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Topic: is Dire Straits prog-related? Posted: October 26 2011 at 15:34
Oh man, I had forgotten about Walk of Life. Though really, I give Knopfler a pass on those fails. He's not the first nor last to have recorded various piles of sh*t. I submit Jeff Beck's Truth as evidence. We just will not mention (well actually we will) Beck Bogart and Appice.
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Posted: October 26 2011 at 07:40
Jim Garten wrote:
uduwudu wrote:
If Straits got in to being a prog band (obviously not) Twisting By The Pool wouldn then become the worst / most hated (and that's just me and me being nice) prog song of all time...
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Posted: October 26 2011 at 07:28
uduwudu wrote:
If Straits got in to being a prog band (obviously not) Twisting By The Pool wouldn then become the worst / most hated (and that's just me and me being nice) prog song of all time...
Always thought Telegraph Road was the song Bruce Springsteen had always wanted to write. I this vein one would have to include Hurricane by Bob Dylan. Private Investigations' guitar theme was a nick from something I heard but cannot recall (years and years ago...)
If Straits got in to being a prog band (obviously not) Twisting By The Pool wouldn then become the worst / most hated (and that's just me and me being nice) prog song of all time...
A good way of figuring the answer is which Genesis albums would a Dire Straits fan own...
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 22:52
Epignosis wrote:
To me, the closest they got to prog was not "Telegraph Road," but "Love Over Gold."
I like Telegraph Road well enough, but it always struck me as a sort of too influenced by Springsteen somehow. For me, Industrial Disease is the best song on that album; though it's decidedly not prog, it's funny as it gets.
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 22:38
I know what my problem is w/r/t Dire Straits/Knopfler is, and why I think they are on occasion proggy. What did Knopfler do when DS disbanded? He started writing movie soundtracks. What are movie soundtracks? The cinema is visual. The soundtrack provides atmosphere, suspense, release, and even context to the visuals. This is often very simple or very complex music, given that it must aurally convey what is happening visually. Knopfler has always strived for that (i.e., why else would you name an album Making Movies?) and if nothing else it is often almost orchestral. It's just beautiful music and I associate beautiful, thoughtfully composed rock music with prog. I'd be the last to argue that Money For Nothing is prog. I'd be the first to argue that something like Brothers In Arms (song) is prog. As said, it doesn't hurt that he's to this day probably the finest rock guitarist on the planet, which sort of skews one's point of view.
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I disagree with a number of artists whom have been added in Crossover; my opinion is that these acts should be in prog-related. That said, as much as I love Dire Straits, they are not prog, nor prog-related, in my opinion. Damn good though.
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 22:08
awaken77 wrote:
Matti wrote:
But we just can't include any good music we like.
Tori Amos, Bjork are more 'MTV-related' than DS, why they are all here?
There was a kind joke reference about Police and prog, but Andy Summers from Police collaborated with Soft Machine,Ayers,Fripp and he isn't here so it seems the collaborator's taste is only criteria for inclusion, in questionable cases
My persaonal opinion is that neither Tori Amos or Bjork should be here (Maybe I'm wrong), but I respect the teams work...If this is a mistake, doesn't justify another mistake.
As I said before, if somebody punches you and leaves a purple eye, you don¿t hit your other eye to make it even....Even if Bjork and Tori Amos weren't Prog, their additions doesn't justify the addition of another non-Prog artist.
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 21:20
The problem with Dire Straits is that they were on the one hand an MTV band, and nearly everyone who has heard music in the last sheesh is it thirty years now, knows Money For Nothing, which is about as overplayed as Stairway To Heaven or Freebird to the point I really don't care if I never hear it again, except there is that riff...
And then there was Twisting By The Pool and who knows what else on the MTV, which does not help with the general perception.
As previously said, I'm done beating my head against that wall. What I will say is that Mark Knopfler is probably the best guitar player out there, save maybe Jeff Beck. Those two are just in a class by themselves, I don't care what Rolling Stone or anyone else sez.
Someone else posted this before, but here's a YouTube video of Knopfler (song is Brothers in Arms). Frankly, one does not hear music this powerful very often. I don't know if it's prog or not. I would say it is. Others will disagree. But please lie back and enjoy it. If it's MTV, bring more of that stuff on.
http://youtu.be/5vUDmFjWgVo
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 11:02
awaken77 wrote:
aginor wrote:
i would say that the 8 albums Elton have from 69 to 77 (or 10 albums) are between symphonic rock, crossover art rock, and related to prog or eclectic rock with glimps of prog, but some is also country, glam rock and ballads. IMO but the 20 or so albums after that is not prog but searching for himself (again) albums.
I agree that early Elthon John albums (Madman across the water especially), has strong 'symphonic' feel
i actualy see a paralell between Elton and his old bandmates in Simon Dupree and the Big Sound (later known as GG) in the way they utilised blues as a core to the music but also moved in different directions as well.
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 09:50
aginor wrote:
i would say that the 8 albums Elton have from 69 to 77 (or 10 albums) are between symphonic rock, crossover art rock, and related to prog or eclectic rock with glimps of prog, but some is also country, glam rock and ballads. IMO but the 20 or so albums after that is not prog but searching for himself (again) albums.
I agree that early Elthon John albums (Madman across the water especially), has strong 'symphonic' feel
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 06:36
i would say that the 8 albums Elton have from 69 to 77 (or 10 albums) are between symphonic rock, crossover art rock, and related to prog or eclectic rock with glimps of prog, but some is also country, glam rock and ballads. IMO but the 20 or so albums after that is not prog but searching for himself (again) albums.
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