The most intriguing conspiracy theory

THAT was fascinating

goes into how MJ was killed and how Eminim will be discredited. Very nice series of videos

theorists believe Aug 8th 2012 will have a UFO land at olympics closing ceremony and it will cover up a real landing

they say the same thing happened in 1984

watch below but turn down sound as repeated dialogue is annoying

Being symetrical is not an issue - some are, some aren't - many of those that are are not perfectly symetrical. Generator noise is also not an issue - if the circles are found adjacent to farmhouses then I'd be interested, but most seem to be too far away from habitation for that to be an issue (modern farming tends to favour larger fields, even in England) ... reports always seem to say "in a remote location", the ones I have seen were certainly nowhere near farm (or any other) buildings.

 

I have to admit to never having seen a crop circle made in corn (what we call maize) growing 8 to 10 feet high - all those in England are in wheat (which we call corn), oats and barley since we don't grow much maize (that you call corn) and it's (as you say) too tall for line-of-sight mapping of anything too complex. Modern cultivated wheat is very short (18" - 24") bread that way to make it easier to harvest and less susceptible to storm damage, as you can see from this photograph of the famous crop circle used on Led Zepp's Remasters album cover (I think the three smaller figures are children and the person standing in the centre is an adult):

 

If you compare the actual site photograph with the album cover you will notice it's been heavily photoshoped to clean-up the ragged edges and some of the smaller perifery circles have been erased.

 

Looking at photographs of crop-circles in the USA - all the large complex formations are in wheat or barley - those in maize are much smaller and/or much simpler (no suprises there).

 

Still nothing about this says supernatural or extraterrestrial.

 

 

 

 

I can happily dismiss the alien hypothesis for the same simple reasons I gave earlier today on why we've not been visited by extraterrestrials - the distance between the stars is prohibitive for interstellar travel - they would not just need approaching light-speed velocities, they would need Star Trek warp speeds (for example warp 8 is 512 times light-speed) just to move around the local stellar neighbourhood and even then journey times would still be measured in years. But as I intimated in my camel through the eye of a needle analogy - even if warping space was possible, it would also warp the vessel travelling though it and its contents.

 

Also, given the number of reported and estimated abductions (we are talking in millions here) then we are not talking about a sight-seeing trip by some local neighbourhood alien gathering a few shells on the beach for a science project - those numbers (if true) are indicative of a full scale invasion by an apparently hostile race (ie hostile like the European pioneers and explorers were hostile to indigenous natives) - since that invasion force would be significantly more advanced than us (and I mean really significantly more advanced) the evidence they are leaving behind is remarkably amateurish for an operation that is otherwise "stealth" or "cloaked".

Really - you can tell by just looking at a photo that some were not made by hoaxers?

 

This one actually does have a conspiracy theory attached to it - some cereologists believe that the hoaxers are part of a Government conspiracy to cover up the alleged alien-made circles.

 

In my opinion this simply does not need an alien explanation - the hoaxers have owned up to some pretty complex patterns and explained how they made them, I've see a couple in real life and there is nothing supernatural about them, they are impressive, but so are lots of manmade artifacts. Mankind has been making geoglyphs for years using simple surveying tools such as sticks and string, why is it we in the 21st century with night vision glasses and GPS navigation and access to whole library of text books on geometric patterns are considered too dumb to make a few crop circles?

I think that it's possible that we have been visited. I think that  enough evidence (or signs) has been left to at least support the "possibility".

Cattle mutilations? No, that doesn't make sense at all. There's a better chance that these were done by some wacko satanic cult.

Crop circles? In my opinion, based on the photos I've seen, this one has a chance.

Then there's the cave drawings of men with fish bowls on their heads. This one also needs to be explained.

What is also interesting to me is the number of people around the world that are very serious about this subject. That number is high enough that it really can't just be explained as a passing fad.

But to stay on topic, if there is the possibility of having been visited, why is the government covering it up?

 

(This is all for fun. It's interesting to discuss from time to time but I don't even have a roll of tin foil in my kitchen)

 

Aside from the problem of getting here there is the problem of knowing which star with planets to chose to visit. Aliens will have the same problems we have in looking for and detecting life on other planets - because of the distances involved they will not be able to hop from solar system to solar system looking for signs of life. The best chance they have is the one we use - listening for radio waves that cannot have been made naturally - and to detect us using that method means they have to be within a radius of 50 light years of us (assuming that once they detected our signal they launched a light-speed vessel to visit us) - that's a total of 133 star systems - with such a small number the probability of intelligent extraterrestrial life living on one of them is ridiculously small. That is assuming they have light-speed capability, which is also highly improbable - if we are more realistic and assume they have sub-light-speed capability then the number of stars that could have planets that could have intelligent life that detected our radio waves and then launched a sub-light-speed vessel in our direction drops dramatically from 133 to zero. Seriously. It's zero. The closet star system is Alpha Centauri at 4.39 light years away - in "real" terms that's 25,806,614,165,900 miles - Apollo 10 reached a maximum speed of 24,790 mph - it would take it 118,789 years to reach Centauri - for a Centauri alien to have detected the first radio signal we ever transmitted, then jumped into a spaceship and got here in 96 years they would have to travel at 30 million miles an hour. I'm not saying that's impossible, but it is so highly improbable it's as good as impossible.

 

I'm going to put my neck out as say that faster than light speed travel for any object with mass is completely impossible. I can pass a camel through the eye of a needle - it's really easy - I just need a sharp set of butchers knives, an industrial strength blender and a hyperdermic syringe - putting the camel back together the other end is slightly harder - light-speed (eg wormhole or somesuch) travel would be much like that.

I was going to respond to this earlier but I decided to have dinner instead.

I have no idea where you got your information about Oswald's military background.

Oswald went through basic (very basic) training, then to Radar school. After completing that, he was sent to a permanent duty station where he was a Radar Operator. He served as an operator until he was released from service.

I don't know where you came up with "trained on moving targets like men in cars". No one gets specialized training like that (especially in the late fifties) except elite special forces or snipers and he was definitely not one of those.

The fact that he practiced (on his own) rapidly working the bolt only shows how little he knew about rifles. You see, bolt action rifles have not been used to train troops since before WWII. So not only did he have nothing more than basic rifle marksmanship in the military, he had no training at all with a bolt action.

Ballistics and types of wounds have nothing at all to do with this. What part do they play?

I have already stated that it is very possible that one bullet could have passed through Kennedy and then through Connally's arm and then into his chest. But, one bullet could not have passed through Kennedy and then through Connally's arm and into his chest  and then into his thigh. How could that have happened?

No, the evidence does not tell us how many shooters there were. But I think it clearly tells us that Oswald did not act alone.

I don't think I said that I "buy the Report" because it is all crap. I did not say that I bought the "only three shots were possible" scenario. I said that there was no way that four shots were "likely" (your words).