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Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is a review for the Riverside album to be released late January 2023. Confused

It's still there... Where are you, dear admins?

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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

There is a review for the Riverside album to be released late January 2023. Confused


It's still there... Where are you, dear admins?
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


Yes, there will be controls on some sites, and therein lies a problem with PA. There are very strict controls here on who or what is added and where (sometimes in a ridiculous fashion), but none whatsoever on a review or rating until after the event and, thus, when the reputational damage has been done.

If there ever is any reboot of this old site, that is a control which needs implementing.

That's what the reviews report and rating abuse threads are for. Any abuse and trolling needs to be dealt with. 


That is not what I meant. There should be a block on reviews being published until an admin clears said review. It is that which will stop the reputational damage being done in the first place. I am aware that the present system of reviewing would mean a probably intolerable number of reviews being stuck in a queue. Therefore, you limit the number of people who can publish reviews on the site - how about prog reviewers and collabs etc. To become a prog reviewer, you would need to submit a sample of reviews to demonstrate that you can write well enough and can be trusted.

BTW, that would also stop reviews from being published prior to the album release date.

true, but until we have that (if ever), we only have review reporting thread and rating abuse reporting thread. 

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


Yes, there will be controls on some sites, and therein lies a problem with PA. There are very strict controls here on who or what is added and where (sometimes in a ridiculous fashion), but none whatsoever on a review or rating until after the event and, thus, when the reputational damage has been done.

If there ever is any reboot of this old site, that is a control which needs implementing.

That's what the reviews report and rating abuse threads are for. Any abuse and trolling needs to be dealt with. 


That is not what I meant. There should be a block on reviews being published until an admin clears said review. It is that which will stop the reputational damage being done in the first place. I am aware that the present system of reviewing would mean a probably intolerable number of reviews being stuck in a queue. Therefore, you limit the number of people who can publish reviews on the site - how about prog reviewers and collabs etc. To become a prog reviewer, you would need to submit a sample of reviews to demonstrate that you can write well enough and can be trusted.

BTW, that would also stop reviews from being published prior to the album release date.

true, but until we have that (if ever), we only have review reporting thread and rating abuse reporting thread. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


Yes, there will be controls on some sites, and therein lies a problem with PA. There are very strict controls here on who or what is added and where (sometimes in a ridiculous fashion), but none whatsoever on a review or rating until after the event and, thus, when the reputational damage has been done.

If there ever is any reboot of this old site, that is a control which needs implementing.

That's what the reviews report and rating abuse threads are for. Any abuse and trolling needs to be dealt with. 


That is not what I meant. There should be a block on reviews being published until an admin clears said review. It is that which will stop the reputational damage being done in the first place. I am aware that the present system of reviewing would mean a probably intolerable number of reviews being stuck in a queue. Therefore, you limit the number of people who can publish reviews on the site - how about prog reviewers and collabs etc. To become a prog reviewer, you would need to submit a sample of reviews to demonstrate that you can write well enough and can be trusted.

BTW, that would also stop reviews from being published prior to the album release date.
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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:


Yes, there will be controls on some sites, and therein lies a problem with PA. There are very strict controls here on who or what is added and where (sometimes in a ridiculous fashion), but none whatsoever on a review or rating until after the event and, thus, when the reputational damage has been done.

If there ever is any reboot of this old site, that is a control which needs implementing.

That's what the reviews report and rating abuse threads are for. Any abuse and trolling needs to be dealt with. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:


Maybe. But that was just to be sure that this person doesn't have a legitimate promo.

I think even someone with an official promo copy should not review the album so early. The album is out in two months!!!! Confused

If it was a legitimate copy, then the label, distributor, whoever should have specified precisely when they wanted publicity and reviews. That is the way it works. This is not the first time that we have had ratings or reviews posted on albums extremely prematurely.

Maybe, but I've seen its rarely the case. For example on the metal site I hang out sometimes, the collaborators/staff are reviewing upcoming releases first, days before a release or the day of its official release, but not months. (Also staff checks out user reviews and decide if they're worth publishing or not which seems to work fine Stern Smile). But two months seems just way too early. Also the Riverside album has already got some ratings already. It means either the album has leaked or possibly trolling. 

Yes, there will be controls on some sites, and therein lies a problem with PA. There are very strict controls here on who or what is added and where (sometimes in a ridiculous fashion), but none whatsoever on a review or rating until after the event and, thus, when the reputational damage has been done.

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:


Maybe. But that was just to be sure that this person doesn't have a legitimate promo.

