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thellama73 
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 Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:15 |
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I think Speechless is the second best song on The Fame Monster (after Teeth.) I don't understand why so many critics panned it.
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:11 |
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Lady Gaga also doesn't lip-synch either. She's in a completely different universe than Britney Spears and the other shallow pop stars you pigeon-hole her into, and I would take her music over 80's AOR any day.
I can't believe that I feel so adamantly about defending Lady Gaga (I really am not a fan,) but I think that some of your attacks are a bit misguided, especially considering you've admitted to only hearing 1% of her music.
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:07 |
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Edited by RoyFairbank - May 07 2010 at 22:12 |
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zappaholic
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:03 |
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TMI, dude.
/sorry, had to
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 22:02 |
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^supplment to previous post
These are production people.... the old bald men I was talking about.... Gaga gets only one alone credit.... but this is common in Modern pop, they get credits just for singing (with auto-tune) LOOK AT BEYONSE, SHE GETS A CREDIT JUST FOR SINGING ON TELEPHONE SEE? Edited by RoyFairbank - May 07 2010 at 22:03 |
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 21:57 |
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To all who challenge me:
Peter Gabriel and Fish do not lip-sync, they do not dress as universes and need help exiting limos, they did not do it for money (they could and in Gabriel's case would do it to a greater degree doing the opposite), they were doing it to express the music, which was artistical prog, not stupid madonna like pop. The slipperman says something to me, GAY DANCERS AND FISH NET DON'T. All modern pop is written by old bald men and engineered in the studio aimed at the lowest denominator- Genesis and Marillion were aimed at expanding the boundaries in an original and authentic way (less for Marillion  ) they addressed important issues (look at Back In NYC or the even better life force of He Knows You Know or anything from Clutching at Straws). Lady GaGa by positioning herself as the "Princess of Pop" is balancing herself atop a cesspool. I don't care how much glitter she uses to try to hide it. I'll stick to searching for meaningful Music and when I can't find it, I'll go for skilled works of the past like 80s AOR and Experimental sh*t. I have come. I have spoken. I have came. btw I refuse to believe GuyGuy does not use auto-tune and that she writes her own material Edited by RoyFairbank - May 07 2010 at 22:00 |
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 21:55 |
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I agree. The fact that she writes all her music and doesn't use auto-tune already puts her miles ahead most other pop stars out there.
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zappaholic
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 21:45 |
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Miss Germanotta is pop music's greatest troll (I mean in the internet sense of the word). She's gaming the system for all she can, and is having a big laugh at both her fans and her detractors.
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rogerthat
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 21:26 |
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HP has already said it, but you realize that this is what people who don't listen to prog might say about Fish? Being that one of the foremost prog rock bands and certainly one that's liked by many on this forum was at the forefront of ermmm commercialization in the 80s, I am not able to condemn an artist for the only reason of being commercial. |
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thellama73
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:51 |
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I'm with you, man. I have gone on record a bunch of times on this forum expressing admiration for GaGa. I think she has a real flair for writing catchy songs, which is a really difficult thing to do well, and she doesn't seem to be the trashy, disgusting role model that a lot of young pop singers are. She actually seems pretty centered.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:45 |
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You're complaining about pretentious costumes....on a prog forum? If you hear something behind you I think it is PETER GABRIEL WITH A KNIFE LOOK OUT! As far as I know, she doesn't lip-sync. Unartistic? By what standards do you get to measure what is "art"? If you don't like something, is it simply not art? Does intending to make money really render something "not art"? How can the intent change the nature of the object? Can you make a value judgment on Lady Gaga when you admit you haven't heard much of her work? For that matter, is it possible to make a value judgment on the work of others at all? Edited by Henry Plainview - May 07 2010 at 20:49 |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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A Person
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:35 |
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I don't hate Lady Gaga as much as I do some other pop, that's gotta count for something, right?
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Stonebolt
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:32 |
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Lol, well I'm just glad you expressed you opinion Roy.
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:26 |
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Completely disagree (100%) but only know 1% of her material. Her persona, pretentious costumes and lip-syncing escapades with gay dancers is disgusting and unartistical and utterly commercial.
What I've heard of her music is unoriginal, grating and full of contempt for the listener. It can be encapsulated in this smilie equation: Gaga=  |
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Stonebolt
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Posted: May 07 2010 at 20:04 |
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I thought this would either create some mature interesting discussion, or an all out flame war. Either way, I figure the responses to this thread will amuse me. Anyway, here's my list of reasons why I like Lady Gaga:
1) She's a character: When hearing somebody like Lady Gaga or Marylin Manson for the first time, a lot of people cringe at the vastly innappropriate lyrics, think "what a freak," and turn it off. People may also do the same thing when looking at their costumes and makeup. It's true that Lady Gaga's lyrics, stage persona, and appearance are perverted. But here's the thing: Lady Gaga is a CHARACTER, not a REAL PERSON. She's played by a singer/composer/actress. Lady Gaga blends the art of characterisation with the art of music, just like prog artists blend visual art and music. I acknowladge that Lady Gaga hasn't done anything original here. Pretty much all pop artists, rappers, shock rockers, and many metal artists blend music with characterisation. But I think Lady Gaga has a better character than most. She is completely is your face, upbeat, outlandish, and is shows no angst or disrespect for the opposite sex.
2) She creates pretty good synth lines: She hits the listener over the head with a cool electronic riff as soon as you turn on the song. It's not very subtle but it works. Even if you hate her voice, song structure, and lyrics, try listening to the opening riffs of Love Game or Just Dance. Admit it: If that was a guitar playing that riff you'd love it.
3) She can actually sing: Ok, she uses a lot of electronic effects on her voice but she doesn't NEED them. She can actually sing smoothly and on pitch naturally. You probably haven't heard her do that, and it's not on the radio, but it's around. And it's not just good technique, it's also that her voice just naturally sounds good. It's not whiny or annoying like some other pop stars.
4) Parts of her songs flow so smoothly it's almost spacey: The chorus of Papparazi is the perfect example of this. (no really) Sometimes it seems like all the parts of the of her songs are flowing together, somehow being unusually consonant, which I realize is an oxymoron, but I don't know how to explain it better.
One thing I can say that's a weak point of her music though is this: It gets a little old. However pretty much every artist has at least one "weak point" in my opinion. Edited by Stonebolt - May 07 2010 at 20:06 |
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