Progressive Electronic music?
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Topic: Progressive Electronic music?
Posted By: libertycaps
Subject: Progressive Electronic music?
Date Posted: April 25 2013 at 13:38
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So. What do y'all think? I'd say:
Kraftwerk
Cluster
Harmonia
Are 3 stellar & influential bands to start with and go from there... ------------- dynaco THE FISHER Marantz Sansui Nakamichi Line Magnetic Oppo Yamaha Dynavector Sumiko Grado Denon Pioneer Advent Klipsch/Crites |
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 25 2013 at 15:08
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I never was a big fan of 'electronic prog' but I do listen to Tangerine Dream at times...and every now and then I'll play some Eno while reading.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 25 2013 at 16:58
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Tangerine Dream Radio Massacre International Klaus Schulze Jean Michel Jarre Vangelis ARC Steve Moore System Theory Fripp & Eno Zombi All good stuff ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: April 25 2013 at 17:25
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^You don't like Heldon/Pinhas or have you never heard them/him?
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 25 2013 at 17:43
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zravkapt wrote:Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: April 25 2013 at 17:50
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Galactic Explorers - Epitaph for Venus ------------- I am currently digging: Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz! Please drop me a message with album suggestions. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 01:33
| Its a genre I know very little about even though I own a ton of Vangelis, Tomita,TD and JMJarre albums. Never really felt inclined to go beyond these. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 03:03
erm...I find this category confusing, does anything qualify as Progressive Acoustic? I mean, a progressively minded musician will create progressive music on a synth or an acoustic guitar innit? - is it the technology that begets the music or vice versa?) ------------- 
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 16:23
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Some of my favourite music is Electronic. It's really a recent interest though. I like a lot of these so called "progressive electronic" groups, but I'm more geared towards a lot classic IDM and Ambient. Like artists off of Warp records: Boards Of Canada, Aphex Twin, Flying Lotus, you know all the 90's/modern stuff. ------------- 
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 16:26
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I'm really big on Kraftwerk as well. It's just really interesting to see how Electronic music has evolved since then. Their innovation was astonishing. -------------
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 16:29
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Check it out: Ambient, Chillwave, Downtempo, whatever you want to call it, this is some of best I've heard from the genre in more recent years. -------------
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 16:50
I thought FlyLo was Brainfeeder. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 16:58
I don't think it's electronic prog, it's more akin to electronica. 3'20 to 5'18 could even be played in a night club ! There is a band in this vein called Pacific!, check out their album 'Narcissus'. Regarding electronic prog, I discovered recently a french band that is completely overlooked : Also worth checking out : Software, Robert Schroeder, Bernd Kistenmacher, The Glimmer Room. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 16:58
Nah, all his releases except for the debut have been on Warp. You'd think he'd been on his own label, but apparently not. -------------
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 17:44
Apparently he only founded Brainfeeder, although he did release Duality on the label as Captain Murphy. |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 18:10
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MATMOS : SUPREME BALLOON http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbFWD6InZTY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbFWD6InZTY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=703fPncFI9U" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=703fPncFI9U |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 19:47
Oh really? I still have to check out some of those bands on the label, especially Captain Murphy. -------------
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 20:21
 How is group considered electronic prog? I mean the tune I posted is clearly a style of Ambient, Tangerine Dream is Ambient are they not? I don't want to get fancy over genre classification, cause it's all just good music, but I just think the term is a bit flawed. -------------
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 20:23
One of the benefits I find about Progressive Electronic music is that it does not give "too much" sonic information (as rock music sometimes does, especially on forced listens). Most of the time it's minimal enough without having my head feeling some kind of a burden.
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Posted By: libertycaps
Date Posted: April 26 2013 at 21:31
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Been on a massive Venetian Snares kick lately. I'd say this track/album is a progressive mix of drum 'n bass/breakcore and classical.
But every VS album/e.p. has a different mix of elements. Check it out. ------------- dynaco THE FISHER Marantz Sansui Nakamichi Line Magnetic Oppo Yamaha Dynavector Sumiko Grado Denon Pioneer Advent Klipsch/Crites |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 28 2013 at 17:07
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When I think "progressive electronic," the first bands/artists that always come to mind straight away are Tangerine Dream, Synergy and the sort. Progressive music with electronic instruments as the chief composing/performing tools.
