haven't seen the figures myself, but it is not surprising if most of the migrants are male and under 35%.

Also not surprising that many of them are economic refugees as well as political ones. I seem to recall that many people emigrated from Europe to America and Canada for precisely those reasons.
 
As for dependence on welfare, the figures you cite are short term and are usually the support required to set migrants up in housing, job and language training, etc.  The vast majority of migrants do not want to move to places where they can live on welfare (which if you have ever tried it ain't much of a life at all - I speak as someone whose family subsisted on welfare for a period when I was young) but rather where they can attain better lives.  To imply that immigrants mostly want to come and "live off" the system is certainly xenophobic.
 
Most importantly, western countries are willing to take migrants in (except for the southern European countries, which are being flooded by economic migrants at the moment - and economic migrants can be just as desperate as political ones, not to mention that economic immigration has been SOP for many centuries now).  They are not taking in those migrants purely from altruism, but because they recognize that immigration has benefits for the host countries.  Cultural diversity, population reinforcement, the migrants' willingness to take jobs that the native inhabitants are reluctant to, etc.
 
Your suggestion that "Mass immigration destroys cultures in favour of a bland melting pot" is belied by the experience of America and Canada, which are populated almost exclusively by mass immigration and are in fact complex societies that no one could call "bland."
 
Your arguments do reveal rather blatant xenophobia. So I'm wondering, how many generations back did your family emigrate to Canada?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 18:10
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 
 

The black man with his raised closed hand has nothing to do with fascism; this sign relates to the Afro-American struggle during the 1960s and indicates solidarity of movement, not a Hitler salute or a satire of one.   In fact the photo may be completely misleading, as it appears the man is saluting the soldiers in support.  Either way, you're applying Euro-trash politics to the US--  doesn't work.




Edited by Atavachron - September 23 2015 at 18:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 16:36
Oh, well if you say so...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2015 at 16:24
You can't honestly believe that
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