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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2014 at 05:52
Ancient civilisations? Yep, I can dig it. Atem though feels African and Pyramid like to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2014 at 05:49
I get more of that "outer space" feel from preceding Tangerine Dream LPs of Alpha Centauri, Zeit and Atem. The following trilogy of Phaedra, Rubycon and Ricochet give off a more "ancient civilization" atmosphere instead. Not really sure why, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2014 at 05:38
I hope that one day this often overshadowed field of sound, gets treated the way it should. I hear Mozart and Chopin in TD. Then again, I hear something completely unique....like taking trips to the outskirts of the solar system.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2014 at 04:52
oh ok not the biggest fan of Electronic progressive rock music. but a few of the bands are in my collection.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 12 2013 at 11:30
Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

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I disagree that musical tendencies aren't conducive to this type of music today. Theres a plethora of bands making this sort of music today, that weren't around in the 70's, 80's or 90's.

The quote is "surreal or impressionistic soundscapes".
 
Fixed the misquote. Didn't change the context any, either!
 
The concern is not about the tendencies themselves, but the music itself. Not many folks appreciate Dream Theater (for example) for its classical idealism in their music and long cuts. In fact, I'm the only one discussing it in this board, and using the reference in a review, when most folks called some of their stuff in the past 5 years just not good enough because they are stuck on the album they liked, and think it is metal crap and James voice is not an instrument but some crappy instrument!
 
People are listening to a sound they like, not the music!
 
So, anyone saying that "progressive" electronic or rock music doesn't exist, means they are listening to something else, not the music itself!
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2013 at 02:33
Originally posted by aliano aliano wrote:

Hi.My first post hereSmileCould you recommend me some electronic stuff with electric guitar solos?Something like Ashra's Friendship or TD's Underwater Sunlight and 220 Volt.I'm also curious to know if there is any other bands that produce this kind of music


Have you heard this? Tangerine Dream alumnus Michael Hoenig and Ashra founder/guitarist Manuel Gottsching – Early Water

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2013 at 13:12
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

I've quoted this more than a couple of times in the past and some certain people will maybe not like seeing it again, but for the sake of the question here, here is the summation at the end of the definition on the Prog Electronic page. "To sum up things, the progressive electronic subgenre is dedicated to intricate, moving, cerebral, intrusive electronic experiences that get involved in "kosmische", dark ambient, (post) industrial, droning, surreal or impressionist soundscapes territories."


 
AND that can be done by anyone anytime, but the musical tendencies these days are not conducive to this kind of creativity, and is what this thread and material is all about.

 

What you are saying is that no one can play the violin today, because it can't sound as good as it did 200 years ago! Or that it can't have the same moods as it did then ... and that means it comes off like music history can not have its own personality, or repeated later.

 

It can, and it will continue to do so!

 

I also have an issue with "surreal and impressionistic soundscapes..." which is like saying that you are not allowed to have an imagination and not tell the story of Carmen or Turandot in the conventional way with dialogue so you can understand the story that is being told.

 

Phaedra, by TD, thus, is just an impressionistic soundscape ... which might have been just a title, when the whole thing is just an act of love (if we can say that), all the way to an orgasm, but saying that is surreal, and impressionistic because you can't experience it?

 

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I disagree that musical tendencies aren't conducive to this type of music today. Theres a plethora of bands making this sort of music today, that weren't around in the 70's, 80's or 90's.

The quote is "surreal or impressionistic soundscapes".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2013 at 12:39
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Thanks.I will check them.Is there any guitar featured album by Schulze?
 
IN BLUE
 
Double CD with Manuel and Klaus.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2013 at 12:34
Originally posted by Sheavy Sheavy wrote:

I've quoted this more than a couple of times in the past and some certain people will maybe not like seeing it again, but for the sake of the question here, here is the summation at the end of the definition on the Prog Electronic page.

"To sum up things, the progressive electronic subgenre is dedicated to intricate, moving, cerebral, intrusive electronic experiences that get involved in "kosmische", dark ambient, (post) industrial, droning, surreal or impressionist soundscapes territories."
 
AND that can be done by anyone anytime, but the musical tendencies these days are not conducive to this kind of creativity, and is what this thread and material is all about.
 
What you are saying is that no one can play the violin today, because it can't sound as good as it did 200 years ago! Or that it can't have the same moods as it did then ... and that means it comes off like music history can not have its own personality, or repeated later.
 
It can, and it will continue to do so!
 
I also have an issue with "surreal or impressionistic soundscapes..." which is like saying that you are not allowed to have an imagination and not tell the story of Carmen or Turandot in the conventional way with dialogue so you can understand the story that is being told.
 
Phaedra, by TD, thus, is just an impressionistic soundscape ... which might have been just a title, when the whole thing is just an act of love (if we can say that), all the way to an orgasm, but saying that is surreal, and impressionistic because you can't experience it?
 
BIZARRE!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2013 at 10:24
Originally posted by aliano aliano wrote:

Hi.My first post hereSmile
Could you recommend me some electronic stuff with electric guitar solos?Something like Ashra's Friendship or TD's Underwater Sunlight and 220 Volt.I'm also curious to know if there is any other bands that produce this kind of music
 
Welcome.
 
