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Atavachron
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:53 |
Cylli Kat wrote:
Didja ever notice that you never hear the
"rap" about going to church, helping the poor, feeding the hungry,
caring about human rights, eating your vegetables, doing the right thing even
when it may hurt, etc.???
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firstly, I would bet good money there is some hiphop about all those things second, who the hell wants to hear about going to church, feeding the hungry and eating vegetables ..you think early Beatles and Zep fans wanted to hear about that?
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:52 |
"Bass, howw low can you go? Death Row?" Read it for gods sake. There are lots of little lines that, even thought it's mainly an introductory song.
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Cylli Kat
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:50 |
Again, I must be missing the uplifting bit...
None Shall Pass Lyrics Aesop Rock
flash that buttery gold, jittery zeitgeist
wither by the watering hole, border patrol
what are we to heart huckabee art f*ckery suddenly?
not enough young in his lung for the waterwing
colorfully vulgar poacher outta mulch
like "i'm 'a pull the pulse out a soldier and bolt"
fine
sign of the time we elapse
when a primate climb up a spine and attach
eye for an eye by the bog like swamps and vines
they get a rise out of frogs and flies
so when a dog-fight's hog-tied prize sorta costs a life
their mouths water on a fork and knife
and the allure isn't right, no score on a war torn beach
where the cash cow's actually beef
blood turns wine when it leak for police
like "that's not a riot it's a feast, let's eat!"
CHORUS:
and i will remember your name and face
on the day you are judged by the funhouse cast
and i will rejoice in your fall from grace
with a cane through the sky like "none shall pass"
aah, let me in! x2
none shall pass
aah, let me in! x2
none shall pass
if you never had a day a snow cone couldn't fix
you wouldn't relate to the rogue vocoder blitz
how he spoke through a no-doz motor on the fritz
cause he wouldn't play roll over fetch like a bitch
and express no regrets, though he isn't worth a homeowner's piss
to the jokers who pose by the glitz.
fine
sign of the swine in the swarm
when a king is a whore who comply and conform
miles outside of the eye of the storm
with a siphon to lure out a prize and award
while avoiding the vile and bazaar that is violence and war
true blue triumph is more
like wait, let it snake up outta the centerfold
let it break the walls of jericho
ready? go! sat where the old cardboard city folk
swap tales with heads like every other penny throw
Chorus
"you tried to trick me
you've gotta lot of nerve"
"i'm not trying to trick you
i'm -trust me- i'm -trust me- i'm trying to help"
okay, woke to a grocery list
goes like this: duty and death
honey, when a jet comes stand in the way
you could be my little snake river canyon today
and i ran with a chain of commands
and a jet pack strap where the back-stab lands if it can
fine
sign of the vibe in the crowd
when i cut her belly open to find what climb out
what a bit of gusto he muster up
to make a dark horse rush like enough is enough
it musta struck a nerve so they huff and puff
'til all the king's men fluster and clusterf**k
and it's a beautiful thing
to my people who keep an impressive wingspan
even when the cubicle shrink
you gotta pull up the intruder by the root of the weed
NY chew thru the machine
Chorus
"i'm trying to help"
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Cylli Kat
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:44 |
Didja ever notice that you never hear the
"rap" about going to church, helping the poor, feeding the hungry,
caring about human rights, eating your vegetables, doing the right thing even
when it may hurt, etc.???
Bass! How low can you go? Death row. What a brother knows. Once again back is the incredible the thyme animal the incredible D Public Enemy Number One "Five O" said "Freeze!" and I got numb Can I tell 'em that I really never had a gun? But it's the wax that the Terminator X spun Now they got me in a cell 'cause my records they sell 'Cause a brother like me said "Well... ...Frarrakhan's a prophet and I think you ought to listen to what he can say to you, what you ought to do." Follow for now, power of the people, say, "Make a miracle, D, pump the lyrical" Black is back, all in, we're gonna win Check it out, yeah y'all, here we go again
Chorus: Turn it up! Bring the noise!
Never badder than bad 'cause the brother is madder than mad At the fact that's corrupt as a senator Soul on roll, but you treat it like soap on a rope 'Cause the beats in the lines are so dope Listen for lessons I'm saying inside music that the critics are blasting me for They'll never care for the brothers and sisters now across the country has us up for the war
We got to demonstrate, come on now, they're gonna have to wait Till we get it right Radio stations I question their blackness They call themselves black, but we'll see if they'll play this
Chorus: Turn it up! Bring the noise!
