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Brexit: A change of heart??
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Poll Question: Have you changed your mind either way?
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As a fellow European and an anti-Evil Union extremist I support both Brexit and Nexit. In fact, the scenario optimum is that the EU should abolish itself on behalf of all its member states and the rest of the world - my one and only plea in favour of EUthanasia.

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Well I certainly agree that we've not been good enough at exporting in our recent history (although we were pretty good at it in our more distant past)

I don't think being rich in raw materials necessarily makes you a wealthy nation. The kids working in the diamond mines of DR Congo don't seem too well off to me.

The reality is that the future lies with the growing economies of China and India, and not with the old economies of the west.

Yes we're doomed, but so is the EU, which means it matters little whether we stay in or get out. The future's bleak whichever way we jump
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Hi,

The weirdest part is that in a "world economy" where people must share everything in order to be able to sell it, and get more out of it, a country getting out of it, is going to find itself ... SOL. Their prices will rise and no one will buy it, not to mention that England/Britain do not exactly light up the trade world with their resources! English Coffee? Ohhh wait ... English Tea ... that will make the Plutonians really happy!

Oh wait ... forgot ... they will create more versions of "progressive" anything and then try selling it!

You do know that the BBC is the worst at selling stuff all over the world, right? Even their version of Amazon does not take American Credit Cards ... the verification's fail.

And you're counting on an economy that finds ways not to sell, succeed?

Weird!
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But being in the EU is either a good thing in itself or it isn't.

If being in the EU is self evidently a good thing then the EU doesn't need to take measures to prevent populations from voting to leave! They won't want to leave anyway.

The fact we're saying that the EU has to make Brexit look like a bad idea suggests that EU membership is not self evidently good for its citizens
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

You don't necessarily need to jusify your answer, unless you feel a burning desire to do so, this is just to get a feel for how perspectives may have changed since the referendum.

The perspectives of fellow Europeans and anyone else is perfectly welcome here. The poll isn't solely intended for those who voted here in the UK. The perspective of our neighbours (and beyond) is important, at least it is to me.

Play nicely folks..



Well, then, as somebody working for a company that owns a renowned British brand now facing severe headwinds from the combined effect of Brexit, slowing China growth and the trade war, I think it is an economic disaster in the short run.  As for the long run, I recall the Keynes quote about all of us being dead in the long run anyway.  With that said, I have never visited UK and have no idea what could have driven the Brexit.  I can say, on the other hand, that I visited the town of Niagara in 2014, found the people to be very unhappy and wasn't surprised to see Niagara county flip massively for Trump, nor particularly surprised with the Trump verdict.  That is, perhaps the working class' misery is so deep that they are prepared to gamble if only to actually make the politicians work for a change.  Unfortunately, that's not how the script seems to have played out from a distance (then again, I could be completely wrong) and I am stunned to see that we are hurtling towards a no deal Brexit.  I am not sure the EU can handle the double whammy of a no deal Brexit plus an Italian default and on their part, they ought to shake off their hubris and try to reach an amicable settlement with the UK.


I voted to remain after some consderation, and would vote the same again. I love Europe, but I'm niether here nor there on the principle of being part of it politcally, but the single market is important, as are our strategic military alliances. I have also always considered myself British & European.

Brussels needs to be careful about being too agreeable in any agreement we may reach, as it could stimulate EU skeptic movements in other member states who may also be soul searching on the question of their membership. If the UK can do it, we can do it...etc
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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

You don't necessarily need to jusify your answer, unless you feel a burning desire to do so, this is just to get a feel for how perspectives may have changed since the referendum.

The perspectives of fellow Europeans and anyone else is perfectly welcome here. The poll isn't solely intended for those who voted here in the UK. The perspective of our neighbours (and beyond) is important, at least it is to me.

Play nicely folks..


Well, then, as somebody working for a company that owns a renowned British brand now facing severe headwinds from the combined effect of Brexit, slowing China growth and the trade war, I think it is an economic disaster in the short run.  As for the long run, I recall the Keynes quote about all of us being dead in the long run anyway.  With that said, I have never visited UK and have no idea what could have driven the Brexit.  I can say, on the other hand, that I visited the town of Niagara in 2014, found the people to be very unhappy and wasn't surprised to see Niagara county flip massively for Trump, nor particularly surprised with the Trump verdict.  That is, perhaps the working class' misery is so deep that they are prepared to gamble if only to actually make the politicians work for a change.  Unfortunately, that's not how the script seems to have played out from a distance (then again, I could be completely wrong) and I am stunned to see that we are hurtling towards a no deal Brexit.  I am not sure the EU can handle the double whammy of a no deal Brexit plus an Italian default and on their part, they ought to shake off their hubris and try to reach an amicable settlement with the UK.
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Well I ended up voting Remain (but only just) but I was very much on the fence on the whole issue.
 
We can argue about the economics until we're blue in the face but, ultimately, for me, it comes down to how happy we are as a nation.
 
My feeling has always been that, as a nation, we're just not happy being part of this thing, so we just leave and be independent and happy.
 
If we stay in then the whole interminable debate will rumble on and on forever, and I think we need to deal with it once and for all and then move on as a nation.
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It's been fascinating!
For a start we learned how the UK government is completely inept. Granted the Tories were always useless but it's been so good to see Labour disintegrate as well!
And nobody wants to go there, but the EU has behaved like a wife beater telling his victim she can't leave!
Both c**ts on both sides. Who would have thunk it etc?

I worked as a poll Clerk which was interesting. Didn't actually vote because if we were to leave the EU it should have been a cross party movement.
I think we won't leave after all. But we should be kicked out!

Plus, now the whole world has saw glimpses of true nature of UK and EU, I think we CAN'T go back. Again to the abusive relationship analogy,"Oh there's no need to be concerned! Mrs. Victim has gone back to Mr. Instigator! Now let's obsess about something else instead."
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You don't necessarily need to jusify your answer, unless you feel a burning desire to do so, this is just to get a feel for how perspectives may have changed since the referendum.

The perspectives of fellow Europeans and anyone else is perfectly welcome here. The poll isn't solely intended for those who voted here in the UK. The perspective of our neighbours (and beyond) is important, at least it is to me.

Play nicely folks..
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