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Evolver 
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 Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:13 |
 Epignosis wrote:
Morse does not tell you to worship him. And why would you?
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Now, I didn't say Morse did preach, just that I assumed he did from the reviews of his albums, and his parting statement when he left SB. But if the lyrics posted above are his, they sound like prayers, more specifically, the type of prayers that often pass a Christian rock lyrics. They do not seem terribly creative, and actually quite boring. The music behind them would have to be spectacular to make it worth listening to.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:10 |
Epignosis wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Is this preachy?"Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
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"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
Nope. Those words are scriptural; I see nothing wrong with representing the Bible in prog.
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And that is OK if it's what you like.
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:07 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Is this preachy?"Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
or
"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
Nope. Those words are scriptural; I see nothing wrong with representing the Bible in prog.
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:06 |
The Only Way
People are stirred, moved by the Word. Kneel at the shrine, deceived by the wine. How was the earth conceived? Infinite space-- is there such a place?
You must believe in the human race.
ELP (Greg Lake, lyrics)
Most here on Prog Archives know this one. It certainly is about religion, and has a point of view, although if you read carefully, it's live-and-let-live ("who lights your way? Only you can say.") And how clever the title (and use of organ, the Western church instrument) capturing the no-doubt-in-my-mind arrogance both sides display.
admin edit: posting full lyrics is a copyright breach, please don't do it.
Edited by Tony R - May 30 2009 at 12:36
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 19:04 |
Evolver wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
The album has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses. And who cares if the church hasn't sold indulgences in centuries- the album is about the importance of Martin Luther. In his day, it was a big deal.
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It all depends on how it is told. I enjoyed the album by Amaseffer, even though it's a biblical story. I see nothing offensive in telling the story of Martin Luther, if it is done in a historical sense. I understand he was important, historically. Just don't tell me I have to worship him. |
Morse does not tell you to worship him. And why would you?
Edited by Epignosis - May 28 2009 at 19:05
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Evolver
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:55 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Is this preachy?
"Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
or
"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
Just a little bit. 
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It is why i don't listen to Morse. It's over and over and over. One or two songs,OK, I can deal with that. |
Also, the way he left Spock's Beard, saying he couldn't play music that didn't deliver his message was something of a giveaway.
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:35 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
StyLaZyn wrote:
Is this preachy?"Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
or
"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
Just a little bit.
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It is why i don't listen to Morse. It's over and over and over. One or two songs,OK, I can deal with that.
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Evolver
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:35 |
Epignosis wrote:
The album has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses. And who cares if the church hasn't sold indulgences in centuries- the album is about the importance of Martin Luther. In his day, it was a big deal.
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It all depends on how it is told. I enjoyed the album by Amaseffer, even though it's a biblical story. I see nothing offensive in telling the story of Martin Luther, if it is done in a historical sense. I understand he was important, historically. Just don't tell me I have to worship him.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:34 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Is this preachy?"Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
or
"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
Just a little bit. How about this? Requests your earthly presence at The vicarage for tea. And the graven image you-know-who -- With his plastic crucifix -- Hes got him fixed --" Jethro Tull My God admin edit: posting full lyrics is a copyright breach, please don't do it.
Edited by Tony R - May 30 2009 at 12:37
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:31 |
Is this preachy? "Rejoice For the king is here
Yes he's with us now
Whispering in your ear"
or
"And the glory of the Lord Shall be face to face
And the glory
And the glory of the Lord
Shall dwell in this place
And the Spirit
And the Spirit of the Lord
Shall be like a cloud
Be ye holy
And the Spirit of the Lord
It shall fill the house" |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:29 |
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mr.cub
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:15 |
Aqualung pretty much sums it up for me. Religion fascinates me, but I have never found the comfort and assurances other people find in it. I like to believe in the existence of God, but it is extremely difficult for me to do so. I'm an agnostic who occasionally attends church and I'm naturally attracted to lyrical content that understands my spiritual dilemma of sorts...
Jon Anderson based Tales off Shastic Scriptures; I find this and the eastern mysticism throughout his lyrical work intriguing as well. To me if it fits the music well, I have no problem with the lyrical content as long as it doesn't look down upon the listener (feeling their views are fact and superior to another) or insult the listener and his freedom to formulate his own opinion.