Get from in front of me, the crowd runs to me My deejay is warm, he's X, I call him Norm, ya know He can cut a record from side to side So what, the ride, the glide should be much safer than a suicide Soul control, beat is the father of your rock'n'roll Music for whatcha, for whichin', you call a band, man Makin' a music, abuse it, but you can't do it, ya know You call 'em demos, but we ride limos, too Whatcha gonna do? Rap is not afraid of you Beat is for Sonny Bono, beat is for Yoko Ono Run-DMC first said a deejay could be a band Stand on its feet, get you out your seat Beat is for Eric B. and LL, as well, hell Wax is for Anthrax, still it can rock bells Ever forever, universal, it will sell Time for me to exit, Terminator X-it
Chorus...
From coast to coast, so you stop being like a comatose "Stand, my man? The beat's the same with a boost toast Rock with some pizzazz, it will last. Why you ask? Roll with the rock stars, still never get accepted as We got to plead the Fifth, we can investigate Don't need to wait, get the record straight Hey, posse's in effect, got the Flavor Terminator X to sign checks, play to get paid We got to check it out down on the avenue A magazine or two is dissing me and dissing you Yeah, I'm telling you...
Did I miss the uplifting part???
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:27 |
nvm as well
Edited by MHDTV - February 22 2008 at 19:28
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:26 |
nvm
Edited by Kid-A - February 22 2008 at 19:27
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:20 |
Bring The Noise-Public Enemy
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:19 |
MHDTV wrote:
No Regrets-Aesop Rock: Following your dreams.
None Shall Pass-Aesop Rock: Social justice.
Save Yourself-Aesop Rock: This isn't socially uplifting, but you should heed this line: Shut the f**k and recognize what you holding ain't really broken.
No Splash-Aesop Rock: One person's effect on the world.
9-5ers Anthem-Aesop Rock: About the overworked American work force.
There's 5 off the top of my head from one artist. |
The Message - Grand Master Flash (Mele Mel)
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:08 |
No Regrets-Aesop Rock: Following your dreams.
None Shall Pass-Aesop Rock: Social justice.
Save Yourself-Aesop Rock: This isn't socially uplifting, but you should heed this line: Shut the f**k and recognize what you holding ain't really broken.
No Splash-Aesop Rock: One person's effect on the world.
9-5ers Anthem-Aesop Rock: About the overworked American work force.
There's 5 off the top of my head from one artist.
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 18:56 |
Name me 5 of these uplifting songs by artist and their main themes please...
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 18:55 |
Cylli Kat wrote:
I will be the first to admit that
I'm closed minded on this issue.
Please don’t try to sway me about
the “merits” of rap/hip-hop,
I am beyond being able to even give
this a fair hearing…

I hate that rap is being used to
convince those in the lowest socioeconomic groups that they too can be
"gangsta n*gg*s", with all of the bling and ho's and money and dope
that they'd ever want. The reality is that even the “big” (c)rap stars (with
perhaps the exception of Diddy and Jay-Z), are STILL in the lower income
bracket, (c)rappin' about what they WISHED were true about their real lives.
I hate that (c)rap is leading so
many down a path to violence, drug abuse, and the devaluation of human life,
the end of which will most likely be a violent death for those who believe in
and try to live this "urban fairy tale". Sad indeed... To quote Sinajuavi from
http://www.topix.net/forum/afam/TN6ODO7CNDDNQNMSA/p3 "It is the consciousness
generally which has to change. If the youth are idolizing people who glorify
misogyny and violence, then that's what will sell, and corporations will
encourage it. It's a circular thing...people demand what they want, and
corporations encourage them to want negative stuff..."
I hate how the (c)rappers are
whining about the "negative stereotypes" surrounding their
"craft". What a joke!!! Tell me, what was the
last socially uplifting hip-hop/rap song you've heard? Didja ever notice that
you never hear the "rap" about going to church, helping the poor,
feeding the hungry, caring about human rights, eating your vegetables, doing
the right thing even when it may hurt, etc.??? Why not?!?!? Because (C)rap
"music" is a fraud, that makes money for all the wrong people and
encourages all the wrong behaviors, and is creating more urban blight than it
has ever addressed or contributed to helping. I
HATE (C)RAP/HIP-HOP AND THE BOGUS LIFESTYLE THAT IT SUPPOSEDLY
REPRESENTS!!!
I hate that
the (c)rappers and hip-hoppers are bemoaning the "stereotypes' they've
perpetuated and brought on themselves. Be real; they've EARNED all of the
negative stereotypes!!!
Sorry about
my level of vitriol, but I absolutely detest this garbage and all that it
represents. (BTW: this post was an edit of another series of posts that I contributed to another site.)
