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Chris S 
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Viva Roger Waters........amen!
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Meltdowner
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 15:23 |
Actually, no Wright means no Floyd 
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HolyMoly
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 15:21 |
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No Bob Close No Floyd
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It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.
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micky
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 15:15 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Padraic
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 15:12 |
 tomlanesound wrote:
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lol guess you gave up on Floyd long before now
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tomlanesound
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 15:05 |
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No Syd means no Floyd
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Wanorak
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 12:52 |
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I agree with Lazland, prog is alive and well and in a new generation's hands!! Besides, there was absolutely nothing wrong with the last KC album or the current PF. I see the Endless River as what is, a sad elegy for the passing of Richard Wright. It contains all the elements of PF in a very melancholic farewell.
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A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!!
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micky
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 11:55 |
yuribujuri wrote:
Thank you for your welcoming words, I enjoy this forum.
I understand your point and I partly agree. The thing is, IMHO: look at the year 1971, how many awesome albums were released this year? Maybe every month you had a masterpiece. Look at the year 1972 and repeat the analysis, and so on... Between 1969 and 1975 the average of great masterpieces (in music sense and also in art sense) was so high... Nowadays, if you compare, I'm sorry but the average isn't the same. However, as I said, I think we have a high level bands and the genre is full alive. Nevertheless, if I could have a I time machine, for sure I would like to go to seventies. I recognize, of course, the amount of romanticism of my vision 
Thanks for your comments!
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It is a hoot. Glad you enjoy it. The core of a forum are the people that post there and there are a lot of great people here. Make a point to meet them when you can. Even more enjoyable in person. I haven't met anyone yet that hasn't been a real fun experience. I'd be a fool to disagree with you because you are 100% correct but as some have pointed out, it is a completely different world out there today than it was 30-40 years ago. I'd bet my paycheck on any number of albums being released today that would fall into, would have been considered masterpieces if released in a environment where the music and exposure to the masses was facilitated by a powerful recording industry. THere is FANTASTIC music being made today. On par with the best of the 70's stuff and just as creative with the same emphasis on breaking molds and being progressive. Finding their own sounds, their own voices. Today, again as noted, thing are so much different. Really only country music and rap (I suppose haha) are still under the thumb of the 'industry'. Rock music has IMO fragmented and decentralized beyond any realistic hope of categorizing. Anyone can make, record, and get music out to people. Today IMO it is up to people to find the music, it isn't like the good old days when the industry put it out there and heavily promoted it. Anyhow. Look forward to seeing your posts and opinions on the multitude of topics that get thrashed about here.
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moshkito
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 11:23 |
yuribujuri wrote:
... Between 1969 and 1975 the average of great masterpieces (in music sense and also in art sense) was so high...
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On one of the blog forums, one of the folks here did this by year ... and it is very nicely done. If ever you want to have an idea what to listen to, his blog has it!
yuribujuri wrote:
Nowadays, if you compare, I'm sorry but the average isn't the same.
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Fruitless exercise. You might as well go around trying to compare Stravinsky to Tachiakovsky! All it shows is a very glaring and loud lack of knowledge and appreciation for the arts, not to mention music.
yuribujuri wrote:
Nevertheless, if I could have a I time machine, for sure I would like to go to seventies. I recognize, of course, the amount of romanticism of my vision
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There are many books in Science Fiction and normal fiction that deal with this. We can even go back and look at Melmoth the Wanderer who is now miserable and missing his past loves and his past wives!
I just think that we have this idea that the time, THEN, was better than it is TODAY. This is not always the case, and in fact it is a more romanticized version of the events than otherwise. You don't want to go back to the days in Madison, where I was friskedand checked out when I went to work at the Rathskeller, during the days of the Kent State shootings. It was more than f_____! And a lot of the music, was a solid justification for our feelings of being abused ... for an empty promise and lies!
You don't want to go back and see how Picasso took his "picture" from his window-sill in order to give you a Guernica ... it hurts! It's sick. It's sad ... but it was a reality.
All you can do is appreciate the people that stood up for those freedoms and stand up by them and with them ... they were true heroes in many ways and are remembered for their work, and talent. That's not to say that the soldier that gave his life is also wrong ... of course he isn't. But the cause might have been .... questionable, but only "time" can judge that!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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cstack3
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 11:04 |
JD wrote:
With the recent release of the long awaited Pnk Floyd album we once again see that our heroes have fallen a little flat. As I look back at the last few releases from what has become roughly known as the big 5, I see them garnering lower and lower ratings. From ELP to Yes to King Crimson, none seem to be meeting their fan expectations. While a few new bands certainly try to capture the essence of "Progressive" music, our founding fathers have withered.
So I ask...
Has the flame carried by the innovators of this very divisive genre finally gone out?
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An appropriate question, and one that I have pondered.
Many prog acts, such as Yes, seem to have outworn their welcome. Their newest release, "Heaven and Earth," was just short of dreadful.
However, King Crimson is back and strong as ever! Their show in Chicago, 26 September 2014, was absolutely BRILLIANT!! Bob Fripp seems to have found his mojo, and playing with a band full of longtime collaborators and fresher faces seems to have reinvigorated him!!
Jon Anderson may not be with Yes any longer, but his recent work with Jean Luc Ponty appears to be VERY progressive! Anderson-Ponty Band is supposed to be working on new material, and will release a DVD of their initial live performance sometime soon. Anderson continues to tour with his own act, which is quite fun!
Ian Anderson sounds like he's about had it, but Rick Wakeman continues to perform, so we'll just see what comes.
I've fallen out of touch with ELP, I've read that Carl Palmer may retire soon. Being a prog drummer must be very hard work to maintain, decade after decade!! Greg Lake toured with his little speaking/solo tour, I took a pass on that.
Not sure what to make of Genesis, I don't think there will be anything new or progressive out of them in the future. And who knows about Pink Floyd? The longest-running soap opera in prog.
As age catches up with musicians and fans alike, I'm happy to have the quality product that we've been given thus far.
King Crimson's stage in Chicago.....just the appearance is progressive!! THREE drum sets!!
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yuribujuri
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 10:30 |
Thank you for your welcoming words, I enjoy this forum. I understand your point and I partly agree. The thing is, IMHO: look at the year 1971, how many awesome albums were released this year? Maybe every month you had a masterpiece. Look at the year 1972 and repeat the analysis, and so on... Between 1969 and 1975 the average of great masterpieces (in music sense and also in art sense) was so high... Nowadays, if you compare, I'm sorry but the average isn't the same. However, as I said, I think we have a high level bands and the genre is full alive. Nevertheless, if I could have a I time machine, for sure I would like to go to seventies. I recognize, of course, the amount of romanticism of my vision Thanks for your comments!
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dr wu23
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 10:23 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Considering that most 70 year-olds take too long in the bank line and drive too slow in the goddam fast lane, I don't think one should be too hard on an aging group of prog musicians. |
^this......these guys are getting old.....a slow down is natural.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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thwok
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 10:01 |
presdoug wrote:
Something I tried to say in a previous post, but made a terrible mess of and ended up deleting-I'll try again.
This thread reminds me that we should thank our lucky stars that most of us live in a society where we can create, listen to, and appreciate and communicate about music in a free way.
It may not always be that way!
And it's people like in PA that keep the progressive rock flame going, no matter what. Look at all the diversity of opinions and focus here in these forums-it's an amazing and blessed thing.
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I am a Christian and church choir member, besides being a music nerd. Presdoug, I agree with you 100 percent!
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I am the funkiest man on the planet!
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presdoug
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 09:45 |
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Something I tried to say in a previous post, but made a terrible mess of and ended up deleting-I'll try again.
This thread reminds me that we should thank our lucky stars that most of us live in a society where we can create, listen to, and appreciate and communicate about music in a free way.
It may not always be that way!
And it's people like in PA that keep the progressive rock flame going, no matter what. Look at all the diversity of opinions and focus here in these forums-it's an amazing and blessed thing.
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thwok
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 09:16 |
Isa wrote:
I've been wondering lately if prog musicians would have been much better off in their careers if they had constantly shifted around their member lineups, forming new bands and bouncing new ideas off each other.
That's exactly what Jazz artists did and the sheer output of great music, even just from the 50s and 60s, is enormous. That's why I have a lot of respect for Bill Bruford - he seemed to be one of the few who really caught onto this concept early on, leaving Yes right after CttE and what not.
Basically, my suspicion is that the flame goes out because the opportunity for inspired musical ideas grows stale after working with the same musicians for a long time.
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I'll start by building on what Isa said. When you work with the same people for too long, it's inevitable that at some point, you're going to stop being as progressive as you once were. For instance, The Beatles recorded for less than 10 years and constantly innovated. Would they have continued to do so? I also think a lot of younger progressive bands are taking their influences from other sources than the classic prog bands that we love. A large part of the music I listen to these days (I'm 48) is influenced by Extreme Metal or is in that category.
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I am the funkiest man on the planet!
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moshkito
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 08:50 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Considering that most 70 year-olds take too long in the bank line and drive too slow in the goddam fast lane, I don't think one should be too hard on an aging group of prog musicians. |
What did you say, son?
(Don't forget the ears also go when you get on in (y)ears!
Edited by moshkito - November 11 2014 at 09:03
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moshkito
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 08:47 |
lazland wrote:
I have never felt so positive about the future of great progressive rock music. 2014 has energised me more than most previous years, and this in nearly 40 years now of listening and buying.
There is some great music out there. There is some great new music out there.
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There is some great OLD music out there. There is some great NEW music out there.
(I did a little editing Laz!!)
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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moshkito
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 08:29 |
JD wrote:
... our heroes have fallen a little flat. As I look back at the last few releases from what has become roughly known as the big 5, I see them garnering lower and lower ratings. From ELP to Yes to King Crimson, none seem to be meeting their fan expectations.
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Has the flame carried by the innovators of this very divisive genre finally gone out?
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YES!
Your children will grow up and you die and your "influence" will be over at any time!
Stop crying!
It's their time, and you already had yours!
This is grossly over rated, and I believe this is a bad study of "time" and the artistic/musical genre, in general.
No one, even here today, (other than a handfull, if that!), even discusses music here within a historical context. Any artistic scene, in the history of ALL the arts, usually only lasts so long ... and that's that.
Times change!
Feelings change!
For better or worse, in our view is not important ... that's life! So you thinking that your idea is better and such, is selfish, delusional and stupid!
Edited by moshkito - November 11 2014 at 08:32
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 06:06 |
HolyMoly wrote:
Thomas Jefferson is dead, but Democracy lives on.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: November 11 2014 at 05:34 |
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Considering that most 70 year-olds take too long in the bank line and drive too slow in the goddam fast lane, I don't think one should be too hard on an aging group of prog musicians.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
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Has the flame finally gone out?
I think he meant no Roger no Floyd.