I think even someone with an official promo copy should not review the album so early. The album is out in two months!!!! Confused

If it was a legitimate copy, then the label, distributor, whoever should have specified precisely when they wanted publicity and reviews. That is the way it works. This is not the first time that we have had ratings or reviews posted on albums extremely prematurely.

Maybe, but I've seen its rarely the case. For example on the metal site I hang out sometimes, the collaborators/staff are reviewing upcoming releases first, days before a release or the day of its official release, but not months. (Also staff checks out user reviews and decide if they're worth publishing or not which seems to work fine Stern Smile). But two months seems just way too early. Also the Riverside album has already got some ratings. It means either the album has leaked or possibly trolling. 


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:


Maybe. But that was just to be sure that this person doesn't have a legitimate promo.

I think even someone with an official promo copy should not review the album so early. The album is out in two months!!!! Confused

If it was a legitimate copy, then the label, distributor, whoever should have specified precisely when they wanted publicity and reviews. That is the way it works. This is not the first time that we have had ratings or reviews posted on albums extremely prematurely.
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Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:


Maybe. But that was just to be sure that this person doesn't have a legitimate promo.

I think even someone with an official promo copy should not review the album so early. The album is out in two months!!!! Confused
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Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

^ I sent a PM to Mariusz Duda of Riverside (we're friends on Facebook) and he didn't seem to be happy about this... He replied that they will report it to the label. So I don't think that person has a legitimate copy (promo)...


That's an overreaction.

I was hoping one of the admins will nuke the review, that's why I brought the issue to everyone's attention. That's all. 


Maybe. But that was just to be sure that this person doesn't have a legitimate promo.
One of the admins will eventually remove it, I'm sure... And suspend the user.

Edited by Tuzvihar - November 26 2022 at 13:53
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Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

^ I sent a PM to Mariusz Duda of Riverside (we're friends on Facebook) and he didn't seem to be happy about this... He replied that they will report it to the label. So I don't think that person has a legitimate copy (promo)...

That's an overreaction.

I was hoping one of the admins will nuke the review, that's why I brought the issue to everyone's attention. That's all. 
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^ I sent a PM to Mariusz Duda of Riverside (we're friends on Facebook) and he didn't seem to be happy about this... He replied that they will report it to the label. So I don't think that person has a legitimate copy (promo)...

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There is a review for the Riverside album to be released late January 2023. Confused
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Yeah fair - thought that might be the case!
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^^ I know Matt, this type of thing is as old as the hills on this site. Will does tend to get over-excited about anything he releases; his own website is full of superlatives. It reminds me of good old Malcolm Parker from Cyclops 20 odd years ago; you'd never ask him whether one of his own releases was any good; to him it was always 5 stars, the best thing they've ever done/ he'd ever have the pleasure of releasing on his label... until the next release 2-3 months later, bless him! 

I'm not going to say too much for fear of creating a storm, but believe me, there are more established acts who used to have a network of fans who used to do the rounds of sites with their 5 star reviews to drum up trade. You didn't mind except they only had 5 posts to their name and only reviewed a few bands and side projects upon release, all conveniently 5 stars.... Wink

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^^ I know Matt, this type of thing is as old as the hills on this site. Will does tend to get over-excited about anything he releases; his own website is full of superlatives. It reminds me of good old Malcolm Parker from Cyclops 20 odd years ago; you'd never ask him whether one of his own releases was any good; to him it was always 5 stars, the best thing they've ever done/ he'd ever have the pleasure of releasing on his label... until the next release 2-3 months later, bless him! 

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This probably doesn't go as far as review/ratings abuse but interested in the powers-that-be's thoughts.

Have just listened to Antony Kalugin's latest album and reviewed with my thoughts on how frustratingly bland it is. If anyones seen anything previous you'll know this is a long running issue I've had with his solo work and with Karfagen to a lesser extent.

In doing so I noticed a 5* review from user CAERLLYSI 
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To its credit, they're pretty open about the fact that the user is actually the label under which Kalugin's music is released. But of course they're going to give their own man 5 stars to try and drive up sales! As they have done with every Kalugin/Karfagen/Sunchild/Hoggwash album...

Is this sort of review really allowed? At least they're open about who they are but it does seem like artificial inflation of ratings to me.

Being very cynical too, if you look back at other Kalugin albums, there is a core of accounts who pretty much exclusively only provide ratings/reviews for Kalugin, of 5* and sickeningly gushing about how wonderful he is. 

Realise this is driven a little by my own personal subjective opinion on something being overrated but it does seem a bit weird.
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