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The T 
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 Posted: February 19 2008 at 15:39 |
 MHDTV wrote:
...Are all you progheads so close-minded about Hip Hop?
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Aren't YOU a proghead too? Or why are you here?
Don't spit upwards....
Many people here ARE actually close-minded... and many aren't... and those that are are within their right to be close-minded... even if I or we don't agree with that...
I also resent the "recycled crap" argument... at least say "recycled music" or "ideas" or something... when you say something is crap... well... it's crap. If it's crap for you, I don't know what the hell will you be listening to.... if it's not and it's just a shocking term... well... you're within your right....
Again... as I said, I like some very commercial old gangsta-style (yes, the style that "killed music") records... But I wouldn't ever compare one single minute of them with the art in "recycled crap" like The Flower Kings.....So I also like recycled crap....
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Utah Man
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 12:11 |
MHDTV wrote:
...Are all you progheads so close-minded about Hip Hop?
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Question: Are you "open-mouthed" to things which you hate to taste / eat ?
Re-worded: i don't open my mouth to anything / everything, why open my (or your) mind to anything / everything ?
As far as food goes, most people are selective about what they eat.
Does that make then "closed-mouthed" ?
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Edited by Utah Man - February 19 2008 at 20:36
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Rocktopus
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 08:24 |
MHDTV wrote:
2. A lack of knowledge of modern prog? Because I think it's mainly a bunch of rehashes of the band mebers 70's idols, I lack knowledge of modern prog?
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Yes, spot on.
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Visitor13
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 06:23 |
Dr Visitor says: Close-mindedness against rap is just an expression of the repressed knowledge that prog is to classical what rap is to prog  Seriously now, been meaning to check out more rap for ages now, but kept forgetting. Heard a Madvillain song the other day, it was fun  ! Seriously, some of these guys can write CRAZY lyrics, I even tried rapping along, it's refreshing.
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 06:20 |
These threads are always so much fun.
I kind of like cLOUDDEAD, although I haven't been able to make it all the way through their album yet. I listen to too much music on the computer. :(
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 02:11 |
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"When I say 'prog is stale', I don't mean universally. I mean most of it is recycled crap." I guess rap does not recycle anything. Rap groups have been sampling music from artists from the 60's and 70's since the early 80's. That is recycling every note and beat. The current prog groups might "sound" recycled but the music is original. Take the lyrics away from rap lyricists like the Beasties and De La Soul and there is no difference in the music there, because they take their samples from the same artists note for note. Being that very few rap artist compose the actual music . Listen to Maceo and the Macks and the J. B.'s and you can hear my point. I can tell a difference between the Flower Kings and Yes.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 02:02 |
MHDTV wrote:
Holy f**k, I was commenting on the current state of prog, not in general.
That's not thecurrent state of Prog, I insist your knowledge of new Prog bands sounds very limited.
I joined the forums after all.
Good for that, I'm sure you'll enjoy the new tendencies
Stop making a big deal out of the prog-pop comment. It's irrevelant.
Don't worry about that, I don't even believe such thing as Pop Prog exists, but others do, and they don't deserve to read it sucks without at least a coherent argument.
When I say 'prog is stale', I don't mean universally. I mean most of it is recycled crap.
False again, seems you haven't heard new Prog, for your list the only remotely modern band you heard is Radiohead.
BTW: Please, stop calling CRAP to the music we like, there are bands that sound as in the 70's and most of us believe are great, you come hear to say that our favorite music is crap and you call us close mnded?
I lobve Shadow Circus and Magenta, both are rooted in the 70's, how you call them crap and ask tolerance for Hip Hop?
I fail to see how any kind of Hip-Hop is killing music. I mean, what does it matter if 50 Cent tops the charts, it's not hurting anyone, it doesn't stop people from making good music.
I doi believe it hurts, lowers the standards and the qualitry of music, people are less receptive to more elaborate music.
But, everybody is entitled to his/her taste.
Iván
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:53 |
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Holy f**k, I was commenting on the current state of prog, not in general. I joined the forums after all. Stop making a big deal out of the prog-pop comment. It's irrevelant. When I say 'prog is stale', I don't mean universally. I mean most of it is recycled crap. I fail to see how any kind of Hip-Hop is killing music. I mean, what does it matter if 50 Cent tops the charts, it's not hurting anyone, it doesn't stop people from making good music.
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:41 |
MHDTV wrote:
1. I've explained this twice...
2. A lack of knowledge of modern prog? Because I think it's mainly a bunch of rehashes of the band mebers 70's idols, I lack knowledge of modern prog?
I gave you a modest list of 5 sżrtists that play something absolutely no related with the 70's style,...Have you heard any of them? Do you have any argument to say Prog is just a bunch rehashes of the band members of the70's?
Please give arguments
3. Prog Pop was a joke.
Didn't sounded as a joke, even when I'm not a fan of what can be called Prog Pop, before you say something suckes..GIVE ARGUMENTS.
I didn't call prog old and tedious,
Yes you did, you want me to quote you?
Still is. Prog is pretty stale right around now.