Robert Schroeder released many great albums through the '80s. I lost touch with his output after Pegasus, but stuff like TimeWaves, Computer Voice and Brain Voyager are Berlin School classics, IMO.
Tangerine Dream's composed pieces that would definitely rate as ambient, but they're not an ambient group by any means. They've been Krautrock, Berlin School, symph prog, and there was that subpar stuff they issued in the '90s.
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: April 30 2013 at 22:04
I would think they're purely Ambient Electronic. I mean, they did incorporate more Rock elements in there music later in their career, but those guys slaved over sequencers, synths, studio tricks, you name it. They always had an atmospheric sound. -------------
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 04 2013 at 12:12
Posted By: Ethelred7
Date Posted: November 04 2013 at 13:22
| You have forgotten Klaus Schulze, he stood alone through the years among these former mates of Tangerine Dream. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: November 04 2013 at 22:46
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Progressive Electronic...I don't have a lot but really like these... Tangerine Dream - Phaedra Klaus Schulze - Picture Music Richard Pinhaus - Chronolyse Tomita - Pictures at an Exhibition ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 10:12
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In addition to all the Germans mentioned and Brian Eno's ambient work (esp. his collaborations with Robert Fripp) I'm also quite fond of Biosphere, The Future Sound of London, Jean-Michel Jarre and Steve Roach. Surprised to find Coil, Lustmord and Throbbing Gristle on PA but I do like all three projects.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 12:43
It's tough, but you might also add Ryuichi Sakamoto to your list. He's worth it, and his list of soundtracks is very good, and he also has an Oscar for one of them with David Byrne.
Generally this one is tough. I just did a listing of some stuff in a friends show 30 years ago, and the list there was crazy and insane, and had, for example, Heldon, Bezombes et Rizet, Hydravion, Phillipe Grancherre (spelling!), Richard Schneider, Ash Ra Tempel, Cosmic Couriers, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream, Michael Hoenig, Peter Michael Hamel, Eberhard Schoenner, Tomita, Richard Pinhas, Conrad Schnitzler, Achim Reichel, Franco Battiatto, Beaver and Krause, Francis Monkman, Akira Ito, Mr. Takahashi, Kitaro, Chronicle, Far East Family Band, Ralph Lundstead, Robert Schroeder, Patrick Vien, Michael Bundt, JM Jarre, Steve Roach, George Harrison, Cluster, Harmonia, Fripp and Eno (only one person EVER played No Pussyfooting!), Dzyan, Space Art, 7th Wave, FM, and many many many others. And there was not a whole lot of repetition -- like there is on Live 365 or some of those silly streams of one song by the same band! -- like there is today, and the works, as mentioned by myself and others was always about the bottom 1,000,0000 instead of top ten ... but saying that here, most of you don't like it, because it makes you all feel bad! It's not meant to, but it tells you there is a world out there and it has music ... and how much do you want to hear and learn about?
You got to answer that first!
Saying that any of these is better, or worse, than anyone else, is difficult, as there are some gems amidst all of these, but having the ear to listen to any of them, or all of them, takes a different kind of person, and you can not be one that is aligned with the enemy and the top ten world of music! Most of these are way out there and different and not at all aligned with pop music, and belong in areas that are totally experimental and nuts and crazy ... and this is the part of the electronic music that is really far out and out there ... but we can not handle it well!
Remember that 30 years ago, electronic music was an experiment and still growing ... today, it's a joke and stupid, and just another instrument in the orchestra on a rock/pop song! You hardly find many composers of electronic music nowadays, as it is as if it doesn't exist anymore or is redundant like the folks using it, that can not create sounds and are not able to define something new and different. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 23:04
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You guys should check out Zorch. It's one of the best unknown bands of the 70's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXL6840nYuU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXL6840nYuU One of my favorite songs from any band that has a page in the Prog Electronic section. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: November 09 2013 at 23:09
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I've quoted this more than a couple of times in the past and some certain people will maybe not like seeing it again, but for the sake of the question here, here is the summation at the end of the definition on the Prog Electronic page.
