Brexit: A change of heart??

This can is going to get kicked further down the road.  That's obvious now.  No-one can agree what we should do and May's disastrous "deal" is certain to be rejected by Parliament (as it should be)

Better the Devil you know. All I can see is total chaos at the moment.

Chaser wrote: ... People like Murdoch want the UK out of the EU so they can regain control over British policy.

The Dark Elf wrote: As an American, it seems to me that Brexit was caused by the same nationalist tendencies that our idiot president, the Mango Mussolini, is railing on about, all part of a surge of alt-right partisanship across Europe and the U.S. To stay or leave the EU seems a no-win situation in either case. On the one hand, I can understand the desire for self-determination, unfettered by what may be construed as foreign interference; on the other, as I said, I am not sure the reason for leaving is altogether healthy, what with the scepter of fascism shadowing much of Europe. I have no solution. I wish you luck.

Self determination is only a good thing, if those doing the 'determining' are making good decisions , in the interests of the country. If they're not, then relinquisihing control is perfectly acceptable IMO..

Of course I over generalise here. What does acting in the best in iterests of the country actually mean? That depends on where you are politically.

In any case, there is this broad misunderstanding of exactly how much control the EU has over the passing of laws in this country. The leave campaign - or elements within it - claimed that over 75% of our laws are passed in Brussels. This turned out, not surprisingly to be bollox. The proportion of laws passed abroad changes depending on who you ask of course, and also how one defines 'laws' Are we talking regulations, guidelines or actual laws, punishiable in a court of law if broken?

Do you think Trump will be sympathetic to British refugees? Maybe only the white ones? Maybe Canada will take our dark skinned refugees.

What a f***ing mess.

I mean not everything he says is wrong. He's certainly on to something when he talks about a British oligarchy who want to take the UK out of the EU to increase their own wealth and power.

Rupert Murdoch used to control the British press and had the UK government eating out of his hand. He said that when he goes to see UK government ministers they all take notice of him, but he goes to see the EU and they don't listen to him.

People like Murdoch want the UK out of the EU so they can regain control over British policy.

[QUOTE=siLLy puPPy]For another perspective which i find interesting but by no means have concluded to be regarded as absolute fact, this show with Webster Tarpley tackles the idea that the idea of the whole Brexit thing was for the UK to buddy up with China and sort of become the Switzerland banking haven for its wealth accumulation. 

As an American, it seems to me that Brexit was caused by the same nationalist tendencies that our idiot president, the Mango Mussolini, is railing on about, all part of a surge of alt-right partisanship across Europe and the U.S.

For another perspective which i find interesting but by no means have concluded to be regarded as absolute fact, this show with Webster Tarpley tackles the idea that the idea of the whole Brexit thing was for the UK to buddy up with China and sort of become the Switzerland banking haven for its wealth accumulation. 

yeah.. following this in that interested yet distracted way...  it does seem like this is going to be one hell of a trainwreck.  It really does some in UK are in big need of a reality check, they have little to no leverage short of dancing on a cliff that can hurt the EU badly but wreck the UK, and it does seem the EU is holding firm to its lines in the sand and will be giving it to them.  

Icarium wrote: Norway is not in the EU yet we stil has to aplie EUregulations in our day-to-day life, like taxation and fees.

Indeed you do, which is the reason why die hard Brexiters would never accept a Norway type arrangement in the EEA, but die hard Remainers would be perfectly happy with it as the nearest thing to staying in.

With this, as with everything else to do with the EU and Brexit, the U.K. Is absolutely split down the middle, with neither side capable of compromise, because they hold such opposing views.

Cameron will go down as one of the worst Prime Ministers in Britain's history for prompting this unutterable mess (whether you are a leaver or remainer). Both sides told the most awful lies in the referendum, and, equally, most politicians completely misjudged the mood of an electorate utterly fed up with those who they saw responsible for the relative income poverty they found themselves suffering from as a result of globalisation and other dopey political and economic systems.

As a long standing fan of Private Eye, and a long suffering civil servant working for incompetent governments of all colours, all I can do is stand back and admire the sheer incompetence at play here.

Crimson put it well, actually. Confusion will be my epitaph, as I cross a cracked and broken path. If we make it, we can all sit back and laugh, but I fear tomorrow I'll be crying......

Uncertain times, indeed.