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cstack3
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 13:38 | ||
The 1980's was when Eddie Van Halen discovered he could rip off Steve Hackett's tapping technique!
I thought it was an evolutionary period in music, having been a direct participant in some of it. Bands like The Police and U2 were thinking & playing outside the box, and caught on....one of the best (IMHO) heavy metal LPs ever made, "Heaven and Hell" by Black Sabbath, was issued....and Metallica was starting their ascent. Plus, I saw more good concerts than I could easily name....Moody Blues, Chick Corea with Frank Gambale, Al Dimeola, John McLaughlin etc. The music was there, but you couldn't expect it to be handed on a platter to you! Radio went from disco to punk to indie to grunge to rap at lightning speed. Anything with a Mellotron was laughed at as "old hippie" music! Still, guys like Fripp figured out how to catch lightning in a bottle & came out the better for it.
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Logan
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 13:17 | ||
Great list. I have almost all of those. Art Zoyd, is, for my tastes a big omission of course from your list. News from Babel is another (very recommended). 1983 4.33 | 5 ratings 1986 I have the compilation album. Edited by Logan - March 05 2011 at 13:18 |
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lazland
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 13:11 | ||
There was some great stuff in the '80s, just as there has been great stuff in every decade or era since mankind first started banging pieces of bone together. Anyone who says anything else is named Walter
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The T
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 13:09 | ||
I love 80's music
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Noak
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 13:07 | ||
Cardiacs-A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window (one of the greatest albums ever at that) Aksak Maboul-Un peu de l'âme des bandits Etron Fou Leloublan-En public aux Etats-Unis d'Amérique Samla Mammas Manna-Familjesprickor Art Bears-The World As It Is Today Dün-Eros Kräldjursanstalten-Voodoo Boogie Nya Ljudbolaget-Nya Ljudbolaget Wha Ha Ha-Shinutowika Betsu Von Zamla-Zamlaranamma Guernica released all three of their albums in the 80's, even though I'm a bit sceptical as to calling them ''Prog''. The Residents & Renaldo and the Loaf-Title in Limbo Univers Zero-UZED Present-Le poison qui rend fou Shub-Niggurath-Le morts von vite No Secrets in the Family-In a Certain Light We All Appear Green Non Credo-Reluctant Hosts Frank Zappa-You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 1 & 2 There's probably more great stuff from the 80's, but this is what I can think of now.
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progremist
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 12:45 | ||
80's was worst era for music generally. Thin, plastic sounds. That was like transition phase to exciting seventies to kick-ass nineties. Without Marillion, Toto, Queensryche, Rush and maybe King Crimson that would been total disaster.
2000-2010 has been a little disappointing too. Yes, wonderful albums and bands but not so excinting and innovative comparing to seventies. Too much safe and calculated stuff, and the quantity of copycats.... phew. Hundred different Dream Theater-wannabies, tons of melodic death metal bands that sounds all the same. Huge guitar walls but poor riffs. Thank god there's some pearls in the river always! |
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Logan
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 12:23 | ||
Some people may think otherwise, but I have enough of a life not to trawl every page. I'm a proponent of the search engine to avoid dupicating topics when possible. And if anyone wants to bump an old topic, as old topics are autmatically locked, they can feel free to PM me, Avestin, or an admin to request that we unlock it. |
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 12:13 | ||
Fair point, i was thinking that someone had scrolled through every page of the prog lounge and found this interesting piece on page 59 i now presume you searched it
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Logan
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 12:10 | ||
Please do me the courtesy of explaining your reasoning. Would I be less bored if I started a new topic when there's an existant topic I could easily find and bump? |
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Logan
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 12:05 | ||
I was put in mind of this kind of topic due to a post in a poll-thread which had an Asia track as an option -- certain temporal limitation considerations commonly are not that important to me when it comes to topics or music. While I agree with Dean's point, and think that using dates are too arbitrary, as ludicrous as Walter's cut-off line for worthy music, there are aesthetics, and music movements, that are rooted in the 80s, or late 70's to 80's (the music/ bands I often like from that period were producing albums from the late 70s on. I like the austere, technological aspect of much music from the time. I don't like other aesthetics that were dominant in much music in the 80s -- stuff that is all too often really cheesy to my ears. Art Zoyd, yes, love it, a lot of other music, no. Edited by Logan - March 05 2011 at 12:06 |
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:56 | ||
i only just noticed this thread is that old. wtf someone was way too bored today
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cstack3
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:56 | ||
I can't believe how many folks say that Discipline-era KC was "okay"! That was FANTASTIC stuff!
Yeah, a lot of pretty ugly music came out of the 1980's, but it was a time of great experimentation and innovation....Fripp & Belew were at the forefront of the guitar synth movement, some jazz-rockers like Dimeola and Goodsall (Fire Merchants) were gaining traction, and even some of the pop of the era was listenable! U2, Men At Work, Devo etc. all had valuable contributions. Let's face it, the buying public wasn't interested in putting their money into many prog acts.....so bands like Yes had to re-tool in order to catch the wave, with junk like "Owner." It was a rough decade, but not without some excellent music! However, I agree, the movements of the era were away from progressive music and towards danceable tunes, which Fripp tried to capture with League of Gentlemen.
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Dean
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:53 | ||
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:46 | ||
the 80' were o.k, there was some cringe worthy synths around and some over the top production but the ratio of crap to good was similar to most decades it just had less masterpieces Plenty of solid efforts though:
Camel - Nude Agnus - Pinturas y Expresiones Genesis - Duke Hugh Hopper - Two Rainbows Daily King Crimson - Discipline These are just albums that came up first in my itunes when i searched and i love them all regardless of decade
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boo boo
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:42 | ||
Anyway I do think it was the weakest decade in prog's existence. But the 80s was still a damn solid decade with a lot of great music from other genres.
Not all 80s was synth pop for god's sake. But you know what? There was a lot of excellent pop music in the 80s.
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boo boo
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:39 | ||
How does it feel to have generalized a whole decade in such an idiotic way? Edited by boo boo - March 05 2011 at 11:44 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:37 | ||
Wow, Greg ressurected a thread that was almost 6 years old
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Dean
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:35 | ||
I've never really got this "decades" thing - that's a purely abstract construct, an accidental alignment of dates on a calendar set 429 years ago by Pope Greg the 13th. Decades just reflect the fact that we count in base-10. Nothing, especially music, transitions at the beginning of each decade, nothing, especially music, has a life-span of exactly ten years. If musical fads are cyclic (and some are, some aren't) then they are very unlikely to be on a ten year cycle.
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boo boo
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:32 | ||
Dismissing a whole decade where many diverse genres of music emerged brings ignorance to a downright cartoonish level. Knowing this forum, I'm not surprised. Edited by boo boo - March 05 2011 at 11:33 |
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Logan
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Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:23 | ||
Using the prog term to include the various categories at PA, then, according to my collection, the 90's is the worst decade. I belive that RIO/ Avant was flourishing in the 80s, which makes it a very strong decade for my tastes. And there's something about a particular cold aesthetic that I was hearing in the 80s that appeals to me. Though I could think of many albums I love from the 80s. Art Zoyd is a particular fave band of mine from the time (also love Art Zoyd's 70's albums). In the 80s I didn't know Art Zoyd, but back then I really liked Kraftwerk's Computer World (a pretty good example of the colder music I enjoyed at the time and continues to appeal). There's too much, I thought, great 80's experimental music that I've forgotten that I would hear thanks to a university radio station program which played really interesting to me music.
The 90's was something of a musical wasteland to me in the 90's, but then "arthouse" film was my passion during that decade. |
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