"To sum up things, the progressive electronic subgenre is dedicated to intricate, moving, cerebral, intrusive electronic experiences that get involved in "kosmische", dark ambient, (post) industrial, droning, surreal or impressionist soundscapes territories." -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 02:32
As the cliché goes: You're not listening to the right electronic projects then. Check out http://heathenharvest.org/2013/11/05/troum-syzygie/" rel="nofollow - some http://heathenharvest.org/2013/11/01/bruno-sanfilippo-subliminal-pulse/" rel="nofollow - of http://heathenharvest.org/2013/11/01/anenzephalia-kaltwelt/" rel="nofollow - the http://heathenharvest.org/2013/10/08/var-no-one-dances-quite-like-my-brothers/" rel="nofollow - stuff reviewed by the industrial/noise webzine Heathen Harvest. Unless, of course, it's implicit that the kind of music they review is too esoteric and inaccessible both in sound and thematic concept to have any significant impact. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 06:25
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Posted By: aliano
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 08:03
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Hi.My first post here Could you recommend me some electronic stuff with electric guitar solos?Something like Ashra's Friendship or TD's Underwater Sunlight and 220 Volt.I'm also curious to know if there is any other bands that produce this kind of music |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 08:14
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Well you can't go wrong with any of Manuel Göttsching's solo albums. Inventions for electric guitar, e2 e4 and the lot. Very much in the vein of Ashra - hell it's more or less the same, after all he was the only musician in both of these constellations. I'd also strongly suggest you check out his collab with Michael Hoenig entitled Early Water. Very guitar dominated as per usual with Manuel. What else? Hmm do you know Harmonia? German electronic outfit that infused a lot of guitar into their pieces. Maybe also check out some French electronic. Heldon's Stand By, Põle - Rizet, Pascal Comelade - Fluence are all albums I'd recommend to folks who dig a little guitar twang with their bip bips. Oh and where the hell are my manners...  Welcome to the site! I hope you'll stick around - maybe meet some of our much beloved music maniacs.
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Posted By: aliano
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 08:47
Thanks.I will check them.Is there any guitar featured album by Schulze? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 08:54
Not exactly, but he does feature on the first 3 Ash Ra Tempel albums, where Manuel Göttsching also plays a mean guitar. Then there's the collab he did with Far East Family Band entitled Parallel Worlds. I think he snuck in some electronics as well. even so, it's a beauty with loads of psychedelic atmospheres and guitar solos. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 09:13
Not 'electronic music' but the German band Eloy combined synths and guitars beautifully on the albums Planets and Time To Turn. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 09:54
Check out Radio Massacre International - Rain Falls In Grey, they are mainly a electronic band but this tribute to Syd Barrett has a lot of guitar featured and is a wonderful album.
------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 10:24
Welcome.
Harmonia and Heldon have already been mentioned. You might enjoy this song:
...unfortunately, they don't have many songs like that. Zed released only one album in 1979 called Visions Of Dune. Some songs have guitar and/or drums but not all:
The band You also used both guitars and drums:
http://www.progarchives.com/mp3.asp?id=3139" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/mp3.asp?id=3139
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 12:34
AND that can be done by anyone anytime, but the musical tendencies these days are not conducive to this kind of creativity, and is what this thread and material is all about.
What you are saying is that no one can play the violin today, because it can't sound as good as it did 200 years ago! Or that it can't have the same moods as it did then ... and that means it comes off like music history can not have its own personality, or repeated later.
It can, and it will continue to do so!
I also have an issue with "surreal or impressionistic soundscapes..." which is like saying that you are not allowed to have an imagination and not tell the story of Carmen or Turandot in the conventional way with dialogue so you can understand the story that is being told.
Phaedra, by TD, thus, is just an impressionistic soundscape ... which might have been just a title, when the whole thing is just an act of love (if we can say that), all the way to an orgasm, but saying that is surreal, and impressionistic because you can't experience it?
