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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:53
Originally posted by Cylli Kat Cylli Kat wrote:

Didja ever notice that you never hear the "rap" about going to church, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, caring about human rights, eating your vegetables, doing the right thing even when it may hurt, etc.???



firstly, I would bet good money there is some hiphop about all those things

second, who the hell wants to hear about going to church, feeding the hungry and eating vegetables  ..you think early Beatles and Zep fans wanted to hear about that?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:52
"Bass, howw low can you go? Death Row?" Read it for gods sake. There are lots of little lines that, even thought it's mainly an introductory song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:50

Again, I must be missing the uplifting bit...


None Shall Pass Lyrics
Aesop Rock

 

flash that buttery gold, jittery zeitgeist
wither by the watering hole, border patrol
what are we to heart huckabee art f*ckery suddenly?
not enough young in his lung for the waterwing
colorfully vulgar poacher outta mulch
like "i'm 'a pull the pulse out a soldier and bolt"
fine
sign of the time we elapse
when a primate climb up a spine and attach
eye for an eye by the bog like swamps and vines
they get a rise out of frogs and flies
so when a dog-fight's hog-tied prize sorta costs a life
their mouths water on a fork and knife
and the allure isn't right, no score on a war torn beach
where the cash cow's actually beef
blood turns wine when it leak for police
like "that's not a riot it's a feast, let's eat!"

CHORUS:
and i will remember your name and face
on the day you are judged by the funhouse cast
and i will rejoice in your fall from grace
with a cane through the sky like "none shall pass"

aah, let me in! x2
none shall pass
aah, let me in! x2
none shall pass

if you never had a day a snow cone couldn't fix
you wouldn't relate to the rogue vocoder blitz
how he spoke through a no-doz motor on the fritz
cause he wouldn't play roll over fetch like a bitch
and express no regrets, though he isn't worth a homeowner's piss
to the jokers who pose by the glitz.
fine
sign of the swine in the swarm
when a king is a whore who comply and conform
miles outside of the eye of the storm
with a siphon to lure out a prize and award
while avoiding the vile and bazaar that is violence and war
true blue triumph is more
like wait, let it snake up outta the centerfold
let it break the walls of jericho
ready? go! sat where the old cardboard city folk
swap tales with heads like every other penny throw

Chorus

"you tried to trick me
you've gotta lot of nerve"
"i'm not trying to trick you
i'm -trust me- i'm -trust me- i'm trying to help"

okay, woke to a grocery list
goes like this: duty and death
honey, when a jet comes stand in the way
you could be my little snake river canyon today
and i ran with a chain of commands
and a jet pack strap where the back-stab lands if it can
fine
sign of the vibe in the crowd
when i cut her belly open to find what climb out
what a bit of gusto he muster up
to make a dark horse rush like enough is enough
it musta struck a nerve so they huff and puff
'til all the king's men fluster and clusterf**k
and it's a beautiful thing
to my people who keep an impressive wingspan
even when the cubicle shrink
you gotta pull up the intruder by the root of the weed
NY chew thru the machine

Chorus

"i'm trying to help"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:44
Didja ever notice that you never hear the "rap" about going to church, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, caring about human rights, eating your vegetables, doing the right thing even when it may hurt, etc.???

Bass! How low can you go?
Death row. What a brother knows.
Once again back is the incredible
the thyme animal
the incredible D Public Enemy Number One
"Five O" said "Freeze!" and I got numb
Can I tell 'em that I really never had a gun?
But it's the wax that the Terminator X spun
Now they got me in a cell 'cause my records they sell
'Cause a brother like me said "Well...
...Frarrakhan's a prophet and I think you ought to listen to
what he can say to you, what you ought to do."
Follow for now, power of the people, say,
"Make a miracle, D, pump the lyrical"
Black is back, all in, we're gonna win
Check it out, yeah y'all, here we go again

Chorus: Turn it up! Bring the noise!

Never badder than bad 'cause the brother is madder than mad
At the fact that's corrupt as a senator
Soul on roll, but you treat it like soap on a rope
'Cause the beats in the lines are so dope
Listen for lessons I'm saying inside music that the critics are blasting
me for
They'll never care for the brothers and sisters
now across the country has us up for the war

We got to demonstrate, come on now, they're gonna have to wait
Till we get it right
Radio stations I question their blackness
They call themselves black, but we'll see if they'll play this

Chorus: Turn it up! Bring the noise!