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 18:07 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Context, Ivan, context.
Most evangelistic Christians are not (or would not be) happy with the idea of selling indulgences. Which is partly what Sola Scripture is about.
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OK, but he's preaching.
I'm not happy with Jehova Witnesses leaving people die because they refuse transfusions, but I don't go attacking them, much less with some radical Christian Scientists refusing medical attention, it's their choice if they are adults.
Plus the Church doesn't sell indulgences since centuries ago, and they always use this excuse to attack.
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The album has nothing to do with Jehovah's Witnesses. And who cares if the church hasn't sold indulgences in centuries- the album is about the importance of Martin Luther. In his day, it was a big deal.
Sorry, but I just reviewed Sola Scriptura and Morse is not "preaching."
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 17:51 |
Epignosis wrote:
Context, Ivan, context.
Most evangelistic Christians are not (or would not be) happy with the idea of selling indulgences. Which is partly what Sola Scripture is about.
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OK, but he's preaching.
I'm not happy with Jehova Witnesses leaving people die because they refuse transfusions, but I don't go attacking them, much less with some radical Christian Scientists refusing medical attention, it's their choice if they are adults.
Plus the Church doesn't sell indulgences since centuries ago, and they always use this excuse to attack.
Iván
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 17:26 |
Evolver wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
"Preachy" doesn't have to be restricted to Christian lyrics. Anything telling me to do anything can be "preachy." |
I quite agree. It just seems that religious lyrics are the most prevalent of the preachy type. Followed by political lyrics. I'm not too keen on those either, and they especially tend to date a song very quickly. |
Right. But how is a songwriter praising his God and savior through song "preachy?" That's what I do not get. I've heard very few songs telling anybody to convert.
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Evolver
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 17:13 |
Epignosis wrote:
"Preachy" doesn't have to be restricted to Christian lyrics. Anything telling me to do anything can be "preachy." |
I quite agree. It just seems that religious lyrics are the most prevalent of the preachy type. Followed by political lyrics. I'm not too keen on those either, and they especially tend to date a song very quickly.
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Evolver
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 17:08 |
I actually haven't heard any of Morse's works since he left Spock's Beard, and haven't been interested in getting any of them because I've read reviews saying he's "preachy" about his religion. I honestly don't care about a musician's religion, and usually don't mind if it's brought up in a song. If the music is good, it transcends the lyrics. And I usually don't listen to the lyrics the first few times through a prog album.
That said, I'm not terribly interested in listening to a song with a sole purpose of proclaiming a musician's personal piousness, righteousness, love of God, Jesus, Allah, Rama, Buddha, Elron, Satan, whatever. I don't want to be told that there is a "one true way". Does this make it bad music? No. I just don't want to hear it.
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 16:46 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Most Morse lyrics (and Livgren lyrics) are not preachy, despite what others say. They simply describe a biblical perspective of life. If you don't like it, pass on it.
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Sure, telling people the Pope has horns and that the Holy Saints of Catholic Church are Roman Gods with a diferent name is not preaching against other faith. 
Livegren on the other hand is very moderate.
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Context, Ivan, context.
Most evangelistic Christians are not (or would not be) happy with the idea of selling indulgences. Which is partly what Sola Scripture is about.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 16:39 |
Epignosis wrote:
Most Morse lyrics (and Livgren lyrics) are not preachy, despite what others say. They simply describe a biblical perspective of life. If you don't like it, pass on it.
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Sure, telling people the Pope has horns and that the Holy Saints of Catholic Church are Roman Gods with a diferent name is not preaching against other faith.
Livegren on the other hand is very moderate.
Iván
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Epignosis
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Posted: May 28 2009 at 16:32 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I think "preachy" is a lame ass euphemism.
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If that's a euphemism, what do you think I really mean?
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"Preachy" doesn't have to be restricted to Christian lyrics. Anything telling me to do anything can be "preachy."
Most Morse lyrics (and Livgren lyrics) are not preachy, despite what others say. They simply describe a biblical perspective of life. If you don't like it, pass on it.
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