BIZARRE! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 12:39
IN BLUE
Double CD with Manuel and Klaus. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: November 10 2013 at 13:12
I disagree that musical tendencies aren't conducive to this type of music today. Theres a plethora of bands making this sort of music today, that weren't around in the 70's, 80's or 90's. The quote is "surreal or impressionistic soundscapes". -------------
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 11 2013 at 02:33
Have you heard this? Tangerine Dream alumnus Michael Hoenig and Ashra founder/guitarist Manuel Gottsching – Early Water ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 12 2013 at 11:30
Fixed the misquote. Didn't change the context any, either!
The concern is not about the tendencies themselves, but the music itself. Not many folks appreciate Dream Theater (for example) for its classical idealism in their music and long cuts. In fact, I'm the only one discussing it in this board, and using the reference in a review, when most folks called some of their stuff in the past 5 years just not good enough because they are stuck on the album they liked, and think it is metal crap and James voice is not an instrument but some crappy instrument!
People are listening to a sound they like, not the music!
So, anyone saying that "progressive" electronic or rock music doesn't exist, means they are listening to something else, not the music itself!
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 04:52
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oh ok not the biggest fan of Electronic progressive rock music. but a few of the bands are in my collection. ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 05:38
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I hope that one day this often overshadowed field of sound, gets treated the way it should. I hear Mozart and Chopin in TD. Then again, I hear something completely unique....like taking trips to the outskirts of the solar system.
I've been listening to Rubycon this morning ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 05:49
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I get more of that "outer space" feel from preceding Tangerine Dream LPs of Alpha Centauri, Zeit and Atem. The following trilogy of Phaedra, Rubycon and Ricochet give off a more "ancient civilization" atmosphere instead. Not really sure why, though. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 05:52
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Ancient civilisations? Yep, I can dig it. Atem though feels African and Pyramid like to me. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 06:54
Regardless of the ultimate direction taken by PA in the years to come, Progressive Electronic represents the only slot we currently have into which we will have to place the majority of prescient music i.e. cos it won't sound like rawk or qualify as Prog by the current definitions nor will it attack convention by lobbing hand me down grenades from the sniper's nest afforded to that butter fingered catch-all: avant garde. I have this nagging feeling that the seamless fusing of electronic/acoustic audio and digital/analogue media sources where the origins of all are rendered inextricable will be an area of huge growth. (Stockhausen's Licht opera cycle kinda hints at this in places but I'm thinking of a visual, textual, tactile? perhaps a tad creepy and auditory assault on the senses - given the advent of the internet, the exclusivity of the auditory phenomenon we define as music must now have a shelf life?) I ain't that crazy about any of the artists in PE just
now (I saw Tangerine Dream live in Glasgow during the late 70's and for
me, they made concrete blocks seem boisterously effervescent)..However, I reckon in less than 10 years none of us will be able to frame meaningful references that link historic popular music to the wondrous beasties that scuttle around under the Progressive Electronic BTW David, if you can hear Chopin and Mozart in Tangerine Dream then that is proof, if any were needed, that cosmiche Buskers in the future will work from home  -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 06:59
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Not to mention that guitar-based music still lags way behind electronic music in terms of taking advantage of developments in production/recording technology, and has done so for several decades by now. In fact, that's one of the main reasons I got into electronic music to begin with back in 2010 or so.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 07:35
Fair comment and demonstrably true but spare a thought for your average PC literate axe slinger - he/she has been excluded from the digital revolution since the advent of MIDI (1981) purely because music software developers could only author programs or interfaces that were keyboard centric. Guitar synthesis has been a black art for a very long time due in no small measure to the difficulties in replicating the subtle performance nuances, string bending/legato, vibrato and microtonal aspects of guitar playing to be understood by a PC. There have been improvements in the tracking capabilities of the software involved (e.g. Jam Origin from Scandinavia) but given that this problem is now over 30 years old, I think it fairly safe to assume that a solution was never a priority for the software companies like Steinberg, Cakewalk, Apple (Logic), Mark of the Unicorn etc because it was never considered viable to invite the troublesome luddite six stringer to the DAW party. Please don't confuse Kaspar Hauser with the spoiled kid who plays in his own faeces and complains that a social worker touched him on the bottom.  -------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 07:38
