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Yorkie X
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 04 2007 Status: Offline Points: 1049 |
Posted: October 14 2008 at 11:11 | ||
^^ opinion
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 10:22 | ||
^I tried to stress that I wasn't passing a personal opinion on his voice good or bad - but that "one of the greatest natural singing voices" is not accurate.
Clearly people like it, so it can't be bad.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21138 |
Posted: October 14 2008 at 09:51 | ||
On Ayreon's The Human Equation he always uses his clean voice ... I think it worked very well. But one thing is clear ... no matter what Mike Portnoy wants, James L. will never sound like James H. in his old days ... but sadly the same applies to the new James H.. |
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johnobvious
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 11 2006 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 1361 |
Posted: October 14 2008 at 09:37 | ||
Not prog, should not be here, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. I got enough problems without worrying about something so trivial. I think I'll go check my 401(k).
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Biggles was in rehab last Saturday
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rogerthat
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: October 14 2008 at 08:22 | ||
I have always had my doubts about whether prog metal ought to be on this website, just my little opinion, it may not be valid to you and that's perfectly understandable. Since prog metal is very much on the archives and a wide variety of bands have been covered in this umbrella, it is only fair that Metallica should be included for their sheer influence on metal, including prog-metal. So, I say it is a great inclusion.
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progrules
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
Posted: October 14 2008 at 08:04 | ||
I voted the middle option. On one hand I don't understand it on the other .... It will finally stop the pleading by the many fans that obviously visit PA ! And I'm a bit of a fan myself but not unconditionally. I just love their best albums and songs (late eighties, early nineties).
What surprises me is that a year or so ago their inclusion was unthinkable and now they're here anyway.
Does this prove the flexibility of our collaborators (or the owner) ? Or is this simply fluctuating opinion ?
This is not a heavy complaint by me I'm just flabbergasted.
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A day without prog is a wasted day
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 07:43 | ||
Actually, no - without Metallica's influence, bands like Dream Theater would probably never have appeared.
Again, actually, no. I do not believe it.
I'm a qualified singing teacher, if you really want the full argument.
Yes, he does - I found an article recently (and posted the link in the other thread) in which Portnoy paid homage to Metallica saying what I said above - that Dream Theater essentially did the same thing musically as Metallica (and Iron Maiden), but with added twiddly bits. It's not a business ploy at all - it's the foundation of their career, and I'm not saying that's a bad thing - everyone has to start somewhere.
Obviously, I'm not quoting - but that is the essence of what he said.
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Angelo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: October 14 2008 at 07:34 | ||
Perhaps quite a few people did. Metallica was not allowed a few years ago, because sentiments such as expressed in this thread would've been even stronger than they are now. Now, the site has build up a reputation, and we have a properly written motivation for putting Metallica in prog-related. That's what happened. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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Ricochet
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 07:19 | ||
I don't care.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: October 14 2008 at 06:07 | ||
Missed the 36 page discussion eh? |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: October 14 2008 at 06:07 | ||
Yes I do actually. So do a lot of other people. What the hell does the fact he has superior technical skills to Lars Ulrich and his age have anything to do with his enjoyment of Metallica? You post has got to be one of the most inane in this thread so far. Most members of thrash metal's heyday band are now well into their 40s......wow, surprisingly they not only listen to that music, but GOD FORBID IN YOUR MID 40s YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY ENJOY PLAYING THRASH METAL. I plan to start a metal band one day but I guess if your logic is anything to go by, I should stop enjoying listening to bands whenever I exceed their technical abilities and once I turn 41..well, impending doom. By extension of your logic, pretty much every metal guitarist today should never listen to Jimi Hendrix since Hendrix was pretty sloppy, every metal bass player today should stop listening to Geezer Butler, vocalists stop listening to Ozzy Osbourne. You may get off on everything being uber tight..... meh, I just enjoy the emotion in the music dude. |
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micky
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 06:03 | ||
^ he did what many here do not.... he listened..and had an open mind hahha.
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Desoc
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 12 2006 Location: Oslo, Norway Status: Offline Points: 216 |
Posted: October 14 2008 at 05:57 | ||
I thought the site owner had decided not to allow this addition. What happened - did he change his mind or was he overruled?
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21138 |
Posted: October 14 2008 at 05:46 | ||
Do you really think that liking Thrash metal is an age thing, like only adolescents listen to it? I've been listening to Metallica since I was about 14 years old ... I'm 33 now and I don't plan to stop listening to Thrash any time soon. |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 05:45 | ||
If you don't see their relation to Prog, you haven't listened to their music, only heard it - and the wrong pieces at that.
Simple.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Kotro
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2815 |
Posted: October 14 2008 at 05:22 | ||
They definitly belong in Prog-Related. Let's just hope they stay there.
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Bigger on the inside.
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micky
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 03:30 | ||
^ well it's obvious that one thinks that Prog Metal has no place here, they won't see the addition making any sense. When you cut to the bone, that is really what is about. People, not just here, but in mainstream print have acknowledged they did prog metal, and were a HUGE influence on it in later years. Personally I still wonder why they are in related, when a band does albums that are 100% 'fits' here.... just what is 'related' about it?
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Anderson III
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 03:22 | ||
...And Justice For All isn't progressive?!?!? If you think music has to be straight Zappa to be considered progressive, maybe. I think Metallica writes progressive music!
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"Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo
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micky
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 01:49 | ||
or here's a new concept... since we are prog fans like to pat ourselves on the back for how intelligent and refined our tastes in music are. or you could actually read the reviews of those who supported the addition... and learn something. thus maybe see why they were added here. |
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 01:37 | ||
I don't agree with their addition at all (and I'm not alone), but for productivity's sake, let's all write scathing reviews about their bad albums (the majority of their output, actually)!!!
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