Get from in front of me, the crowd runs to me
My deejay is warm, he's X, I call him Norm, ya know
He can cut a record from side to side
So what, the ride, the glide should be much safer than a suicide
Soul control, beat is the father of your rock'n'roll
Music for whatcha, for whichin', you call a band, man
Makin' a music, abuse it, but you can't do it, ya know
You call 'em demos, but we ride limos, too
Whatcha gonna do? Rap is not afraid of you
Beat is for Sonny Bono, beat is for Yoko Ono
Run-DMC first said a deejay could be a band
Stand on its feet, get you out your seat
Beat is for Eric B. and LL, as well, hell
Wax is for Anthrax, still it can rock bells
Ever forever, universal, it will sell
Time for me to exit, Terminator X-it

Chorus...

From coast to coast, so you stop being like a comatose
"Stand, my man? The beat's the same with a boost toast
Rock with some pizzazz, it will last. Why you ask?
Roll with the rock stars, still never get accepted as
We got to plead the Fifth, we can investigate
Don't need to wait, get the record straight
Hey, posse's in effect, got the Flavor Terminator
X to sign checks, play to get paid
We got to check it out down on the avenue
A magazine or two is dissing me and dissing you
Yeah, I'm telling you...

Did I miss the uplifting part???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:27
nvm as well

Edited by MHDTV - February 22 2008 at 19:28
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:26
nvm


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:20
Bring The Noise-Public Enemy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:19
Originally posted by MHDTV MHDTV wrote:

No Regrets-Aesop Rock: Following your dreams.

None Shall Pass-Aesop Rock: Social justice.

Save Yourself-Aesop Rock: This isn't socially uplifting, but you should heed this line: Shut the f**k and recognize what you holding ain't really broken.

No Splash-Aesop Rock: One person's effect on the world.

9-5ers Anthem-Aesop Rock: About the overworked American work force.

There's 5 off the top of my head from one artist.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 19:08
No Regrets-Aesop Rock: Following your dreams.

None Shall Pass-Aesop Rock: Social justice.

Save Yourself-Aesop Rock: This isn't socially uplifting, but you should heed this line: Shut the f**k and recognize what you holding ain't really broken.

No Splash-Aesop Rock: One person's effect on the world.

9-5ers Anthem-Aesop Rock: About the overworked American work force.

There's 5 off the top of my head from one artist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 18:56
Name me 5 of these uplifting songs by artist and their main themes please...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 18:55
Originally posted by Cylli Kat Cylli Kat wrote:

I will be the first to admit that I'm closed minded on this issue.

Please don’t try to sway me about the “merits” of rap/hip-hop,

I am beyond being able to even give this a fair hearing…

 

Angry

I hate that rap is being used to convince those in the lowest socioeconomic groups that they too can be "gangsta n*gg*s", with all of the bling and ho's and money and dope that they'd ever want. The reality is that even the “big” (c)rap stars (with perhaps the exception of Diddy and Jay-Z), are STILL in the lower income bracket, (c)rappin' about what they WISHED were true about their real lives.

I hate that (c)rap is leading so many down a path to violence, drug abuse, and the devaluation of human life, the end of which will most likely be a violent death for those who believe in and try to live this "urban fairy tale". Sad indeed...

To quote Sinajuavi from http://www.topix.net/forum/afam/TN6ODO7CNDDNQNMSA/p3
"It is the consciousness generally which has to change. If the youth are idolizing people who glorify misogyny and violence, then that's what will sell, and corporations will encourage it. It's a circular thing...people demand what they want, and corporations encourage them to want negative stuff..."

I hate how the (c)rappers are whining about the "negative stereotypes" surrounding their "craft".
What a joke!!! Tell me, what was the last socially uplifting hip-hop/rap song you've heard? Didja ever notice that you never hear the "rap" about going to church, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, caring about human rights, eating your vegetables, doing the right thing even when it may hurt, etc.??? Why not?!?!? Because (C)rap "music" is a fraud, that makes money for all the wrong people and encourages all the wrong behaviors, and is creating more urban blight than it has ever addressed or contributed to helping. I  HATE (C)RAP/HIP-HOP AND THE BOGUS LIFESTYLE THAT IT SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENTS!!!Angry

I hate that the (c)rappers and hip-hoppers are bemoaning the "stereotypes' they've perpetuated and brought on themselves. Be real; they've EARNED all of the negative stereotypes!!!

 

Sorry about my level of vitriol, but I absolutely detest this garbage and all that it represents.