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But this has little to do with the quality of the music itself
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 18:54 |
There are tons of socially uplifting Rap songs. Just like there are tons of misogynistic Rock and Blues songs. Misogyny isn't limited by genre. Rap may have earned a lot of it's negative stereotypes, but that doesn't mean that all Rap is that way.
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Cylli Kat
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Posted: February 22 2008 at 18:50 |
I will be the first to admit that
I'm closed minded on this issue.
Please don’t try to sway me about
the “merits” of rap/hip-hop,
I am beyond being able to even give
this a fair hearing…

I hate that rap is being used to
convince those in the lowest socioeconomic groups that they too can be
"gangsta n*gg*s", with all of the bling and ho's and money and dope
that they'd ever want. The reality is that even the “big” (c)rap stars (with
perhaps the exception of Diddy and Jay-Z), are STILL in the lower income
bracket, (c)rappin' about what they WISHED were true about their real lives.
I hate that (c)rap is leading so
many down a path to violence, drug abuse, and the devaluation of human life,
the end of which will most likely be a violent death for those who believe in
and try to live this "urban fairy tale". Sad indeed... To quote Sinajuavi from
http://www.topix.net/forum/afam/TN6ODO7CNDDNQNMSA/p3 "It is the consciousness
generally which has to change. If the youth are idolizing people who glorify
misogyny and violence, then that's what will sell, and corporations will
encourage it. It's a circular thing...people demand what they want, and
corporations encourage them to want negative stuff..."
I hate how the (c)rappers are
whining about the "negative stereotypes" surrounding their
"craft". What a joke!!! Tell me, what was the
last socially uplifting hip-hop/rap song you've heard? Didja ever notice that
you never hear the "rap" about going to church, helping the poor,
feeding the hungry, caring about human rights, eating your vegetables, doing
the right thing even when it may hurt, etc.??? Why not?!?!? Because (C)rap
"music" is a fraud, that makes money for all the wrong people and
encourages all the wrong behaviors, and is creating more urban blight than it
has ever addressed or contributed to helping. I
HATE (C)RAP/HIP-HOP AND THE BOGUS LIFESTYLE THAT IT SUPPOSEDLY
REPRESENTS!!!
I hate that
the (c)rappers and hip-hoppers are bemoaning the "stereotypes' they've
perpetuated and brought on themselves. Be real; they've EARNED all of the
negative stereotypes!!!
Sorry about
my level of vitriol, but I absolutely detest this garbage and all that it
represents. (BTW: this post was an edit of another series of posts that I contributed to another site.)
Edited by Cylli Kat - February 22 2008 at 18:54
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:49 |
Mezzanine is by Massive Attack right? I should keep an eye out for that one as well
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MHDTV
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:47 |
Massive Attack is great as well. MF Doom's solo work never really seemed all that great to me.
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The Wizard
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:11 |
Check out anything MF Doom or Madlib related, especially Quasimoto and Madvillainy. Awesome stuff. Edan is also awesome, psychedelic rap.
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 17:44 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Now your target is Post Rock, wish you luck, because Post Rockers havemn't started to tal yet.
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I'm not even going to try talking about that. After reading all his posts on this thread I won't even bother to convince him otherwise. Now to Hip-hop Keeping the same late 80's / early 90's vibe, Check out A Tribe Called Quest's The Low End Theory and Midnight Marauders. Both albums are highly recommended. Great lyrics, flow and groove.
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 13:47 |
Yeah I would say Eric B and Rakim are my second favorite to Public Enemy.
I also really like De La Soul's Three Feet High and Rising, very creative and no macho stuff if you don't like that sort of thing.
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 13:36 |
Boogie Down Productions' first album is great if you can handle the poor production. Eric B and Rakim's Paid in Full is classic. The Greatest Entertainer by Grandmaster Flash is cool. Paul's Boutique by the Beastie Boys in recommended. I have too many to list that have great grooves.
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Posted: February 20 2008 at 13:25 |
Easy Money wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
SO LET'S TALK HIP HOP peopleThe only rapper I consistently listen to is Saul Williams though I somewhat like Outkast (even if they are a tad cliche in the genre)any recommendations? I've been meaning to try Public Enemy for a little while
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Check out Public Enemy's It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back, to use a tired old cliche "it's the Sgt Peppers of rap" only more agressive. Its one of the few albums in any genre that I never get tired of. |
I own this album but I really couldn't find anything so interesting about it. To better check the beginning of this genre, check Eric&Rakim's album, it has a couple songs with great groove and rhythm... Though I guess they also founded the "I have lots of money"-style that I dislike in rap music....
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