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miamiscot

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Posted: September 07 2015 at 14:29

Love 'em both!!!

Sean Trane View Drop Down

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Prog Folk

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Posted: September 07 2015 at 06:49

Dean wrote:

Back in the day, when PE was more than a discussion forum, it was a very useful resource when evaluating new bands here, not to plunder their knowledge-base (none of us have a monopoly on freely available biographical and discography data), but more as a sanity check if you like. If the folk at PE regarded a marginal/controversial artist as Prog it added further weight to their inclusion here. The same was true of GEPR, Gagliarchives, Gnosis2000 and ProGGnosis.

There may have been some animosity in the past though I've never experienced any direct antagonism. Here we certainly noted with some concern whenever PE's site went down for any reason, which reflects a degree of Prog community brotherhood that exists among all the pro-Prog websites and forums that remarkably still remain active after all these years. How PE regards PA and vice versa has never concerned me, we share too many members for that to ever be an issue.

Yeah, the one thing I regret (and I don't think i'm the only one) is that the passage from PE2.0 to PE3.0 (first version of PE was very basic, apparently) is the loss of the reviews and the poll results (and to make new ones) >> they're still stocked somewhere, but they never got around to "get it up" in the almost-3 years of 3.0 PE.

As for the one-way antagonism (now a thing of the past), it was discernible in some threads or PMs (which can be groups, sometimes of up to 25), but since there was no thread archiving on PE2.0 (they died after a few months without posting), there was also much fine information that disappeared into oblivion.

Actually I kind of like the smaller (snoggier) PE, because here, it's too big... too many specific forums to check... and unless using tracers (in PE, just posting in X Y or Z does it), finding where you posted in PA is difficult

another thing I liked and disliked in PE: the post counts and post limits... in PE2.0, you were limited to 75 posts/week, buit you could suppress old one to keep posting... which kind of ruined the legibility of threads a few days after.

but in both version of PE, they never kept visible counts of posts, wghich I find very cool. It avoids a sense of superiority or ancienneté (this was wiped out with the PE3.0 not taking join dates of PE2.0) over others.

I was always embarrased by a big number of posts, anyways >> makes it look like I got nothing better to do with my life than hang around forums

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Edited by Sean Trane - September 07 2015 at 06:56

Big Ears

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Posted: September 07 2015 at 05:45

I post on both PA and PE, but not very often. I departed for the classic rock forums, which tend to be less partisan, but rarely contribute to them these days. I am not afraid to say I loved rock music forums for a while, but have become disillusioned for a variety of reasons.

Dean

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Posted: September 07 2015 at 05:44

I've never been a member of PE or spent any time there lurking, while I was an Admin here I chose to keep my distance if only out of diplomacy, (contrary to popular belief, I don't go looking for trouble, it seems to find me all by itself). I've always preferred a more laissez faire style of moderation that relies on the self-discipline of the membership myself, and that seems to work quite well around here (up to a point). I wouldn't want to see PA put too many restrictions on posts and threads here for established members (curtailing the exuberance of noobies and fly-by-night spammers is an unfortunate necessity sometimes).

[IMO "Best of" and other similar polls and ladder tournaments should be regarded as harmless and just for fun, along with album rating-charts and other pseudo-competitive games.]

So welcome Stann, I hope you'll join in some of the discussions here, we're not a bad lot. Hug

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Sean Trane View Drop Down

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Prog Folk

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Posted: September 07 2015 at 04:36

Stann wrote:

Sean, I do not suppose you want to get into it, but still I try:

what did that past antagonism mainly center upon?

I am not certain , but I seem to recal that a month or so back at Prog Ears forum, the moderators decided to put a temporary bann on posts along this line (or was it "best of" posts, which are equally space-wasting).
That was a very wise and much-needed decision.

Yup, don't want to delve much further than just below.

let's just say that a few prog-circles economic actors who are regular posters there were particularly pissed off at PA's owners ruthlessness in the DB's building days.

