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Velvetclown ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 8548 |
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Do I hate Amateurs............................................
no YES I DO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Velvetclown ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 8548 |
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More drumsolos !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More anything that proves, That the person knows what he´s doin, as opposed to the RAP-PEOPLE, who only got a big mouth and no talent to make 10,000 dollars just by being BAD and FAKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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arqwave ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 21 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 177 |
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FIRST AS A DRUMMER I DISAGREE WITH ESAY LIVING... In my case i defend th fact that every musician has the right to be in the spotlight to expose it's art or whatever you want to call it, and also i agree that sometimes, the drummer feels that he is the center of the universe and we must pay a tribute by suffering 30 minutes hearing him. To me a Solo is the way that the jazz men do it, a very close encounter in between the music and the groove, a very delicate pause interacting with silences and the band, a very fine exposure of drumming, i mean, a "musical" way, some prog artists do it that way: Terry Bozzio, Neil Peart, Bill Bruford, (certainly Mike Portnoy doesn't do it that way), if you want to hear good solos, just pick a record of Keith Jarrett, and hear the master Jack Dejohnette, or as FITZCARRALDO noted, hear albums like "planet drum" from Mickey Hart to understand the process of drums as a "melodic " instrument, as a musical voice in my early youth i liked the blasting solos from the heavy metal guys until one day i heard in a live situation to Mr. Elvin Jones, then i understood how stupid i was, and then i ran directly to the music store and bought a instructional video from Bozzio, and my world got expanded peace |
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Fitzcarraldo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1835 |
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Easy Livin's magazine cutting strikes a chord with me, as some of the rock band drum solos I've seen have been absolutely terrible. Can I say "gratuitous drumming"? But I think that's partly because the drummer's approach was completely wrong, because percussion solos can be great. I've seen some percussion solos by non-rock bands (various so-called World Music bands) that have been fabulous. I have two albums that are entirely percussion and they are amazing - I never tire of listening to them. |
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goose ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
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I would also like to point out the most impressive drum solo I've ever seen is on a video of a guy playing on three buckets in the street, http://crew.tweakers.net/RobinVreul.../StreetDrum.mpg |
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goose ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
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But surely, since there are forms of music based almost entirely upon rhythm (I wasn't talking about dance music, but certain Eastern folk traditions), it makes sense that a drum solo can be musical, surely? And I think if tuned percussion is used, there's no argument, unless you oppose solos of any type..? |
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29285 |
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Drum solos are nothing more that 'pissing contests' really.Carl Palmer used to play so fast that the audience could only but be in awe of his ablity.But it means very little in itself as far as artistic expression goes except that the live theatre aspect of rock shows demands it.
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Dan Bobrowski ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 02 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5243 |
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Even bass players are human
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Love it Danbo! Check out the cleavage indeed... |
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Dan Bobrowski ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 02 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5243 |
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The "Drum Solo" can be tastefully done in certain circumstances. Sometimes nothing more that a few bars. For the most part, the drummer sits behind a kit, nearly invisible, while the keybards, guitars, sax..... all get their share of the spotlight. Even the bass player can wander to the edge of the stage and check out the cleavage (you know you do...), while Mr. Metronome clicks along without notice. That solo is the chance to shine and get noticed, maybe even get laid. A discriminating drummer will show some flash, toss a stick to a someone he fancies and it's back to the shadows. Even drummers need love. Give 'em break.... |
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lucas ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 06 2004 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 8138 |
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If you want drum solos, check out Christian Vander's "Korusz", each solo is about 20 min. But I don't like myself drum solos, I prefer to them guitar (Steve Morse's solo on Deep Purple's live is amazing) or keyboard solos (anything Jordan Rudess plays live solo).
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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5 minute solo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 764 |
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I admit that if a drum solo went on for half an hour it would get boring but like a guitar solo or a bass solo or a keyboard, violin, chello, saxophone etc solo the drum solo represents artistic license. It's like those people in music magazines complaining that bands aren't doing what they want them to but in the end is it thier dicision to make? No! An artist has then right to play what they want for however long they wish to.
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You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon!
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Easy Livin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
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Can't stand drum solos myself. In my youth I used to have great "heated debates" down the pub as to whether or not drums were a musical instrument. I kept a section from one the music magazines of the 70's (Sounds/NME/Melody maker, not sure which) which had a section called "Cruely Corner". It read: This week - Drum solos (by Tim Lott) What does the following onomatopoeic representation suggest to you? ABOMADOMABOMADOMABOMADOMABOMADOMABOMADOMKSCHKTEKSCHKTEKSCHKT EKSHKTEKSCHTEKSCHTEKSCHTERENTATENTRENTATENTRENTATENTRENTATEN T ZZZZZZZZZZ. The correct answer is "a drum solo". Question 2. A drum solo is one of the following.
