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Failcore 
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 Posted: February 18 2008 at 23:56 |
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Look, the idea of rap as I see it is in conflict with prog. Does that mean there are no good rap groups, of course not. But it means I've got plenty of other genres to wear out before I start digging thru that haystack for a needle.
Edited by Deathrabbit - February 18 2008 at 23:57
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 23:01 |
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Uh, why? Just because you don't like it, and haven't bothered to find anything good? I fail to see how producers like Blockhead, who done everything from classical sampling, to pure jazz backgrounds, is regressive in the least. Even Timbaland, while overtly commercial, manages to sneak in some productions you can tell he made for himself and himself alone.
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Failcore
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 22:45 |
 MHDTV wrote:
...Are all you progheads so close-minded about Hip Hop? Many of you complain about how close-minded your friends are, yet look at yourselves. Here are some bands to try:
Aesop Rock
Madvillain
Public Enemy
Notorious B.I.G.
EL-P
Atmosphere
KRS-One
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That's like asking why I am close-minded toward close-mindedness. Sorry, but rap has de facto become regressive, just like pop, and pretty much modern rock as well. I mean there are no threads asking for prog-pop are there? Oh I'm sorry we do have neo-prog  j/k
Edited by Deathrabbit - February 18 2008 at 22:46
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 22:27 |
MHDTV wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
MHDTV wrote:
...Are all you progheads so close-minded about Hip Hop? Many of you complain about how close-minded your friends are, yet look at yourselves. Here are some bands to try:
Aesop Rock
Madvillain
Public Enemy
Notorious B.I.G.
EL-P
Atmosphere
KRS-One
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Being close minded has nothing to do with it. It's all personal tastes. I'm sure I've got discs in my collection that you wouldn't like. Does that make YOU close minded? E |
I already explained this. I'm not going to do it again. Once again, I encourage people to try non-mainstream Hip-Hop like Aesop Rock, KRS-One, or Jazz-Hop and Trip-Hop like DJ Shadow. |
I didn't ask you to explain a stinkin' thing. Got it? You asked, I answered. You brought up 'close minded', not me. E
Edited by E-Dub - February 18 2008 at 22:28
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 21:21 |
But Prog-Pop really does suck... 
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micky
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 19:49 |
MHDTV wrote:
...Are all you progheads so close-minded about Hip Hop? Many of you complain about how close-minded your friends are, yet look at yourselves.
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hip-hop.... pfff... wanna see close-minded.. mention prog-pop. Watch the eyes of the close-minded roll back into their heads and foam protrude from their mouths.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Evans
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 19:04 |
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Beastie boys! I have heard far too little of them, but intergalactic is pretty great.
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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sean
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 18:13 |
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i don't care for the mainstream modern stuff but i can listen to some older stuff like NWA and Public Enemy. I also don't really like a lot of today's rock bands that mix their rock with hip hop but faith no more is one of my favourite bands and they are one of the first to do that.
but for mainstream stuff, i've been force fed that for years and i can't stand it, but i can listen to the rap artists that actually have something to say, unlike soulja boy and his types.
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 18:06 |
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I'm not a huge fan of the genre, but there's some interesting stuff off at the margins - I've recently heard some Dalek, an avant hip hop act signed to Mike Patton's Ipecac label who have collaborated with Faust, and of course there was Dr Walker's collaboration with Holger Czukay.
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Apsalar
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 17:54 |
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I'm probably one of the biggest hip-hop fans around this part. I have found just as many bands to like as I have in prog, then again I usually only like very small proportions of genres. I personally don't consider myself very open minded. Some interesting bands: A Tribe Called Quest, Subtle, fbcfabric & reindeer, Cunninlynguist, DJ Screw, etcetera.
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The T
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 16:41 |
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Yah, Tupac and Nas are Hip Hop like Kenny G is Jazz in terms of complexity and innovation. |
As I said, I don't go to hip hop for complexity and innovation, but for other things. I don't care and I don't WANT some complicated hiphop. I enjoy the little that I enjoy because it's raw, poor, direct. For more "complexity and innovation" I have my classical, my prog, and even some jazz, Brubeck, Davis, that stuff... Not Kenny G. But for hiphop, something I don't hear to be amazed at the musicianship, I can take your Kenny Gs....