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Even then, today many rock producers don't seem to have any idea what to do with digital production. Hence the recent fad for going back to 1970s/1980s-style analog recording.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 07:54
Yes, it's interesting that even a casual appraisal of what types of digital audio plug-in are available for the modern producer reveals a preponderance of pseudo analogue retro beasties e.g. add grit, grunge, dirt, artefacts, aliasing and warmth to your carefully prepared but sterile digital recordings with the 64 bit floating point Putrifier Destructor with an algorythm based on George Martin's favorite Abbey Road hardware filters. We appear to be creating a soundworld in which we pay contra cleaners to dirty the windows -------------
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: March 01 2014 at 11:10
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Radio Massacre International and Heldon would be my favourites and perhaps it's not a coincidence that both feature guitar, but it's the mellotron that really makes Radio Massacre International my favourite Electronic band. Edgar Froese is great too. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 02 2014 at 11:52
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Not a huge fan of prog electronic but I do play TD and some Eno from time to time....particularly Zeit , Phaedra, Rubycon by TD and Another Green World and Science by Eno. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 02:51
It's System 7 and Rovo live in Manchester Ritz this. Really looking forward to it  . Phoenix Rising was one of my favourite albums of last year.Plenty of alcohol and grooving in order . I know System 7 aren't on pa but they're certainly electronic and pretty progressive too. Rovo are insane. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 09:30
I SOOOOOOOOOOO agree with this, and I kinda think that Steven Wilson is a good example. Like "moving an instrument" from left to the center and behind, really makes it all different. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 09:48
Interesting to hear that some folks pointed out their vision for these, and even brought out historical mentions and such.
Both Zeit and Atem, for me, are VERY ambient, and I think they kinda help bring the idea/sound to the foreground.
Phaedra, was a more "literal story" for me, than otherwise, though there is a similar moment (shorter) in Atem as well. Phaedra I think is just a title, and not necessarily anything else for a piece of music that builds up to a crescendo, similar to an orgasm in sex. I don't even think the title, helps the feeling inside the whole piece, and could have a tendency to distort the real issue, but I doubt that many of us would have liked to see it titled "Sex 101" or something just as crude.
Rubycon, is similar to Edgar's "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" for me, and I do not think that it was meant to be one thing or another, and that it might just have been a better study and definition to some of their new equipment at the time. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 12:26
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While we're at the subject, are TD still worth seeing live? They're playing in Copenhagen in April...
------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 12:56
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What an odd question. ------------- What? |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 13:16
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TD is playing in Paris in may, and a few people (some French ambient/cosmic musicians) discouraged me to go and see them: not only it's quite expensive (50 euros for the cheapest places!), but these musicians criticized what Froese may have produced for a few decades... |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 13:43
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I don't know about TD in live setting these days, but the gig in Tivoli is supposed to be the world premier of 'Sorcerer'. They've never played it live before, so I guess it should be interesting to see, if only for nostalgic purposes. I can't go, but I have a few buddies of mine attending. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: March 03 2014 at 19:42
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Really enjoying Gunter Schickert's Samtvogel record right now. It's my first spin but very impressed. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 09:22
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Attention guys - highest possible recommendation!
http://cosmicground.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://cosmicground.bandcamp.com/ 
Cosmic Ground is a solo project by Dirk Jan Müller, Keyboard player of Electric Orange. Dirk Jan Müller: mu modular, eurorack modular, fender rhodes, mellotron, moog sub phatty, philicorda, farfisa compact, farfisa professional duo, solina string ensemble, roland rs202, korg ms20, roland sh1000, hohner string melody II, elka rhapsody, nord wave, moog voyager, hohner clavinet, oberheim sem, korg mini-pops, leslie 760, hohner orgaphon...........no MIDI used. ********* I implore you, give this one a spin, anyone who misses the proper Berlin-styled space albums from the 70's will want to snap this one up right away, I'm about to order it myself. A haunting deep-space Mellotron canvas to get wrapped up in. Dave, I really think this is exactly what you'd enjoy, knowing how much you like those early TDream and Schulze albums.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 09:35
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Thanks a billion Bruce:-) I am stranded on my silly phone until late next week, which means no streaming music. Maybe I'll receive my new iphone before that, but I doubt it.