(BTW: this post was an edit of another series of posts that I contributed to another site.)



But this has little to do with the quality of the music itself



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 18:54
There are tons of socially uplifting Rap songs. Just like there are tons of misogynistic Rock and Blues songs. Misogyny isn't limited by genre. Rap may have earned a lot of it's negative stereotypes, but that doesn't mean that all Rap is that way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2008 at 18:50

I will be the first to admit that I'm closed minded on this issue.

Please don’t try to sway me about the “merits” of rap/hip-hop,

I am beyond being able to even give this a fair hearing…

 

Angry

I hate that rap is being used to convince those in the lowest socioeconomic groups that they too can be "gangsta n*gg*s", with all of the bling and ho's and money and dope that they'd ever want. The reality is that even the “big” (c)rap stars (with perhaps the exception of Diddy and Jay-Z), are STILL in the lower income bracket, (c)rappin' about what they WISHED were true about their real lives.

I hate that (c)rap is leading so many down a path to violence, drug abuse, and the devaluation of human life, the end of which will most likely be a violent death for those who believe in and try to live this "urban fairy tale". Sad indeed...

To quote Sinajuavi from http://www.topix.net/forum/afam/TN6ODO7CNDDNQNMSA/p3
"It is the consciousness generally which has to change. If the youth are idolizing people who glorify misogyny and violence, then that's what will sell, and corporations will encourage it. It's a circular thing...people demand what they want, and corporations encourage them to want negative stuff..."

I hate how the (c)rappers are whining about the "negative stereotypes" surrounding their "craft".
What a joke!!! Tell me, what was the last socially uplifting hip-hop/rap song you've heard? Didja ever notice that you never hear the "rap" about going to church, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, caring about human rights, eating your vegetables, doing the right thing even when it may hurt, etc.??? Why not?!?!? Because (C)rap "music" is a fraud, that makes money for all the wrong people and encourages all the wrong behaviors, and is creating more urban blight than it has ever addressed or contributed to helping. I  HATE (C)RAP/HIP-HOP AND THE BOGUS LIFESTYLE THAT IT SUPPOSEDLY REPRESENTS!!!Angry

I hate that the (c)rappers and hip-hoppers are bemoaning the "stereotypes' they've perpetuated and brought on themselves. Be real; they've EARNED all of the negative stereotypes!!!

 

Sorry about my level of vitriol, but I absolutely detest this garbage and all that it represents.

(BTW: this post was an edit of another series of posts that I contributed to another site.)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:49
Mezzanine is by Massive Attack right? I should keep an eye out for that one as well


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:47
Massive Attack is great as well. MF Doom's solo work never really seemed all that great to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2008 at 21:11

Check out anything MF Doom or Madlib related, especially Quasimoto and Madvillainy. Awesome stuff. Edan is also awesome, psychedelic rap.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2008 at 17:44
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Now your target is Post Rock, wish you luck, because Post Rockers havemn't started to tal yet.

I'm not even going to try talking about that. After reading all his posts on this thread I won't even bother to convince him otherwise.



Now to Hip-hop

Keeping the same late 80's / early 90's  vibe,  Check out  A Tribe Called Quest's The Low End Theory and Midnight Marauders. Both albums are highly recommended. Great lyrics, flow and groove.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2008 at 13:47
Yeah I would say Eric B and Rakim are my second favorite to Public Enemy.
I also really like De La Soul's Three Feet High and Rising, very creative and no macho stuff if you don't like that sort of thing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2008 at 13:36
Boogie Down Productions' first album is great if you can handle the poor production. Eric B and Rakim's Paid in Full is classic.  The Greatest Entertainer by Grandmaster Flash is cool.  Paul's Boutique by the Beastie Boys in recommended.  I have too many to list that have great grooves.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 20 2008 at 13:25
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Originally posted by heyitsthatguy heyitsthatguy wrote:

SO LET'S TALK HIP HOP peopleThe only rapper I consistently listen to is Saul Williams though I somewhat like Outkast (even if they are a tad cliche in the genre)any recommendations? I've been meaning to try Public Enemy for a little while


Check out Public Enemy's It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back, to use a tired old cliche "it's the Sgt Peppers of rap" only more agressive.
Its one of the few albums in any genre that I never get tired of.
 
I own this album but I really couldn't find anything so interesting about it. To better check the beginning of this genre, check Eric&Rakim's album, it has a couple songs with great groove and rhythm... Though I guess they also founded the "I have lots of money"-style that I dislike in rap music....
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