Those were your words:
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Main Entry: 1stale
1 : tasteless or unpalatable from age <stale bread> 2 : tedious from familiarity <a stale routine> 3 : impaired in legal force or effect by reason of being allowed to rest without timely use, action, or demand <a stale affidavit> <a stale debt> 4 : impaired in vigor or effectiveness |
Your words not mine.
I said that right now I think prog i just recycling old ideas.
That's not true at all, try Avant Prog or RIO then tell me if they are just recycling ideas.
I don't have a problem with people having different tastes, I have a problem with people saying Hip Hop 'sucks', or it's 'killing music'. Got it?
I do believe Gangsta Rap and SOME Hip Hop is killing music and it's only an instrument of the music industry, surely there must be some good Hip Hop, but I haven't heard it yet.
Iván
NTW: Progressive Rock doesn't have to progress, it's not one of it's characteristics, but for the third time Prog has changed dramatically, check even old Symphoionic, bands from Eastern Europe, Japan and Israel have brought new sounds and influences.
There's even a very eclectic Symphonic movement in USA very borderline with Avant Garde that is radically different to anything done before..
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:41 |
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So sampling Trip-Hop. Sounds interesting.
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:38 |
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The Divine Styler used some pyschedelic samples and sounds from the 60's and combined them with some funk samples from the 70's. Along with a pro Black Muslim(like X-Clan) message. The album I own came out in the early 90's long before trip hop was created.
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:24 |
everyone wrote:
The most progressive hip hop artists I have heard is the Divine Styler.
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What kind of stuff do they do? Sounds like a Trip Hop band.
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:22 |
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1. I've explained this twice...
2. A lack of knowledge of modern prog? Because I think it's mainly a bunch of rehashes of the band mebers 70's idols, I lack knowledge of modern prog?
3. Prog Pop was a joke. I didn't call prog old and tedious, I said that right now I think prog i just recycling old ideas. I don't have a problem with people having different tastes, I have a problem with people saying Hip Hop 'sucks', or it's 'killing music'. Got it?
Edit: Post above most recent.
Edited by MHDTV - February 19 2008 at 01:23
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everyone
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:22 |
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The most progressive hip hop artists I have heard is the Divine Styler. Today's hip hop is not as experimental compared to the late 80's, early 90's hip hop. I still like the Last Poets and the Roots. If I do listen to rap today the group will have a live band in the background. I do not want to listen to some canned b*****dized versions of "Pass the Peas," "Flashlight" and other bits and pieces of others music only to add "their flavor." Mostly that "flavor" is a bunch of mindless dribble. Rap artist are lyricists not as they claim to be...musicians. Prog musicians write the music and play the instruments on their albums. Todays rap is just overproduced pablum just like the pop r&b. I do like the version of P.E's "She Watch Channel Zero" by the band Follow for Now. I do own about 300 rap albums that range from the Last Poets to the first Flavor Unit record.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 01:12 |
MHDTV wrote:
...Are all you progheads so close-minded about Hip Hop? Many of you complain about how close-minded your friends are, yet look at yourselves. Here are some bands to try:
Aesop Rock
Madvillain
Public Enemy
Notorious B.I.G.
EL-P
Atmosphere
KRS-One
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Simply because some of us don't like it, point, we don't bneed to have the same taste, go to a Rap forum, mention King Crimosn and then tell me what you got as aresponse.
I tried Hip Hop, I tried each band that has been mentioned as a great one, and all sound the same to me, that's my opinion, ir not that I have prejudices or anything, I simply don't like Hip Hop and consider it mostly street poetry with rhythm, if that's being close minded, I honestly don't care to be one.
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Still is. Prog is pretty stale right around now. Seems like it's just a bunch of old bands doing the same thing they've always done |
Honestly, after this statement that reveals lack of knowledge of modern Prog and using a despective word like stale (Tasteless from old age and tedious), you dare to call us close minded?
Then you said Prog Pop (Whatever that is) sucks, without giving a single argument or explanation....Kettle Pot syndrome?
We respect your taste even if we don't share it, but if you come to a Prog Forum calling Progressive Rock bands old and tedious...That's not a good start.
People got different tastes, you gotta get used to that.
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Most prog bands aren't exactly progressive these days, so... |
I wonder how many modern bands you heard like:
- Mars Volta
- Fantomas
- The Red Masque
- Deluge Grander
- Karda Estra
Just to mentoion 5 out of several hundreed?
There's a revolution in Prog, lately the genre is changing as never nefore since the late 90's, so it's good to get informed before you say something that has no support.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - February 19 2008 at 01:21
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 00:46 |
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Freak yo' swerve
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 00:28 |
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you've got guts, I respect that.. hey, just be glad you've gotten so many positive responses
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 00:17 |
Most prog bands aren't exactly progressive these days, so...
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Freak yo' swerve
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 00:16 |
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I could write you a book, but I'm tired so you'll just have to ponder whilst gazing towards the stars.
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 19 2008 at 00:12 |
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How the hell is the idea of rap contradictory to prog? There isn't even an 'idea' of rap. It's just music, it can be progressive, or it ca be stale and regressive.
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Freak yo' swerve
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