The way you describe it makes it sound perfect for my tastes! ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 09:39
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I am currently in the proces of falling head over heels for Schulze's X. I didn't get it when I first purchased it, but then again there was just so much other fantastic material to choose from, so why bother?
Well I have officially come around now! ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 14 2014 at 23:04
You've got to check out the La Vie Electronique series, especially 4. It has one of the coolest tracks I've ever heard from him. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: March 15 2014 at 17:28
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White Noise - An Electric Storm Suicide - st |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 12:16
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Just to throw this out there, the brand new limited (only 1500 units pressed) remaster of Tangerine Dream's great 1983 film score Wavelength is out. The CD contains unique versions of compositions recorded by the Froese-Franke-Schmoelling line-up of the band as well as original music (including one piece not used in the film).
http://www.lalalandrecords.com/Wavelength.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.lalalandrecords.com/Wavelength.html 
I have my copy and the remaster job is superb. It makes a great standalone album with unique versions of tracks sourced from Pergamon, Tangram, Exit along with original pieces like "Alien Goodbyes" and "Spaceship." The analog SOUNDS are exquisite! This was an exciting time for the band and the original Varese Sarabande CD is long out of print. Edgar didn't grant a new interview for the liner notes but he did give this remaster his blessing. The liner notes do provide a detailed essay on the music itself and many insights on the making of the film. Well worth the $16! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 13 2014 at 04:39
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Posted a review of the TD concert in the live performances forum earlier this week, in case you haven't noticed. It easily met expectations and then some.
------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 14 2014 at 01:33
Thanks for the heads up. I did notice this on Amazon and dismissed it because of the price and didn't realise it was a 1983 release. I've ordered it because I love the other soundtrack they did around this time (Firestarter) and also TD a brilliant job with the Kyoto release. Its cost me a bit more than the $16 because of shipping charges which for me are $10. The total cost is $22 for me
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: April 14 2014 at 01:42
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I bought the LP of `Wavelength' a month or two, and although all the pieces are very short (bit of a tease really! ), they're all quite good! I think the `Firestarter' one is better, but it's still very decent!
Now if only we could get an affordable CD reissue of `Firestarter'.... 
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: April 14 2014 at 09:45
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Goblin's Suspiria is of the European Progressive Electronic music style. Tangerine Dream traveled through this mode many times and especially in the late 70's when they actually hired a real drummer for the sessions. With Edgar Froese's guitar work , the swirling electronics, the bizzare tapes of laughter and the recordings of howling wolves combined with a real drummer, it's very much in vain of Goblin's structure. Roller and Zombi are worthwhile Goblin releases. Profondo Rosso is slightly dated in the sense that it presents the old contrived avant-garde formula used on for example the Columbo series. Not ever reaching the level of Bernard Hermann ..it was a cheesy sounding Avant-Garde method to appeal to a larger crowd who viewed T.V. shows after arriving home from a complicated day at the office. It's when everyone is plucking or blowing into an instrument to create a hokey sound or coming across with a film score for tragic scenes that purposely sounds stupied for the sake of enlightment. I can deal with this aspect to Profondo Rosso because I love Goblin. Not much value in that statement correct? The band reunited 6 or 7 years ago , producing a new studio album...which is very progressive electronic in every sense of the word. I don't recall it's title. I wasn't particularly fond of this so called "mid-period" where the band released Patrick and several others that began to sound a bit too close in soundtrack form for my taste ..where earlier in the band's career many of their soundtrack releases simply came across like an instrumental Progressive Rock album. That's what I loved about them and when that changed...I was no longer devoted. Suspiria ..which is often catagorized with it's sound effects, chanting witches..etc...to the process in writing film score. Logically...yes..it is. However...other Prog bands in history have written epics/concept albums that include the same abundance of effects and atmosphere as Goblin and are defined as Prog Rock and not compared to the soundtrack mentality. You have to listen to Goblin once or twice in a sitting and dismiss the fact that the music was written for a movie. Several of their releases are very Progressive Rock and not Soundtrack oriented. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 14 2014 at 09:58