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Yup, the PE moderation (only three of them) is certainly stricter in PA: no religion or political talk (for experience, it almost came down to a nuclear war

on a few occasions), though they're definitely more laxist in terms of porn or nudity (though you have to know where to find it)

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I started on PE, but the site became less friendly

Dedfinitely tougher to survive en PE than on PA, I'll agree

Stann wrote:

BrufordFreak wrote:

impatience, intolerance, and sarcasm.

You seem to be saying that one has to develope a second skin to post at Prog Ears - I totally disagree with you there: it is a rather tame forum. Very friendly. No worries.

naaaahhhh, you do need a thicker skin than for here... If you're talking BS, you'll get called upon.

as said here before, the membership is averaging much older than here... A fait bit of the pillars are around the 55-65 landmark and many lived it from much closer than most here.

Dean wrote:

If Prog Ears is a Svetonio free zone I may just jump ships.

and I'm the nasty one, uh??

Edited by Sean Trane - September 07 2015 at 04:44

Kazza3

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Posted: September 07 2015 at 03:49

I prefer PA, but the Cardiacs thread on PE is a thing of beauty.

twosteves

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 23:40

dr wu23 wrote:

I just spent about 30 minutes checking it out (I did register btw), ....and I have to say that I like the thread topics and layout better here.

this is the filet mignon to their hamburger. Wink

I mean nothing wrong with hamburger---but..........

Man With Hat View Drop Down

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 19:32

I like PE for the news/current releases/band information side of things. It's usually there I find out about new releases or weather a band broke up or etc. PA's database and reviews section is unrivaled, so I wouldn't be without either of them. But I'd choose PA over PE if you force me too.

I like that we can discuss anything here, and I prefer the personalities, though the latter has gotten better over at PE since the move to new site.

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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.

zravkapt

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 18:04

Also, the PE forum has a limit of 3 embedded YouTube clips per post...so your computer doesn't get slowed down because someone posted three hours worth of vids.

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Dean

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:44

Stann wrote:

Dean: yourself and Svet are amongst the best posters here.

Whether your at each other's necks or not.

Prolific yes, but best?... not by a long shot. LOL

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The Dark Elf View Drop Down

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:33

Dean wrote:

If Prog Ears is a Svetonio free zone I may just jump ships.

But alas, Dean, as the old bromide goes: Loose lips sink ships.

...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...

Stann

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:32

Dean: yourself and Svet are amongst the best posters here.

Whether your at each other's necks or not.

zravkapt

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:13

^Nowhere to be found, come join us...

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Dean

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 17:12

If Prog Ears is a Svetonio free zone I may just jump ships.

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twosteves

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 16:37

lazland wrote:

A lot of us post on both sites.

I like it, but PA is my first love.

Same here---but this site is sooo much better in soooo many ways. I find while they have some members who know a lot about prog---they also have a lot of people who are fan boys who know little about prog and may be friends with certain musicians and use the forum as propaganda. LOL

The Dark Elf View Drop Down

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 16:23

I've never been there but just checked out the site. It's seems quite minimalist for allegedly being progressive.

I registered anyway, as it gives one a place to indulge in interminable Yes v. Genesis debates and ad hominem hyperbole while PA is experiencing administrative downtime.

...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...

Imperial Zeppelin View Drop Down

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 16:21

It's the enemy.

"Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl."

moodyxadi

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 16:05

Prog ears forums are less diverse but far better in valuable informantion. And thank God with far less prog metal than PA.

But PA database is invencible (almost).

Bach, Ma, Bros, Déia, Dante.

Stann

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 15:16

BrufordFreak wrote:

impatience, intolerance, and sarcasm.

You have the same here, albiet a small handfull.

THESE, for my money, are the most interesting and devoted posters. They actually POST beyond the mundane , "Yes, that is a great band and I like it too."

Posters that have the Fire is what makes a forum interesting. And informative.

You seem to be saying that one has to develope a second skin to post at Prog Ears - I totally disagree with you there: it is a rather tame forum. Very friendly. No worries.

Stann

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Posted: September 06 2015 at 15:08

Hey! You are a fusion fan (as am I).

Top thread - just in, on Air Pocket.