The correct answer is D). Mind you, even that falls short of the truth. Drum solos are also boring, ego-tripping, invariably overlong, and endlessly stultifying. Worse still they're virtually impossible to avoid. Like a nuclear holocaust, the warning signs are obvious but there's no escape. The lead up and execution always follow a pattern, half way through what might be an otherwise fairly listenable song, the more intelligent members of the band make a run for it backstage, while Monster Muppet sits perched intently behind his skins, an insane, almost sadistic gleam in his eye. There is a commotion in the audience as the more sensitive souls make a desperate vain dash for the bog: but too late. From the stage comes the endless rumble of discordant ego-charged thunder, horrible in its inevitability. The cacophony builds, a martyr's sweat break out on the torturer's brow, But an odd majority of the audience pretend - inexplicably - to enjoy the percussive ramblings. It is this response, presumably, that encourages drummers to shag themselves out "pleasing" the crowd. However, I am unable to accept that the masochism ratio is so high as to engulf most of the audience, and one can hardly put such bizarre occurrences down to a matter of mere politeness. So, there must be another explanation. Once you have established the fact that everybody hates drum solos - audiences, fellow band members (who being at least superficially human, very likely feel as aurally offended as all the other unwilling participants), and even drummers (who must surely bore themselves) - the solution is clear. There is no doubt in my mind that Ludwig Ltd. And similar drum manufacturing concerns actually plant employees in very audience. These employees are meticulously trained to clap in an authentic fashion, yell gleefully, nod their corporate heads determinedly, and generally synthesise a whole spectrum of complementary messages. The unwilling drummer, seeing how much he is "pleasing" the audience, goes to even greater extents to knock the sh*t out of his drum kit. Even though, at the end of it all, the drum kit remains partially intact, it's life can hardly fail to have been considerably shortened. Result? An increase in turnover and profits for the various drum makers. This vicious and exploitative practice must end now. Make a stand. Physically restrain the drummer if necessary. But whatever - abort at all costs. The very fabric of music is at stake. Says it all really! |
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Vibrationbaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
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Joren ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 07 2004 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 6667 |
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I have the album "Drawing The Circle" from Terry Bozzio... amazing! Fantastic! So if you think prog rock lacks drum solos, buy or download this album from Terry Bozzio... it's an entire disc full of drum solo! |
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Focussed ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: June 01 2004 Status: Offline Points: 37 |
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Drum solos have to be interesting and varied if they are going to go on for more than two minutes! The likes of Peart, Bonham and Palmer were all masters in this respect. The other alternative, of course is to blow the stage up to classical music, like Cozy Powell did. This compensates for the lack of imagination in the drumming itself.. Now, I'm going to take cover while all the Cozy Powell fanatics on this forum load up their cannons and take aim at me..!! |
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'You cant have two killers living on the same patch!'
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Dan Bobrowski ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 02 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 5243 |
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Terry Bozzio: Solo Drum Music takes soloing to a new level. Bozzio seems to be soloing in every tune he plays on. Pierre Morlien's Percolations off Gazuese is incendiary.
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5 minute solo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 764 |
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Some drummers probably have the potential to go on for extensive amounts of time but are held back. Sometimes life seems so unfair! |
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You want the spoon? You can't handle the spoon!
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diddy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: March 02 2004 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1117 |
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Yes indeed, drum solos are awesome...
I saw a Mike Portnoy solo live
![]() ![]() But if you have a bad drummer doing a solo it is boring and annoying, I saw a Led Zep cover band and the Moby Dick Solo was boring and I wanted it to be over...
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Vibrationbaby ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: February 13 2004 Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
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I love doing drum solos. Once, I went for almost an hour. The other musicians in the band just dropped their instruments and went to smoke or have a beer. My favourite drum solos come from the following drummers: Bill Bruford, Guy Nadon, Carl Palmer, Pierre van der Linden, Jack DeJohnette, Billy Cobham and John Bohnham. I t was just amazing when he would throw the sticks away and beat away with his hands. I would have liked to see Kieth Moon solo. But he was so crazy within the band I guess it wasn`t nessacry.
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