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I hear Skrillex put out a new album. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 16:02
Just listening at the moment. Opening 2 tracks are very similar to those on Firestarter and the 3rd track is clearly come from the Pergamon live album although presumably re-recorded in the studio. Just on the 4th track which is very like something off White Eagle. All good so far. 5th track is from Tangram Pt 1 when it becomes peacefull after the energetic mid section 6th track could have been taken from Edgar Froese's solo album Pinnacles. These are very short tracks! 7th track is back to sounding a bit like Tangram although Part 2 this time. 8th track - another bit Tangram Part 2 9th track is my favourite so far 'Church Theme' , a nice interplay of ideas. Classic TD 10th - this is very nice , back to that lovely Firestarter type sound 11th track 'Airshaft' is the spookiest so far. Good stuff. just looking at the liner notes from the inner booklet. This is quite substantial for a release such as this and the writing is actually big enough so you can read it!! 12th track has got a bit of a retro vibe , could almost be Ricochet with those 'flutes'  got wrapped up in the booklet - very pleasingly detailed. Done a good job here. 3.5 for the music and 5 for the packaging! bit pricey considering its all short tracks but definitely one for those like me who love TD's music 1980 to 1984. |
Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: April 23 2014 at 16:03
Tangerine Dream's my favourite, especially "Zeit" 
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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: April 25 2014 at 12:34
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Even though I have a lot of TD's stuff, but for some reason I had not heard or purchased any of Klaus Schulze's stuff until yesterday I got Timewind...Excellent! Larry Fast's Synergy is one I enjoy as well as Vangelis. Right now I am listening to Daft Punk's soundtrack to Tron: Legacy...not bad, not sure they are classified as Electronic Progressive. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 25 2014 at 12:41
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I hope you dive a little deeper with Schulze. It's worth it, trust me. He has gems spread out all through his career.
Picture Music and Blackdance remain my two personal faves for the time being. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: April 25 2014 at 19:22
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Hey Jim/AEP! Dave is spot on in his recommendations, and in particular I have a lot of love for Schulze's `Blackdance' album, one of my absolute favourites. I think I wrote some raving and drooling 5 star review for it a couple of years back!
Speaking of Vangelis, I recently bought the remaster of his 1977 album `Spiral'....and was totally underwhelemed. Although for it's time it was probably the first of his more laid-back synth works, it's slightly cheesy and repetitive. Very disappointed, but then I've only given it one listen so far. Thankfully a year later he would put out the uncompromising and insane `Beaubourg', followed by better works such as `China' and `Opera Sauvage'. Jim, they're not in any way electronic albums, but his early works such as `Hypothesis' (quirky avant-garde jazz?), `The Dragon' (Krautrock, and another 5 star album for me) and `L'Apocalypse des Animaux' (a stunning ambient/sorrowful jazz/low-key electronica work) are all incredible, I'd suggest giving them a listen. I've been told `Earth' is also a good one from that period, but haven't come across a copy on either CD or LP at any of my record fairs yet. Can I please ask anyone on here - Can they recommend a late 80s Vangelis album called `Direct'? One of the vendors at a local record fair that I frequently buy from has had this album on remastered CD and I've left it behind a few times in a row, but I'm curious...is it worth getting? |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: April 25 2014 at 21:04
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Michael, I agree with you on Spiral (although I have not heard the remaster), however back in the day it was quite interesting. China is one of my favorites, Heaven and Hell also! I used to have Direct years ago in cassette (that should tell you something) and enjoyed it fairly well back then (of course my mindset was different then too). Since the tape player ate it alive, I have not heard it since and only remember bits and pieces. It is similar to me as his album "The City", more mellower but with some nice moements, not bad not great nothing really new, some melodies that will stick in your head. I wish I could remember more, but but too much brain ram failure....I wonder if it exists on Youtube? PS - I plan on exploring more of Schulze's stuff and will start with yours and Dave's suggestion.