Harmonia and Heldon have already been mentioned. You might enjoy this song:
 
 
...unfortunately, they don't have many songs like that. Zed released only one album in 1979 called Visions Of Dune. Some songs have guitar and/or drums but not all:
 
 
The band You also used both guitars and drums:
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2013 at 09:54
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by aliano aliano wrote:

Hi.My first post hereSmile
Could you recommend me some electronic stuff with electric guitar solos?Something like Ashra's Friendship or TD's Underwater Sunlight and 220 Volt.I'm also curious to know if there is any other bands that produce this kind of music

Not 'electronic music' but the German band Eloy combined synths and guitars beautifully on the albums Planets and Time To Turn. 



Check out Radio Massacre International - Rain Falls In Grey, they are mainly a electronic band but this tribute to Syd Barrett has a lot of guitar featured and is a wonderful album.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2013 at 09:13
Originally posted by aliano aliano wrote:

Hi.My first post hereSmile
Could you recommend me some electronic stuff with electric guitar solos?Something like Ashra's Friendship or TD's Underwater Sunlight and 220 Volt.I'm also curious to know if there is any other bands that produce this kind of music

Not 'electronic music' but the German band Eloy combined synths and guitars beautifully on the albums Planets and Time To Turn. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2013 at 08:54
Originally posted by aliano aliano wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Well you can't go wrong with any of Manuel Göttsching's solo albums. Inventions for electric guitar, e2 e4 and the lot. Very much in the vein of Ashra - hell it's more or less the same, after all he was the only musician in both of these constellations. I'd also strongly suggest you check out his collab with Michael Hoenig entitled Early Water. Very guitar dominated as per usual with Manuel. 

What else? Hmm do you know Harmonia? German electronic outfit that infused a lot of guitar into their pieces. 

Maybe also check out some French electronic. Heldon's Stand By, Pőle - Rizet, Pascal Comelade - Fluence are all albums I'd recommend to folks who dig a little guitar twang with their bip bips.


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Thanks.I will check them.Is there any guitar featured album by Schulze?

Not exactly, but he does feature on the first 3 Ash Ra Tempel albums, where Manuel Göttsching also plays a mean guitar. Then there's the collab he did with Far East Family Band entitled Parallel Worlds. I think he snuck in some electronics as well. even so, it's a beauty with loads of psychedelic atmospheres and guitar solos.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2013 at 08:47
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Well you can't go wrong with any of Manuel Göttsching's solo albums. Inventions for electric guitar, e2 e4 and the lot. Very much in the vein of Ashra - hell it's more or less the same, after all he was the only musician in both of these constellations. I'd also strongly suggest you check out his collab with Michael Hoenig entitled Early Water. Very guitar dominated as per usual with Manuel. 

What else? Hmm do you know Harmonia? German electronic outfit that infused a lot of guitar into their pieces. 

Maybe also check out some French electronic. Heldon's Stand By, Pőle - Rizet, Pascal Comelade - Fluence are all albums I'd recommend to folks who dig a little guitar twang with their bip bips.


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Thanks.I will check them.Is there any guitar featured album by Schulze?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2013 at 08:14
Well you can't go wrong with any of Manuel Göttsching's solo albums. Inventions for electric guitar, e2 e4 and the lot. Very much in the vein of Ashra - hell it's more or less the same, after all he was the only musician in both of these constellations. I'd also strongly suggest you check out his collab with Michael Hoenig entitled Early Water. Very guitar dominated as per usual with Manuel. 

What else? Hmm do you know Harmonia? German electronic outfit that infused a lot of guitar into their pieces. 

Maybe also check out some French electronic. Heldon's Stand By, Pőle - Rizet, Pascal Comelade - Fluence are all albums I'd recommend to folks who dig a little guitar twang with their bip bips.


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Edited by Guldbamsen - November 10 2013 at 08:29
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2013 at 08:03
Hi.My first post hereSmile
Could you recommend me some electronic stuff with electric guitar solos?Something like Ashra's Friendship or TD's Underwater Sunlight and 220 Volt.I'm also curious to know if there is any other bands that produce this kind of music
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2013 at 02:32
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Remember that 30 years ago, electronic music was an experiment and still growing ... today, it's a joke and stupid, and just another instrument in the orchestra on a rock/pop song! You hardly find many composers of electronic music nowadays, as it is as if it doesn't exist anymore or is redundant like the folks using it, that can not create sounds and are not able to define something new and different.


As the cliché goes: You're not listening to the right electronic projects then. Check out some of the stuff reviewed by the industrial/noise webzine Heathen Harvest. Unless, of course, it's implicit that the kind of music they review is too esoteric and inaccessible both in sound and thematic concept to have any significant impact.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2013 at 23:09
I've quoted this more than a couple of times in the past and some certain people will maybe not like seeing it again, but for the sake of the question here, here is the summation at the end of the definition on the Prog Electronic page.

"To sum up things, the progressive electronic subgenre is dedicated to intricate, moving, cerebral, intrusive electronic experiences that get involved in "kosmische", dark ambient, (post) industrial, droning, surreal or impressionist soundscapes territories."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2013 at 23:04
You guys should check out Zorch. It's one of the best unknown bands of the 70's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXL6840nYuU

One of my favorite songs from any band that has a page in the Prog Electronic section.
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