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 15:31 |
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It's like that with all music these days. How many good mainstream artists are there in any genre these days...
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 15:24 |
MHDTV wrote:
Yah, Tupac and Nas are Hip Hop like Kenny G is Jazz in terms of complexity and innovation. |
Yeah, it's kinda like that.
It's not hip-hop that's killing music, it's mainstream music in general. Mainstream rock like Nickelstaindpuddleofcreedback is just as bad as Lil' John.
There is, however a large creative underground that's just as musically innovative as any prog-rock record.
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 15:18 |
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Yah, Tupac and Nas are Hip Hop like Kenny G is Jazz in terms of complexity and innovation.
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:58 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
MHDTV wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I don't like many hip hop artists ... but I don't think that this means that I'm close-minded. I simply don't enjoy listening to the music, it doesn't appeal to me. There *are* a few tracks which I like, but those are all on the fringes of the genre and contain elements of other genres.
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I wasn't saying just because you dislike it means you're close-minded. Just that I doubt most people have actually heard any, and condemn it just because. |
Well, would you agree that most (in the 90% area) hip hop artists tend to keep their music really simple? That's my main problem with the genre ... there are quite a few track which only use one note for the vocals and one chord/base tone throughout. Of course there are also those hip-hop artists who use soul influences (female vocals) and/or samples from other genres. I can listen to many of those tracks on the radio without any problems and I'm also enjoying it to some extent, but it's not something which I would download or buy in a store.
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Mike is right and also (in my view) off target... You're aright in the simplicity (it's musically poor, I guess) of hip hop, of most of it at least.... But of course, it's wrong if you listen to that music because of that... I guess trying to hear hip hop for its harmonies or other musical factors will leave you dry... but if you let the simple bass lines and little details just get you in the mood, if you just listen the music ofr its attitude or because it entertains you, it can listenable... I have like 8 hip-hop albums in my collection.. it's about 1% of it... yet I like those albums... Now, another way to enjoy is if you listen to some good lyrics about violence and gangsta life (2Pac is the king there)...
there's some art to be found in hip-hop, just don't try to think every art has to be measured in purely musical notions...
I have Dr Dre, 2Pac, Big, Snoop (  ), Eric&Rakim, PublicEnemy, NAS and that's about it...well, that's 7 actually, but I have 2 of 2 pac and 2 of big, so that's 9....
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laplace
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:23 |
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Oh, don't worry, I don't think anything can kill music apart from a huge meteor.
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:20 |
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Really? Public Enemy? KRS-One? I can understand Aesop Rock or whatever, but really? Well to each their own. As I've been trying to explain I don't care if you dislike it, just if, you say that's it killing music or whatever.
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laplace
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:17 |
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My tastes are really narrow, but I've tried a lot of these supposed progressive rap artists and found it *truly* boring. Not repulsive, not IQ-reducing, just dull as hell. Sorry. ;P
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 14:11 |
E-Dub wrote:
MHDTV wrote:
...Are all you progheads so close-minded about Hip Hop? Many of you complain about how close-minded your friends are, yet look at yourselves. Here are some bands to try:
Aesop Rock
Madvillain
Public Enemy
Notorious B.I.G.
EL-P
Atmosphere
KRS-One
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Being close minded has nothing to do with it. It's all personal tastes. I'm sure I've got discs in my collection that you wouldn't like. Does that make YOU close minded? E |
I already explained this. I'm not going to do it again. Once again, I encourage people to try non-mainstream Hip-Hop like Aesop Rock, KRS-One, or Jazz-Hop and Trip-Hop like DJ Shadow.
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moreitsythanyou
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Posted: February 18 2008 at 10:09 |
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Oh yeah I tried to listen to El-P so I got an album by him and it was just straightforward jazz. Not bad though.
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