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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: April 25 2014 at 22:22
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Now Michael look what you made me do. I just listened to Direct on the tube. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oLC4lRA2N8A
It is more symphonic than I remember. What memories it brings back for me. There is also an operatic moment on it. I do like it better than Spiral. -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 26 2014 at 03:24
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Spiral has 3 great Vangelis classic tracks - the title track , To The Unknown Man and Dervish D. The rest of it not so good. Direct is a basically a summation of all Vangelis work on one album. I like it a lot although I think there are several better Vangelis albums. Probably the easiest Vangelis album to get into but a long way from his more unique slightly experimental albums such as Beauborg and Mask. Direct was also his first album that he recorded after his move back to Greece from living in the UK for 10 years or so. A completely new synth keyboard set up although I'm not sure you would really know from listening to it.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 27 2014 at 16:31
I remember how much I liked Direct when I first picked it up (on cassette!!!) in '88. I also noticed the track I liked best, "Dial Out," was a "CD Bonus Track." Really nice album, overall.------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 27 2014 at 16:46
Or your money back!
That one and another derivation titled "Church Theme" are sourced from Quichotte/Pergamon, yes.
"Sunset Drive," the remix of "Remote Viewing" from Exit, is spectacular, IMO.
Soundtrack remasters are seldom cheaper than $20-25 shipped, even here. The Warriors (music by Barry DeVorzon) was 19.99, as was the recent remaster of Creepshow (music by John Harrison). ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 28 2014 at 01:06
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I like it so thats the main thing although my credit credit card is getting a real hammering at the moment
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Posted By: Butchband
Date Posted: October 08 2014 at 19:20
| Software! Yes!!! One of my all-time favorite albums of theirs is Syn-code. And the Chip Meditation CDs. In fact, most of their stuff is really good. It appears they have never received the recognition they deserve. |
Posted By: Chaosology
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 17:22
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3oItpVa9fs
do you know these guys?
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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: January 19 2015 at 15:39
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Great review of Vangelis's album - The City by Michael (ABB)! This album was a part of my many road travels in the early 90s and holds a special place for me. At that time I was pretty much out of touch with the prog world except for a few electronic progressive albums and classical music. Not his best, but he went a little bit of new direction on this and the next album or two and it is enjoyable. Another great job Michael  (agree on Red Lights, that one annoys me )http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=1348607 -------------
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Posted By: Moogmoods
Date Posted: January 19 2015 at 15:43
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Jean Michel Jarre Vangelis Eno TD ------------- The purpose of life is a life of purpose - Athena Orchard |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 19 2015 at 17:01
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The latest NODE album "Node 2" blew me away. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 20 2015 at 10:26
I still have about 1000 LP's to let go and replace with CD's ... maybe 200/250 of them this year! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: January 20 2015 at 10:38
Hey there, my old friend Jim, thank you for your kind words! I only came to get that Vangelis album because an Ebay vendor I was buying some titles off said I could get one more CD included in the same package for the same price. So I bought that Vangelis one not really caring about it at all. So I was very pleasantly surprised that it's not only really very good (except for `Red Lights'! ), but frequently rather great! A very welcome surprise! 
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 20 2015 at 11:18
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Get Vangelis' Soil Festivities if you don't already have it. That seems to be a good overlooked one from his discography. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: January 20 2015 at 11:40
Verslibre, only a fortnight ago did I rebuy a nice CD copy of it to replace my poor condition old vinyl LP of it! It's like discovering it all over again!
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Posted By: Walton Street
Date Posted: January 20 2015 at 11:50
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I skimmed from the beginning but didn't see any mention of Synergy or Philip Glass .. I love this album:  ------------- "I know one thing: that I know nothing" - SpongeBob Socrates |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 20 2015 at 14:34
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^^My fave Synergy albums are Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra and Audion. Larry re-recorded some vintage Synergy pieces and issued them as as Reconstructed Artifacts, which is also a must. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 20 2015 at 14:35
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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: January 20 2015 at 15:40
How do you feel about Sequencer?
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 20 2015 at 15:58
Excellent! I like all of the Synergy albums (that includes The Jupiter Menace), but I like Metropolitan Suite the least because of the 80s synths. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: January 20 2015 at 16:09
I only have the first two albums. I have listened to Sequencer recently but it's been awhile since I've played Electronic Realizations...
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 20 2015 at 16:15
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^^Get Audion (1980)! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |